23-24 Bruins Season Thread

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IMHO, the biggest impact of this deadline, besides the competition getting better, is what the proposed trade to LA does to Ullmark’s psyche. He’s already a whack job simply by virtue of being a goalie, but there have been multiple indications that comfort and security play a (substantial???) role in his performance.
I hear you. But he is smart enough to know that he and Swayman couldn’t coexist once Sway got paid. More jarring at the deadline than the summer, sure, but he knew this day would come. And as to his psyche, which wasn’t that awesome in last year’s playoffs, well, unless he is relieving Swayman in which case the Bruins are in trouble anyway, it should be less of an issue from the bench. He had a good run and hope he can play well in the last 7-8 games he will start this regular season.
 

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Sweeney had exhausted his draft assets and had zero cap space to work with. The prospect cupboard was also bare; the team understandably really likes what Poitras brings to the table, and he would have been undervalued at this deadline anyway due to his injury. Ullmark had the partial NTC. So I don't hate the outcome. I would have preferred a trade of DeBrusk or Gryz if only because both are gone this offseason, but they could both be useful if the team makes a run in May.
 

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I don't get the Peeke deal at all. For a team with no draft capital, it doesn't seem prudent to use more of it to fill a need that wasn't really there (RHD). Maroon doesn't matter at all. Here's hoping his recent surgery didn't include removing the playoff horseshoe from his rectum.
 

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Not sure. They have a bit more cap flexibility now, part of the reason he's been down there is they couldn't fit in his salary if they wanted to call him up. His salary is $925,000 and for the last little while they've only had ~$800,000 in cap space at any given time. That's led to the juggling of guys making $775,000, Brazeau, Richard, McLaughlin. With Forbort on LTIR they have more flexibility to call guys up. However, there are limits and they can only regular recall 4 players between now and the end of Providence's season.

That said, Boqvist has settled into the 4C role and has performed better than Beecher did so I don't see an immediate need for Beecher. I think Brazeau will stay for a little longer and then we'll see if they want to shuffle things.
That makes perfect sense. It was never just someone playing better, there were cap implications involved and I did not think of that.
 

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Forbort being gone is addition by subtraction. I'd rather see Wotherspoon get his minutes.

As others have said the Maroon trade is whatever, but technically he fits a need when healthy.

The Peeke trade makes absolutely zero sense, he's a 7th defenseman making too much money that you gave up an actual pick for. Like WTF. Bring up Mitchell for that spot and keep the pick. Just mind boggling.

Glad they didn't deal Ullmark. Especially if LPD was the return. Strength of this team is that tandem. I know obviously Ully will be dealt, but I'd rather it be in the off-season personally.
 

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“The Peeke trade makes absolutely zero sense, he's a 7th defenseman making too much money that you gave up an actual pick for. Like WTF. Bring up Mitchell for that spot and keep the pick. Just mind boggling.”

Fast forward yourself to when Gryz and Wotherspoon or Mitchell are getting pushed around and/or injured in the playoffs and the collective whining about lack of tough defensemen that can handle Florida or TB or Carolina’s cheap, dirty and tough forwards begins. Both trades today address what is a playofff weakness that has little to do with talent. Peeke is no pmd, but maybe some stay at home size is what is needed to prevent repeating the past. And maybe their hockey people see something teachable. I’d bet on the Bruins development of defensemen over that of CBJ.
 

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“The Peeke trade makes absolutely zero sense, he's a 7th defenseman making too much money that you gave up an actual pick for. Like WTF. Bring up Mitchell for that spot and keep the pick. Just mind boggling.”

Fast forward yourself to when Gryz and Wotherspoon or Mitchell are getting pushed around and/or injured in the playoffs and the collective whining about lack of tough defensemen that can handle Florida or TB or Carolina’s cheap, dirty and tough forwards begins. Both trades today address what is a playofff weakness that has little to do with talent. Peeke is no pmd, but maybe some stay at home size is what is needed to prevent repeating the past. And maybe their hockey people see something teachable. I’d bet on the Bruins development of defensemen over that of CBJ.
If Peeke is getting meaningful minutes in the playoffs the Bruins are in trouble.
 

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If Mitchell is getting meaningful minutes in the playoffs the Bruins are in trouble.
You're making my point for me. The trade is pointless and a waste of an asset because they don't need him. Mitchell exists, and his metrics are better. If either of them are playing meaningful minutes they are in trouble. Difference is one of them isn't lighting almost 3 million on fire AND giving up a pick as well. The trade was dumb. That's the general consensus. There's no defending it.
 

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You're making my point for me. The trade is pointless and a waste of an asset because they don't need him. Mitchell exists, and his metrics are better. If either of them are playing meaningful minutes they are in trouble. Difference is one of them isn't lighting almost 3 million on fire AND giving up a pick as well. The trade was dumb. That's the general consensus. There's no defending it.
This is ridiculous. The only similarities between Mitchell and Peeke are that they’re right handed and the same age. Peeke is big, physical, blocks shots and kills penalties. Mitchell is small and offensive. Peeke’s been a full time NHL player for 2+ years averaging 20 minutes a night; over 3 of that short handed. Mitchell’s never stuck in the NHL and when he’s been in the NHL, plays less than 15 minutes.

Quibble with the value and contract, I’m not a huge fan, but it wasn’t “pointless.” They brought him in to fill a role and “just play Mitchell” isn’t a viable alternative. Let’s see Peeke actually play. They value the sturdy defensive D types. Thats why they signed and play Forbort, who is done. That’s what Peeke is. It’s been a bumpy year for him but there are things to like from prior years and it’s reasonable to think he’ll be more effective on a better team against lesser competition.
 

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This is ridiculous. The only similarities between Mitchell and Peeke are that they’re right handed and the same age. Peeke is big, physical, blocks shots and kills penalties. Mitchell is small and offensive. Peeke’s been a full time NHL player for 2+ years averaging 20 minutes a night; over 3 of that short handed. Mitchell’s never stuck in the NHL and when he’s been in the NHL, plays less than 15 minutes.

Quibble with the value and contract, I’m not a huge fan, but it wasn’t “pointless.” They brought him in to fill a role and “just play Mitchell” isn’t a viable alternative. Let’s see Peeke actually play. They value the sturdy defensive D types. Thats why they signed and play Forbort, who is done. That’s what Peeke is. It’s been a bumpy year for him but there are things to like from prior years and it’s reasonable to think he’ll be more effective on a better team against lesser competition.
I think I'm not being clear, or just not articulating my opinion well. I'm not saying Mitchell and Peeke are the same type of player at all. Obviously they aren't. Not even close. Exactly like you said. Just that they are both 7th defenseman on this roster and if either of them are getting major minutes in the playoffs there is a problem.

I think the trade was a waste of assets, I think it was a bad trade for a player who isn't good. I'm not alone in that take on this board, let alone the consensus on this trade from outside the board. Could I be wrong? Definitely. Valuing mediocre defenseman like Forbort isn't a good thing IMO. Obviously opinions vary, mine isn't more important than anyone else's.

I agree in giving the kid a chance to see if it was just Columbus and their structure and he can improve, Obviously he's young and the Bruins have a good defensive structure. I just don't like the trade and giving up assets for a player who isn't needed IMO. That's my biggest gripe.
 

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I know nothing of the player but I have observed the chronic weakness of the Bruins D-corps, dating back to Torey Krug and continuing up through the gentlemanly play of a couple larger D-Men like Lindholm and Carlo; eliminating net front opportunities by gaining position and exerting physical leverage in this critical area of the ice.

If Peeke has more muscle and willingness than some of our current group, that’s only a good thing. There may not have been many other options to improve in this area given their limited means/cap space.

Maybe he’ll have some useful net-front meanness in his game.
 

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I wondering the same: If they think they need a big, physical D presence in front of the net, especially with the difficulty protecting late leads and 6-on-5 situations, maybe they over reached on this type of player? In the playoffs, they are gonna have to shore up that glaring weakness. Maybe they have over-reacted to that perceived weakness?
 

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That makes perfect sense. It was never just someone playing better, there were cap implications involved and I did not think of that.
Nothing official from the Bruins but appears Beecher is back.

Coyle is under the weather and didn't skate this morning. Monty said Coyle would play tonight though. This could be insurance, though they need to make a corresponding move, like demoting Brazeau, to activate Beecher due to the cap.

View: https://twitter.com/MarkDivver/status/1767256483501052070?s=20
 

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I wondering the same: If they think they need a big, physical D presence in front of the net, especially with the difficulty protecting late leads and 6-on-5 situations, maybe they over reached on this type of player? In the playoffs, they are gonna have to shore up that glaring weakness. Maybe they have over-reacted to that perceived weakness?
Maybe there’s also a hope of fixing him? I know that Zacha had a better pedigree, but I also remember acquiring him generally having a bit of a, “Why are we picking up spare bits?” feel at first (not that Haula was any great shakes). My understanding is that he has played better here, even if not living up to his early career projections.
 

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Maybe there’s also a hope of fixing him? I know that Zacha had a better pedigree, but I also remember acquiring him generally having a bit of a, “Why are we picking up spare bits?” feel at first (not that Haula was any great shakes). My understanding is that he has played better here, even if not living up to his early career projections.
Yah, but he'll never score again.
 

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If Coyle is sick, why play him tonight? Keep him home so he doesn’t infect the rest of the team. Could be why Beecher is up.
 

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I mean it depends what he's sick with. It could be a migraine.
 

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Maybe there’s also a hope of fixing him? I know that Zacha had a better pedigree, but I also remember acquiring him generally having a bit of a, “Why are we picking up spare bits?” feel at first (not that Haula was any great shakes). My understanding is that he has played better here, even if not living up to his early career projections.
Yeah, it's clear they think they can work with Peeke. He's young-ish and has traits to dream on. Big, righty, supposedly skates well. CBJ is a shitshow in general but Peeke played better under the previous coach (Brad Larson) than the current coach (Pascal Vincent).

The issue is they paid a premium in terms of the acquisition cost and the contract they're assuming for a reclamation project.
 

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Yeah, it's clear they think they can work with Peeke. He's young-ish and has traits to dream on. Big, righty, supposedly skates well. CBJ is a shitshow in general but Peeke played better under the previous coach (Brad Larson) than the current coach (Pascal Vincent).

The issue is they paid a premium in terms of the acquisition cost and the contract they're assuming for a reclamation project.
Yeah, I totally get that. Just distinguishing between that motivation and a “Because, grit and size!” possibility. Not that it has to be one or the other.
 
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When it comes to the Bruins' 7th Player Award are there any agreed upon criteria? Is it a gut feeling, popularity contest or statistical outcomes? Who decides?
 
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Using the unsung approach, it would be between Morgan Geekie and Danton Heinen were I voting. If I were betting however my money would be on Charlie Coyle. A local boy having a career season just feels right.
 

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It has to be Heinen or Boqvist.

Heinen came to camp without a contract, and he played his way into the top 6 on a team with a top 5 in the league record.

Boqvist I think was a minor league deal? And ended up locking down the fourth line center spot.

Definitely above and beyond expectations.

But you’re right, it’s fan voting so they’ll probably give it to Coyle. He’s having a great year but they were expecting him to fill that top line center spot. Not really the spirit of the award.
 

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I mean let's not overthink this, it's Heinen and it's not particularly close. Going from a PTO/unsigned to a top 6 forward with 25 points is way beyond everyone's expectations.
 

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The backup goalie should always be in the running, right?

I mean let's not overthink this, it's Heinen and it's not particularly close. Going from a PTO/unsigned to a top 6 forward with 25 points is way beyond everyone's expectations.
I agree.
 

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I mean let's not overthink this, it's Heinen and it's not particularly close. Going from a PTO/unsigned to a top 6 forward with 25 points is way beyond everyone's expectations.
Yeah, no brainer. Can't believe I didn't think of him originally.
 
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Watching Beecher, Boqvist, Brazeau, Wotherspoon and Peeke skate as a unit Saturday drove home the realization as to how much of a transition this team has made from last year's record-setting regular season squad. That they are in the fight for the top spot in the east makes it all the more amazing. It's easy to bemoan the supposed empty larder, lack of draft choices and minor moves at the trade deadline but the train keeps moving down the track.
 

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Yeah, no brainer. Can't believe I didn't think of him originally.
Heinen is more come back player of year candidate as he had a nearly identical statistical season just 2yrs ago with PIT and is still a ways off his career highs set with Boston back in 2017-18. Geekie is going to double his career high in G and has doubled his career high in hits. Heinen is a great story but I think what we are seeing from him is a nice bounce back but not out of the relm of possiblity. Geekie has shattered his career high 9G with 16 thus far this year. I think you can make a case for either but I'm in the camp that Geekie's breakout has been more impressive given he is doing something he has never done before.
 

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Heinen is more come back player of year candidate as he had a nearly identical statistical season just 2yrs ago with PIT and is still a ways off his career highs set with Boston back in 2017-18. Geekie is going to double his career high in G and has doubled his career high in hits. Heinen is a great story but I think what we are seeing from him is a nice bounce back but not out of the relm of possiblity. Geekie has shattered his career high 9G with 16 thus far this year. I think you can make a case for either but I'm in the camp that Geekie's breakout has been more impressive given he is doing something he has never done before.
I think Geekie is playing about to expectation. He's actually producing less than he did a year ago, 2.11 points per 60 at all strengths to 2.33 last year. The difference is he's getting 5 minutes more time on ice this year than last, hence the huge boost in the counting stats.

Geekie also got a 2-year, $2 million contract. That comes with some expectations. To me, 7th player is the player who most exceeds expectations. Heinen got a late summer PTO and has turned into an every day contributor. There was no expectation that he was going to be on the team let alone appear in 70+ games. I'd lean Heinen on 7th player, and also would have Wotherspoon up there as he was supposed to be AHL depth and is going to end up playing in roughly half the NHL games and earned a contract extension.
 

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Brazeau has been a nice find. Didn't enter the year with an NHL contract. Spent part of last season in the ECHL. Earned one and is now contributing at the NHL level. 13 games, 53% xGF% with 4th line minutes and 36% o zone starts. Big, can get to the net and has good enough hands to finish. 3 goals (and a 4th that was waived off) all from around the crease. Might lose time when Maroon is ready, I think the footspeed of both means they can't play on a line together. I'm assuming Monty defers to the veteran and Maroon brings more snarl than Brazeau. Either way, looks like they have a useful player on a league minimum contract in Brazeau.

Also, good start for Peeke. Only 3 games so don't want to get too carried away but at 5x5:

Attempts: 45-42 Boston
Shots: 17-17
Scoring Chances: 20-16 Boston
High Danger Chances: 11-6 Boston
Goals: 4-1 Boston
xG: 2.41-1.21 (67%)
50% Ozone start
 

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I really like Brazeau. He looks kind of goofy out there because he's so big and any time he has to change direction it's a whole process, but he knows where to get to on the ice and always seems to put the puck into dangerous areas.
 

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Brazeau has much better hands around the net than I'd expect for someone with his profile. Footspeed is certainly an issue but he could be an asset as a PP2 specialist net front presence and 4th liner for very low cost for a couple seasons. Certainly doesn't seem to hurt the team when he is out there.
 

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I went to the Flyers game and he made a play in the third where he was regrouping with the puck and had a guy on his hip. He was going left to right with the puck on his backhand with a d-man behind him and he was able to drag the forechecker out of position then drop it back to the dman using his forehand. It doesn't sound impressive and I'm probably doing a crap job explaining but it was a surprisingly silky move that allowed the passing lane to open up for the defenseman and get some ice.
 

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CBS Sports' NHL power rankings are out.

The Bruins are #1 in the NHL in points.

CBS Sports has them #8 in their power rankings.

LOL
They are tied for 7th in wins and 6th in goal differential so I don't think it is that egregious. They are in 1st courtesy of 15 loser points. They are the only team with more OTL than L and the next closest are two teams with 10 more L than OTL. Really bizarre season in that context.
 

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They are tied for 7th in wins and 6th in goal differential so I don't think it is that egregious. They are in 1st courtesy of 15 loser points. They are the only team with more OTL than L and the next closest are two teams with 10 more L than OTL. Really bizarre season in that context.
I mean, I could easily suggest they're in first because they don't lose games under normal NHL non-gimmick rules, which they will play under when it counts.

I don't think they're the best team in the league and I don't have any major quibble with the teams listed ahead of them, but I am tired of their league low regulation losses somehow being flipped as a negative.
 

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I mean, I could easily suggest they're in first because they don't lose games under normal NHL non-gimmick rules, which they will play under when it counts.

I don't think they're the best team in the league and I don't have any major quibble with the teams listed ahead of them, but I am tired of their league low regulation losses somehow being flipped as a negative.
Agree 100%. OTL are ties. Always have been. It’s the additional point for an overtime or shootout win that is fluky.
 

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CBS Sports' NHL power rankings are out.

The Bruins are #1 in the NHL in points.

CBS Sports has them #8 in their power rankings.

LOL
For a more objective rankings, Moneypuck has the Bruins at 13th. Their biggest advantage is their PDO (Shooting% + Save%), which I do think has a skill factor involved and isn't just pure luck. (Montgomery's system emphasizes shot quality over quantity, and the Bruins have two superb goaltenders.) But they're an average or maybe just underwater possession team, and slightly above average on special teams. In short, they're good, but not outstanding like last year.
 

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They're basically middle of the pack by most metrics. They are basically a 50/50 team in shots, changes, expected goals. Their strength is the goaltending and finishing. They have the 6th highest shooting percentage and 2nd best team save percentage in all situations.

I think it's safe to say that the goalie talent matches the results. High shooting percentages always give me pause for concern of regression but this is now the 3rd year in a row that a Monty team has had a high shooting percentage so maybe there is something to his offensive system with quality over quantity. He was in charge of the Blues offense under Berube in 21/22 when they shot 12% and lead the league and his 2 years in Boston the Bruins have shot 11%, near the top of the league (2nd and 6th right now).

All that said, you throw the analytics out of the window in 7-game series. They're meaningless.
 

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They can clinch a playoff spot with their next win right?
Not yet.

I think the magic number is 6 points won or lost by Washington. Washington is the first team out and they have 75 points with 14 games remaining. They can max out at 103 points.