House said it.I don't have sound on---whoever said "you can't play any better defense" doesn't know a lot about defense.
House said it.I don't have sound on---whoever said "you can't play any better defense" doesn't know a lot about defense.
Yup. For a team that as supremely talented as they are and who win 80% of their games by double digits, can so routinely lose OT and close games. And have done so for two years.The game is ultimately meaningless but unfortunately it reveals that the Celtics for all their tremendous stats and accomplishments and whatever else this season still completely suck at close and late situations.
I had to work late and only caught the final seven minutes or so. Not sure Murray missed more than once when I was watching.I had no idea Murray missed so many shots. Seemed like every shot contested by KP went in. D looked lackluster.
I think I saw that makes them 2-4 in OT games. Not good. (for the best team in the league)Yup. For a team that as supremely talented as they are and who win 80% of their games by double digits, can so routinely lose OT and close games. And have done so for two years.
But as I was told last year, nothing to worry about.
28-11 2nd chance points killed themI honestly don’t know what to say here.
@benhogan @Deathofthebambino did either of you watch this game?
I look at the box score and no one played that bad? I will always rage against Tatum end of game ISOs but his stat line looks decent
I thought off his hands this one was banking in. Like that horrendous shot in the bubble against the Bucks.One of Tatum's really tough ISOs will go in in the playoffs and everyone's heads will explode.
KP looks a little rusty with all the extra rest (same with Jrue)He went 18 for 44? Maybe eye test he looked better.
If I am playing the Celtics in the playoffs, my strategy would be let KP beat me 100%. Especially from beyond the arc
And iirc they were 4-10 in OT games last year. Almost inexplicable for a team as good as they are.I think I saw that makes them 2-4 in OT games. Not good. (for the best team in the league)
Does he think Tatum needs to hear this or something? The fuck.Good look?
View: https://twitter.com/NoaDalzellNBA/status/1773536456142692471
Joe Mazzulla on Jayson Tatum’s last play in regulation: “Give JT the ball and have him make a play for us. He got a shot off — got a good look — but it didn’t go.” Said he took a different approach on the last shot in OT because the Celtics were trailing rather than tied
Also said he liked Jrue on Murray one on one at the end, didn't draw up a double.
Jrue also looked pretty normal, which is a good sign.KP looks a little rusty with all the extra rest (same with Jrue)
I was probably swayed by Murray's made shots in OT
the good news: They had White initiating on offense with the JAYs in horns which was effective in OT. More of that, please. The potted plant ISO from the top is a relic of the past
Yeah, games that we'll see a lot of in the playoffs.The game is ultimately meaningless but unfortunately it reveals that the Celtics for all their tremendous stats and accomplishments and whatever else this season still completely suck at close and late situations.
They actually played well close and late today, absent that 1 Tatum shot to end regulation. They scored on 5 of their last 6 possessions to end regulation after going behind by 4 with 4 minutes left and 4/7 in overtime not counting the .1 second possession. Unless you think that for some reason the defensive rebounding was bad because it was close and late then I'd actually be encouraged by their play in the last 10 or so minutes of the game.The game is ultimately meaningless but unfortunately it reveals that the Celtics for all their tremendous stats and accomplishments and whatever else this season still completely suck at close and late situations.
They need to get used to getting roughed up and not getting the whistle. They’re not going to be able to play the beautiful game in the playoffs. Much better to get these reps now.It sucks losing but I think the Celtics benefit more from the last 2 games, than 20pt blowout wins
This post? Because it's hard to figure out what it would be otherwise.. a loss when you have clinched the EC and have a 6 game lead on the WC leader with 9 games to go? WGAF?Embarrassing
YEah.. they've only won 65% or so of the games that are close and late. But sure... this is the exact same team as last year, too.Yup. For a team that as supremely talented as they are and who win 80% of their games by double digits, can so routinely lose OT and close games. And have done so for two years.
But as I was told last year, nothing to worry about.
I guess it's better to be Milwaukee? Who hasn't clinched anything and was up early and then was never close late to lose to the Pelicans?Celtics lose another close one
you don’t say.
You tell me, man. Last time I went and thought about it and wrote things out at length, and all I got out of you or anyone was a shrug.Okay so now is THIS the worst loss of the season @InstaFace?
Sorry I don't enjoy watching them lose close games to bad teamsThis post? Because it's hard to figure out what it would be otherwise.. a loss when you have clinched the EC and have a 6 game lead on the WC leader with 9 games to go? WGAF?
OK.. but what part of that is embarrassing? Because that's what you said. They lost on a shot with .1 seconds left in a meaningless game where they were up even though they didn't play their best game... a game that really didn't matter at all at the end of the day. And they lost by one. HTF is that embarrassing?Sorry I don't enjoy watching them lose close games to bad teams.
Well, that’s somewhat encouraging, I guess, because otherwise it looked like total incompetence.FWIW, Joe said they intentionally had KP switching onto Murray on the perimeter in OT to get KP some reps switching 1-5. It’s frustrating to watch them lose and to watch the Hawks act like they actually won something, but Joe’s running scrimmages and we have to live with it for three more weeks.
Unsurprising then - remember his defense?House said it.
Doesn't it stand to reason that if a game gets to OT, then luck/variance kicks in and it's more of a crapshoot? Something like one-run games in baseball.And iirc they were 4-10 in OT games last year. Almost inexplicable for a team as good as they are.
LarsYEah.. they've only won 65% or so of the games that are close and late. But sure... this is the exact same team as last year, too.
Edit: also.. look up the word routinely, because as far as I can tell you don't know what it means... unless I guess you exclude every game they win between the games they lose?
Hahahaha, fair enough.You tell me, man. Last time I went and thought about it and wrote things out at length, and all I got out of you or anyone was a shrug.
So I think I'm just on to NOLA.
Most of these OT games seem to have been leads they have blown late, and we all know how sports momentum works.Lars
My focus was on the OT over the past 2 years and not the crunch time nail biters or games which ended up 1 possession games but were really not closely contested. It would for example exclude the recent losses to the Hawks (the first game this week in Atl) and the Cavs 1 point loss. OT games pretty clearly define themselves as close and late.
In any case,
in 2022-23 the Celts were 4-8 in OT games for a winning % 33.3
in 2023-24 the Celts are 2-4 in OT games for a winning % of 33.3
two year total 6-12 33.3%
Or it could be SSS, and just bad luck.
There appears to be a consistency here, one that I find both puzzling and troubling. And one that I certainly hope does not become routine.
I posed this question last year, when I believe was the first to notice and discuss this anomaly.
Since that time others seem to have grasped the point.
and some haven't.
How does an elite NBA team that blows away most teams and win 75-80% of their games lose 2/3 of the OT games? I would suspect that most teams OT games are 50/50, but for some reason the Celts appear disadvantaged or do not play up to their abilities.
Last year I said it was a problem and unless corrected would hurt us in the post-season when tight games are the rule not the exception.
This year I haven't said much on the topic, but its still there.
I'm not going to revisit the 18 OT games, but yup losing late leads is not a good sign nor the hallmark of championship teams.Most of these OT games seem to have been leads they have blown late, and we all know how sports momentum works.
this is more of a response than my post deserved, and I’ll read it more fully later.Lars
My focus was on the OT over the past 2 years and not the crunch time nail biters or games which ended up 1 possession games but were really not closely contested. It would for example exclude the recent losses to the Hawks (the first game this week in Atl) and the Cavs 1 point loss. OT games pretty clearly define themselves as close and late.
In any case,
in 2022-23 the Celts were 4-8 in OT games for a winning % 33.3
in 2023-24 the Celts are 2-4 in OT games for a winning % of 33.3
two year total 6-12 33.3%
Or it could be SSS, and just bad luck.
There appears to be a consistency here, one that I find both puzzling and troubling. And one that I certainly hope does not become routine.
I posed this question last year, when I believe was the first to notice and discuss this anomaly.
Since that time others seem to have grasped the point.
and some haven't.
How does an elite NBA team that blows away most teams and win 75-80% of their games lose 2/3 of the OT games? I would suspect that most teams OT games are 50/50, but for some reason the Celts appear disadvantaged or do not play up to their abilities.
Last year I said it was a problem and unless corrected would hurt us in the post-season when tight games are the rule not the exception.
This year I haven't said much on the topic, but its still there.