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Another week and another complete nobody topping the leaderboard in the PGA.

The LIV has totally f'ed the Tour talent.

Edit: And Denny McCarthy who might as well be a nobody too thought I've at least heard his name.
 

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I don’t care that they’re not stars, this is a great finish.
Edit: this is where, despite a talent drain, the PGA still has the major advantage. 2 relative unknowns in a showdown and they’re on NBC on Sunday evening.
If this was LIV, it could be Brooks and Rahm doing this and it’d still be relegated to CW (at best)
 

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These guys owe so much to tiger. The money on the tour has nothing to do with the ratings of today or its economics. You have to think the next contract negotiation would be a bloodbath and that’s why they will need this PE and Saudi money because it’s not coming from sponsors.
 

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I guess wait and see mode now, but the rumor mill is swirling that Rory is being offered 800 million to join LIV and an ownership stake.

1. Could be bullshit.
2. Could also be a sign that Rory thinks the two will eventually merge without repercussion for the LIV players and he might as well take the money.
3. Could be a big F U to Jay Monahan after Rory sided with the PGAT only to get stabbed in the back.
4. ???

If Rory goes I gotta imagine it's all over for the PGAT in its current form and the coup is complete. I'd be surprised if Scheffler, Morikawa and and other Top players stick around while money is being offered in that range.
 

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FWIW, haven't heard of the rumors myself, but Norman apparently scalped his way into Augusta and tried to get Rory's attention numerous times during the practice rounds but Rory was having none of it.

The flaw as I see it is Rory has basically said he really only cares about the majors now. He's very aware of his legacy and place in the game. The problem is, he's not exempt into 2 of the majors anymore, he's qualifying on an annual basis. US Open champions only get 10 years of exemptions and he won in 2011. Then there's obviously the Masters. If he leaves, he will fall out of the top 50 in the world and lose his invitation to the one tournament that if he ever wins would cement his name with the greats.
 

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It is outrageous that Jay Monahan still has a job. I cannot wrap my head around it and come up with any reason why he would still be the leader of the PGA.
 

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I was going to say, based off Rory's previous statements, if he jumped to LIV he might become the biggest villain in golf.

Glad it doesn't seem like a real thing. Hope it stays that way.
 

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I was going to say, based off Rory's previous statements, if he jumped to LIV he might become the biggest villain in golf.

Glad it doesn't seem like a real thing. Hope it stays that way.
Rahm said similar - though not nearly as pro tour - things as Rory; do folks think of him as a villain now? I found myself smirking at his relatively poor play during the Masters, even though he seems like a good guy overall. I’m not sure I’d say villain, but I definitely don’t cheer for his success now. I can’t comprehend the kind of money these top players make on Tour, let alone the guys who went to LIV, so it’s hard for me to say “how much money does a person need?” And understand what it would be like to turn away from $300,000,000.00, or whatever. But, while I’m not the happiest human on the planet, I manage to find joy in life while making a shit salary working a county government job. So…how much money DOES a person really need?

I dunno, the whole thing is just a little ridiculous, really. But I keep watching. I have tried to start watching the LPGA as much as possible…the golf is pretty damn good, and most of them are still grinding away for not-too-much money, seemingly playing for the love of the game.
 

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Scottie about to win his 4th in 5 starts.

Nelly Korda is about to win her 5th start in a row.

Psychopathic stuff from both.
 

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Nelly wraps up her 5th straight.

Scottie is up 4 with 7 to play. They are about to resume play after a weather delay. Field again rooting for an overnight phone call from Meredith.
 

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Let's have Nelly vs. Scottie in a one on one match play where she gets to play from the shorter tees. Let's see how that goes. That would be epic.
 

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Scottie went 53 holes without making a score higher than 4.

Run comes to an end at 15 where he hit a layup into the water but got up and down from 127 for a par 5.
 

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Let's have Nelly vs. Scottie in a one on one match play where she gets to play from the shorter tees. Let's see how that goes. That would be epic.
So, assuming you can figure out the distance difference so that on average they are hitting the same club on approach shots, who wins?
I haven't watched Nelly enough to know why she is so good. The LPGA stats I found aren't nearly as detailed as PGA stats, so its hard to tell from that, other than the 2 obvious ones: She leads the tour in scoring average and GIR, same as Scottie. Is she a really good putter? Is she hitting it close or making a lot of long putts?
Their fairways and greens hit %s are nearly identical. It might just come down to which course they play. I have no idea how LPGA courses compare to PGA courses in terms of degree of difficulty after you even out the distance difference. Scottie does have a lower scoring average by about a shot and a half per round.
 

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So, assuming you can figure out the distance difference so that on average they are hitting the same club on approach shots, who wins?
I haven't watched Nelly enough to know why she is so good. The LPGA stats I found aren't nearly as detailed as PGA stats, so its hard to tell from that, other than the 2 obvious ones: She leads the tour in scoring average and GIR, same as Scottie. Is she a really good putter? Is she hitting it close or making a lot of long putts?
Their fairways and greens hit %s are nearly identical. It might just come down to which course they play. I have no idea how LPGA courses compare to PGA courses in terms of degree of difficulty after you even out the distance difference. Scottie does have a lower scoring average by about a shot and a half per round.
They have similar profiles. I don't believe the women women have shotlink every week like the men mostly do (the only times they don't are multi-course tournaments like Pebble and Amex) so I don't think the strokes gained are as detailed or useful as the men.

Here's Nelly's ranks:

Strokes Gained off the Tee: 14th (0.76)
Strokes Gained Approach: 21st (0.93)
Strokes Gained Around the Green: 7th (0.78)
Strokes Gained Putting: 68th (0.30)
Total Strokes Gained: 3rd (2.76)

Here's Scottie (exclusing this week):

SG off the tee: 2nd (0.93)
SG approach" 1st (1.34)
SG around the green 5th (0.54)
SG Putting: 96th (0.014)

I won't try to compare the two head-to-head, it's probably not fair, but distilled down, both are so dominant from tee-to-green that average to below average putting doesn't even matter. Results wise, it's basically Tiger & Annika again with how dominant they are on their individual tours.

Scottie wrapped up his victory at the RBC this morning with ease. Made bogey on 18 so the final margin was 3 but it was never really that close. First player since Tiger in 07/08 to win 4 of 5 starts. Someone pointed out that this one might've been the scariest for Scottie. Immediately following a Masters victory, very little prep, signature event, middling round on Thursday (69; was T25ish) and by the back 9 of the final round he was still up by 5.

Someone did the math and assuming a standard 5/7/10 pay structure for Scottie's caddie, Ted Scott, he on his own would be around 30th on the money list for the season.
 

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This stat blew my mind.

Nobody in history has won all 4 of Bay Hill, The Players, Masters and RBC Heritage. Scottie just did it in the span of 44 days.

(I guess the caveat is the RBC Heritage, while a longstanding PGA Tour event and current signaute event, annually comes the week after the Masters so they didn't always get a great field. I'm not sure if Tiger and other Masters champions ever even played it.).

View: https://twitter.com/PGATOURSMartin/status/1782394112286630221
 

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Impressive but also a weird cherry-pick to specify those exact tourneys and ignore the T2 in Texas. Anyway, here's the list of players who won 4 straight:

81369

No clunkers there. Had he managed to win instead of the T2 he's on the 5+ list with just Nelson, Woods (x3 lol), and Hogan. There's sort of a lot in the 3 straight list but again all good players:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_longest_PGA_Tour_win_streaks
 

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The stat had nothing to do with consecutive wins which is why it didn't mention Texas. It was a bit cherry picked based on the 4 tournaments he's won, but the point was no player in history had ever won all 4 of the API, Players, Masters and the RBC in their career. Scottie just became the first to do so and he did it in 44 days.