2025 NBA Draft: The Maine Event

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I'm happy that the 2024 Draft is officially in the books, so we can begin talking about the way more exciting and promising 2025 NBA Draft!

This draft has got it all. The consensus #1 pick is a kid from Maine, Cooper Flagg who will enter college basketball as the most hyped player since Zion. He grew up idolizing Jayson Tatum, is a destroyer on defense, and has a smooth offensive game that promises to score at all three levels. He re-classified in high school so he is very young, and won't turn 18 until December, meaning when we first see him play for Duke he will only be 17 years old.

Flagg's competition though is fierce. Ace Bailey, a lanky forward headed to Rutgers, was his main competition for the #1 spot on the recruiting circuit, has drawn some comparisons to Tracy McGrady. He isn't nearly as polished as Flagg, but may have even more potential, especially as an offensive player. He is joined at Rutgers by Dylan Harper, the son of Ron Harper, who unsurprisingly, is a big, physical point guard,

Then there is the mystery box of Khaman Malauch, a 7'2" center headed to Duke. Malauch is originally from South Sudan, went to the NBA Africa Academy, and possesses incredible physical ability. Scouts have not seen nearly as much of him as the other recruits, so it could be a situation where he blows people away and outshines even Flagg at Duke--or he is a lot rawer than people expect and he tumbles down draft boards--it feels like anything is on the table.

We've also got another elite French prospect--combo guard Nolan Traore, as well as Spainard Hugo Gonzalez, who are believed to be the two best prospects coming out of Europe. There are also just a bunch of other fun players to keep an eye on--Connecticut's Liam McNeely who could thrive in Hurley's system, Baylor's VJ Edgecombe, who has a whiff of Anthony Edwards as an ultra-elite 6'5" guard, as does Texas guard Tre Johnson, and just for fun, let's keep an eye on 7'3" Aussie teenager Rocco Zikarsky, who earned a little playing time at 16 years old in the NBL.
 

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I've only heard a bit about the top guys, but the Celtics need to do whatever they can to draft Rocco. For....reasons...
 

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I don't know what led them to getting Bailey. Dylan Harper at least grew up in New Jersey and his older brother (Ron Harper Jr.) was a star at Rutgers.
 

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How is Rutgers getting such top end talent?
Dylan Harper has been around the Rutgers program ever since his brother went. He almost went to Duke, but the relationship between Pikes and the Harpers plus a good NIL package got it done.

As far as Ace Bailey, Brandon Knight has a close relationship to Bailey's AAU coaches plus he got paid obviously.
 

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Other guys to watch for this draft
VJ Edgecomb W-Baylor
Tre Johnson G-Texas
Liam McNeeley W-UConn
Isaiah Evans W-Duke
Elliott Cadeau G-UNC
Alex Karaban W-UConn
Mackenzie Mgbako F-Indiana
Adding a few names from this and @Kliq's post
Egor Demin, SG/SF, BYU
Drake Powell, SG/SF, UNC
Jalil Bethea, SG, Miami
Carter Bryant, SF/PF, Arizona
Donavan Freeman, PF, Syracuse
Kon Knueppel, SG/SF, Duke
Michael Ruzic, PF, Spain
Noa Essengue, PF, Germany

Duke has 6 players rated in Jonathan Givony's top 45 right now, and that doesn't include Isaiah Evans who Red mentioned above,
Cooper Flagg
Khaman Maluach
Kneuppel
Tyrese Proctor
Caleb Foster
Sion James (transfer from Tulane)

College Teams to watch for Draftniks (other than Duke and Rutgers):
UConn
Arizona
UNC
BYU

This draft is A LOT better than the one that just completed.

There's a chance that Risacher and Sarr wouldn't have even been lottery picks in 2025. Kind of amazing that there's one really, really bad draft sandwiched in between two drafts that are supposed to be fantastic
 

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This draft is A LOT better than the one that just completed.

There's a chance that Risacher and Sarr wouldn't have even been lottery picks in 2025. Kind of amazing that there's one really, really bad draft sandwiched in between two drafts that are supposed to be fantastic
Spurs have their pick and the Hawks pick, the Nets have 4 first rounders but at least two figure to be low (Knicks and Bucks), with their own and the wildcard in the Suns pick should they implode. I expect Boston to be selecting 30th. ;)
 

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Vecenie's Mock Draft is up at the Athletic.

He would have any of his top 5 in 2025 (Flagg, Dylan Harper, Nolan Traore, VJ and Ace Bailey) going number 1 this year.
 

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Vecenie's Mock Draft is up at the Athletic.

He would have any of his top 5 in 2025 (Flagg, Dylan Harper, Nolan Traore, VJ and Ace Bailey) going number 1 this year.
He also has Malauch at 30, which is really, really low (something he acknowledges in the description)

Looking at the list, I think it's more like 8 or 9 than 5 too.
 

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Is it too late to declare a territorial pick? It worked for Heindohn.
It will be interesting to see where the expansion teams are going to get their picks. I think that expansion will be a done deal as soon as the NBA sees if they can get an additional package from TNT.
 

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It will be interesting to see where the expansion teams are going to get their picks. I think that expansion will be a done deal as soon as the NBA sees if they can get an additional package from TNT.
I’m sure this will be a part of the negotiation process but historicallly speaking the last 6 expansion teams have drafted between 6th and 10th/11th (forget which). Vancouver picked Edey….I mean Reeves 6th, the others were Tortono, Miami (Seikaly), Orlando, Charlotte (Rex Chapman) and Minnesota (Pooh Richardson).
 

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The consensus #1 pick is a kid from Maine, Cooper Flagg who will enter college basketball as the most hyped player since Zion.
Understand what you mean but you probably should have included a reference to the very tall Frenchman drafted a couple of years ago, although I understand he's in a class by himself.

Thanks for starting this thread. This draft is so good that few teams have traded their first-round pick, and according to this website, https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2024/08/traded-first-round-picks-for-2025-nba-draft.html, teams that did trade their FRP did so because they are pretty likely to be at the end of the first round (e.g., NYk, PHI, MIL, DEN; MIN; and PHO. That is, except for these teams:
  • Chicago (top 10 protected; hard to tell what CHI is doing)
  • DET (to 13 protected; probably won't convey)
  • ATL (to SAS);
  • MIA (top 14 protected to OKC)
  • WAS (top 10 protected; won't convey)
  • PDX (top 14 protected; won't convey)
  • UT (top 10 protected to OKC)
  • LAC (swap with OKC)
  • SAC (top 12 protected; to ATL)
Boy if things break right for OKC, they could make out like a bandit.
 

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Boy if things break right for OKC, they could make out like a bandit.
I can't quite disentangle RealGM's statement of what first-rounders OKC has next spring, but I think the LAC pick to OKC basically can't be higher than #12 (i.e. it has to be less favorable than the HOU 11-30 in order to convey). Let me know if you read it differently:

2025 -
- Own or swap for HOU 11-30 or LAC;
- more favorable of (i) PHX and (ii) less favorable of OKC and HOU 11-30 to HOU then other to BRK if HOU 11-30 more favorable than LAC (via OKC swap for HOU 11-30 or LAC; via PHX to BRK; via HOU swap of HOU or OKC for PHX);
- MIA 15-30 (via LAC);
- PHL 7-30;
- UTH 11-30

Also, their Miami pick is high-stakes this year: if it doesn't convey, i.e. if Miami is in the lottery at all, then the pick conveys unprotected for 2026.
 

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I can't quite disentangle RealGM's statement of what first-rounders OKC has next spring, but I think the LAC pick to OKC basically can't be higher than #12 (i.e. it has to be less favorable than the HOU 11-30 in order to convey). Let me know if you read it differently:

2025 -
- Own or swap for HOU 11-30 or LAC;
- more favorable of (i) PHX and (ii) less favorable of OKC and HOU 11-30 to HOU then other to BRK if HOU 11-30 more favorable than LAC (via OKC swap for HOU 11-30 or LAC; via PHX to BRK; via HOU swap of HOU or OKC for PHX);
- MIA 15-30 (via LAC);
- PHL 7-30;
- UTH 11-30

Also, their Miami pick is high-stakes this year: if it doesn't convey, i.e. if Miami is in the lottery at all, then the pick conveys unprotected for 2026.
I think OKC gets the LAC if it's 1-10. If it's not, not sure how the rest works out.

I think this language is accurate: "OKC has the right to swap its 2025 1st round pick for HOU's 2025 1st round pick protected for selections 1-10 or the LAC' 2025 1st round pick; HOU then has the right to swap its pick or the OKC pick to BKN for PHX's 2025 1st round pick; if the HOU pick falls within its protected range, then HOU's obligation to OKC will be extinguished and HOU will instead have the right to swap its pick to BKN for the PHX pick [LAC-OKC, 7/10/2019; HOU-OKC, 7/16/2019; BKN-CLE-HOU-IND, 1/16/2021; BKN-IND-MIL-PHX, 2/9/2023; BKN-HOU, 6/26/2024]." Cite: Oklahoma City Thunder - Future Draft Picks | Fanspo
 

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In a sport where the perception is that it is dominated by black players, I don't like the first major white American prospect in decades being referred to as "the intelligent choice."

I'm frankly not even sure what it is supposed to mean, even with the context of the video, and if you're going to wade into dangerous territory I think it is imperative on your marketing department that what you mean is 100% clear. Is signing him the intelligent choice for New Balance? Is buying his shoes the intelligent choice for consumers? Is he the choice of intelligent basketball fans?

I'm not ascribing anything to malice here, and I'm not saying that there's definitely something offensive going on here, but in 2024 when you refer to a white basketball player (that will presumably attract white fans) as "the intelligent choice" it makes my Spider Sense go off. And that seems like a marketing fail to me.
 

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In a sport where the perception is that it is dominated by black players, I don't like the first major white American prospect in decades being referred to as "the intelligent choice."

I'm frankly not even sure what it is supposed to mean, even with the context of the video, and if you're going to wade into dangerous territory I think it is imperative on your marketing department that what you mean is 100% clear. Is signing him the intelligent choice for New Balance? Is buying his shoes the intelligent choice for consumers? Is he the choice of intelligent basketball fans?

I'm not ascribing anything to malice here, and I'm not saying that there's definitely something offensive going on here, but in 2024 when you refer to a white basketball player (that will presumably attract white fans) as "the intelligent choice" it makes my Spider Sense go off. And that seems like a marketing fail to me.
"The Intelligent Choice" has been New Balance's slogan for years and the name of one of their signature shoes.
 

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"The Intelligent Choice" has been New Balance's slogan for years and the name of one of their signature shoes.
Thanks. I'm glad there's a mundane explanation. I clearly haven't paid any attention to New Balance before now, so I guess that's a win for them.
 

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CsBlog reporting that POBOBS went to Ulm Germany to watch a EuroCup game featuring 3 potential 2025 prospects: Ben Saraf, Noa Essengue, Michael Ruzic. Essengue is apparently 17.

I don't know anything about any of them but I thought people might be interested in the write-up.

What Brad Stevens Saw on a Tuesday Night in Ulm (si.com)
Vecenie had his mock draft up yesterday. He had Ruzic going at 28. His write up caught my eye as a Celtics target/Al replacement (long term).

"Ruzic is one of the more experienced rising draft prospects, having already seen close to 700 minutes in the ACB and Eurocup competitions for Joventut in Spain. A Croatian big man, the idea behind Ruzic is pretty simple: he’s a skilled big man who can step away and shoot as well as play with the ball in his hands a bit for a bigger player. He averaged about five points and three rebounds in 17 minutes per game last year in Spanish league competition and has the kind of skilled, fluid athleticism NBA teams covet from potential developmental bigs. He also seems to have long arms, which should allow him to find more success defensively given that he moves well and has solid instincts in team concepts."
 

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I like Sam Vecenie and I value his mock drafts a good amount.

However, I read that latest mock draft and it seemed like he was being negative just for the sake of being negative. Basically looking at the rest of the draft community and seeing that everyone else is going positive so he went negative because that’s where the opening was
 

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Vecenie had his mock draft up yesterday. He had Ruzic going at 28. His write up caught my eye as a Celtics target/Al replacement (long term).

"Ruzic is one of the more experienced rising draft prospects, having already seen close to 700 minutes in the ACB and Eurocup competitions for Joventut in Spain. A Croatian big man, the idea behind Ruzic is pretty simple: he’s a skilled big man who can step away and shoot as well as play with the ball in his hands a bit for a bigger player. He averaged about five points and three rebounds in 17 minutes per game last year in Spanish league competition and has the kind of skilled, fluid athleticism NBA teams covet from potential developmental bigs. He also seems to have long arms, which should allow him to find more success defensively given that he moves well and has solid instincts in team concepts."
That SI article (which was pretty good) has this to say about Ruzic's matchup with Essengue: Essengue finished with eight points and four rebounds, while also being matched up with Ruzic most of the time who he thoroughly outplayed. Ruzic finished with five points and three rebounds but struggled in his matchup against Essengue who was simply faster, longer, and a step ahead the whole night.