5-13 vs the Cards
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The offense wasn't that good again today either. Not surprised a likely .500 team is finding their level again.
Chang's injury really hurt a lot, they just have nothing to put out there for good SS play
With all of the above, this is not a team that can afford letting other teams steal games from them so easily. You had a chance to win a game with almost no offense and just were not ready to manage that 9th inning aggressively. Martin REALLY should have been in after 3-4 batters.
Chang's injury really hurt a lot, they just have nothing to put out there for good SS play
With all of the above, this is not a team that can afford letting other teams steal games from them so easily. You had a chance to win a game with almost no offense and just were not ready to manage that 9th inning aggressively. Martin REALLY should have been in after 3-4 batters.
Turned it off after the top of the 8th.
Assumed it would be a clean win. I was wrong.
Core has always sucked. Not sure why anyone is surprised.
Assumed it would be a clean win. I was wrong.
Core has always sucked. Not sure why anyone is surprised.
Idk, they're entitled to their opinions. It was actually 8 days ago I said it...
So the Cardinals recognize Kenley's timing and stepping in at a time where he can't establish his normal routine. The violations were that he came set too quickly.
Lots of guys misplay balls when they get close to that wall. It was lucky but not all that surprising.
It's bullshit. Kenley was set with 9 seconds on the clock. He didn't throw the ball. He just came set. How the hell is that violation.
Kenley started the inning exactly the same (4 balls way missed inside last night) and Cora did not react.
I don't know, I wouldn't put this on Jansen.
I think it's good of Jansen to be ready and want to go. And, when it comes right down to it, he actually got the double play. . .which Hernandez botched.
More importantly, I think Cora is unable to say "no" to his players. Just tell Jansen "no" - give him the day off. Make sure he's ready to go for the next save. Because Jansen can't do back to back to back - someone else has to get a save now and then. It might as well be the game after your regular closer has a breakdown.
I think it's good of Jansen to be ready and want to go. And, when it comes right down to it, he actually got the double play. . .which Hernandez botched.
More importantly, I think Cora is unable to say "no" to his players. Just tell Jansen "no" - give him the day off. Make sure he's ready to go for the next save. Because Jansen can't do back to back to back - someone else has to get a save now and then. It might as well be the game after your regular closer has a breakdown.
Watching again. Ump seemed to be really looking to call violations. Still doesn't change Jansen had absolutely nothing. Hey guys, at least this is only a regular season game. <ducks>
Should have been pulled the moment Arenado popped up. Instead he lets him in to face the same guy who homered off him last night.
Maybe the ump was looking for quick pitch violations because the Cardinals sent in tape or said something that Jansen has been doing it.
All this blaming Cora on the Jansen blow-up seems as though it would have made more sense if more Soshers had lamented the choice before the inning began. I am so glad that I know that watching that would have been bad for my health. I still haven't watched it, but I have read Gameday.
Stuff? Psychicness? The way Martin pounds the zone with precision & stuff is just better than what Jansen offers at this point, regardless of small sample size results.
Idk. I definitely didn't expect Jansen to blow up this hard. Pitching him the day after what happened yesterday is awful, though. Give him a day off.
People wanna dump Cora? The guy who won a WS and got the team two wins from the pennant two years ago?
He could have had Kenley do the Rodney Dangerfield “Ow, my arm” routine.
The guy who was also suspended for a year and finished in last place.
When you pay a guy $16M per, he’s gonna close. If he was available today, he’s getting the 9th. Now maybe he shouldn’t have been available, but if he was, I’m not really sure what we are arguing about.
he goes 6. cora is going to be talked to about his bullpen use after this game. we'll see schreiber do what he does and martin will get the save.
Ok? We can see what the results are at the end of the season & if Martin had a better season than Jansen, we can say it was a lucky guess & if Jansen's stats are better, we can say I'm dumb & wrong
I don't remember anyone in the game thread thinking it was okay for Jansen to come into the game.
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yeah I’m seeing now it’s the quick pitch issue
still a very odd situation that feels like overzealous umping
He's the closer, and I'm fine with that. But this is where the whole "players' manager" thing gets in the way. Logically, Cora talked to Jansen before the game, and he said he wanted the ball. But after how bad he was last night and how well Sale pitched, Cora could overrule and use another, likely less risky, option.
That’s 20-20 hindsight. If he goes 1-2-3 and fights the ship, no one is complaining. But the result is the problem.
But is Martin or Schreiber less risky, just because Jansen blew the save last night? That seems hard to prove.
It does seem odd that Cora let Sale go 8 and throw 110 pitches….yet turn the 9th to the guy who pitched yesterday when Martin and Schreiber didn’t.
I'm hoping our lead will be sufficient that he won't be needed, but if needed he won't be used since he's been used two days in a row in which he's thrown a number of pitches.