2023 Starting Rotation

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I hope they bring up Bear Claw this weekend. I was at his start on the 4th when he took a no-hitter into the 6th. He looked good-- not much velocity (around 91) but a lot of swings and misses on his slider. (I guess it was a slider? Maybe a curve? Was timed at around 77 mph consistently.) I could see why he probably wouldn't be able to get out major league hitters 2 or 3 times through the order but he could be decent for 2 or 3 innings if he is commanding his breaking ball. He went 6 IP, 1 hit, 2 walks, 2 runs, 10 Ks. 89 pitches, 56 strikes.

The only hit was a HR with 2 out in the 6th (hit very high but looked like about 370 feet to right center-- if so, it might have been catchable in Fenway.) The batter before the HR walked, after getting what looked like a generous ball called on a 2-2 count, then one that wasn't that close for ball 4. With a little more luck he could have gotten through the 6th without a run or even a hit.

He likely can't pitch again until Sunday, so they probably won't bring him up unless the staff is taxed and they need reinforcements by then. I was hoping they would have DFA'd Ort and brought up Bear Claw for Tuesday's game but it was not to be.
I've got more hope they can fix Lamet, but who knows. Last year's dalliance with Carlos Martinez was a reminder that these promising young pitchers can sometimes just get burned out of the league before they're 30.

Really curious what Barraclough is doing differently though. He was mostly a fastball/slider guy in the majors. If they yanked him out of indy ball it makes me wonder if he's got some kind of new pitch, and they think it plays.
 

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Getting him on the roster may be tricky. They could DFA Ort or Garza, but I imagine they are waiting until Schreiber is ready to make that move? Otherwise you may lose one of those guys, and then one of the two who remains / Barraclough when Schreiber comes off the 60. Of course, a good chance all these guys make it back to Worcester anyways.
 

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Well, I don’t think it’s so much Ort- they will lose him (or Garza) when Schreiber is activated. But do they want to lose Ort and Garza, or Ort and Barraclough? Probably not, at least not yet.
 

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Post-ASB rotation per MassLive is:

Against the Cubs:
Bello
Paxton
Crawford

Against the A's:
Bullpen game
Bullpen game
Bello

Options for the two open slots in the rotation after the A's are:

While the Red Sox appear comfortable with two bullpen games every five days, there’s at least a possibility the club could turn to Triple-A Worcester for a spot starter to temporarily fill in while Garrett Whitlock (bone bruise in elbow), Tanner Houck (facial fracture) and Chris Sale (stress fracture in scapula) work their way back from the injured list. Recent free agent signee Kyle Barraclough has pitched well in three starts for the WooSox, posting a 2.12 ERA and striking out 14 batters in 17 innings. Boston also recently signed former Padres starter Dinelson Lamet to a minor league deal and is working to tinker some things with him in Worcester. Lamet has not yet appeared in a game for Worcester.
Bear Claw (love that nickname) is tearing it up in AAA so he could be a call-up. Problem is that neither he nor Lamet are on the 40 man roster so someone would need to go.


https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2023/07/alex-cora-reveals-red-sox-rotation-coming-out-of-all-star-break.html
 

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Are back to back bullpen days preferable to splitting them up? That seems counterintuitive to me.
 

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Are back to back bullpen days preferable to splitting them up? That seems counterintuitive to me.
If Pivetta can do “bulk”- 5 innings- after a 2 inning “opener”, Bernardino say…. And then Murphy and Walter can combine for 6 or 7…. BP game or whatever, it can work…. And especially against the A’s
 

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Yeah "bullpen game" is better understood as "opener for Pivetta" or "opener for Murphy/Walter" depending on the day, they'd just rather use them as bulk guys for whatever reason.
 

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Are back to back bullpen days preferable to splitting them up? That seems counterintuitive to me.
Fro the long-term, I would agree with you... but the post ASB schedule actually favors this approach with amix of weak opponents and some favorable off-days in the schedule. First three games (with Bello, Paxton, and Crawford) are against the Cub so we're not really exposed. The next two are against the A's and are bullpen games with Bello pitching the finale, so having them back to back actually has a decent chance of success and you're not burning a good starter against a poor team. Granted having Bello go against the A's runs contrary to that but the last thing you want to do is mess with the routine. Yeah... nothing is guaranteed on any given day, but the A's kind of skew that maxim when it comes to a bullpen game.

Then you have an off day before a three game Mets series, so Cora really has to pitch Paxton, Crawford, and a bullpen game if a starter isn't returning. Then an off-day (no bullpen start needed) with Bello and Paxton lined up to pitch against the Braves.

By that time, they have a travel day to SF and the end of July. If they don't get at least one started back by that point, they're kind of screwed as the West Coast swing with SF and Seattle are six straight games.
 

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Yeah. I quoted that a few posts up but strangely enough, was able to read the whole thing even without a subscription.

Having a couple of bullpen games in the rotation isn't crippling given that the A's are basically a AAA team. They could probably get away with going at it a second time through the rotation given the off-days... but after that, it starts to get ugly as they head into August.
 

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Post-ASB rotation per MassLive is:

Against the Cubs:
Bello
Paxton
Crawford

Against the A's:
Bullpen game
Bullpen game
Bello

Options for the two open slots in the rotation after the A's are:



Bear Claw (love that nickname) is tearing it up in AAA so he could be a call-up. Problem is that neither he nor Lamet are on the 40 man roster so someone would need to go. Ahh, murphy/walter....brainfart.


https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2023/07/alex-cora-reveals-red-sox-rotation-coming-out-of-all-star-break.html
My guess is that the 2nd bullpen will be the same as Tomorrow with Taylor starting as long as he doesn't implode tomorrow. Barring any callups/injuries. I'd forgotten about the murphy/Walter following. I guess that answers my own question.
 

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Can someone explain Paxton's contract situation? Cot's wording is:
  • , 23:$4M player option or 23-24 club options, to be exercised or declined simultaneously, at annual salaries of $13M plus performance bonuses earned in 2022
  • 2022 performance bonuses: $250,000 each for 12, 14, 16, 18 starts
  • annual performance bonuses for 2023-24, if options are exercised: $250,000 each for 20, 22, 24, 26 starts, less 2022 bonuses earned
  • Paxton exercised 2023 option 11/9/22
Because he exercised the player option, does that mean there is no club option for next year? I am confused by the wording
 

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Can someone explain Paxton's contract situation? Cot's wording is:
  • , 23:$4M player option or 23-24 club options, to be exercised or declined simultaneously, at annual salaries of $13M plus performance bonuses earned in 2022
  • 2022 performance bonuses: $250,000 each for 12, 14, 16, 18 starts
  • annual performance bonuses for 2023-24, if options are exercised: $250,000 each for 20, 22, 24, 26 starts, less 2022 bonuses earned
  • Paxton exercised 2023 option 11/9/22
Because he exercised the player option, does that mean there is no club option for next year? I am confused by the wording
The club had to exercise or decline the options for both 23 and 24 at the same time, and they declined them last offseason. There is no club option for next year.
 

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Can someone explain Paxton's contract situation? Cot's wording is:
  • , 23:$4M player option or 23-24 club options, to be exercised or declined simultaneously, at annual salaries of $13M plus performance bonuses earned in 2022
  • 2022 performance bonuses: $250,000 each for 12, 14, 16, 18 starts
  • annual performance bonuses for 2023-24, if options are exercised: $250,000 each for 20, 22, 24, 26 starts, less 2022 bonuses earned
  • Paxton exercised 2023 option 11/9/22
Because he exercised the player option, does that mean there is no club option for next year? I am confused by the wording
The Red Sox declined the two options for '23-24 because they were a package deal.

Paxton is currently in line to be an unrestricted free agent at the end of the season.
 

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Can someone explain Paxton's contract situation? Cot's wording is:
  • , 23:$4M player option or 23-24 club options, to be exercised or declined simultaneously, at annual salaries of $13M plus performance bonuses earned in 2022
  • 2022 performance bonuses: $250,000 each for 12, 14, 16, 18 starts
  • annual performance bonuses for 2023-24, if options are exercised: $250,000 each for 20, 22, 24, 26 starts, less 2022 bonuses earned
  • Paxton exercised 2023 option 11/9/22
Because he exercised the player option, does that mean there is no club option for next year? I am confused by the wording
Yes, I read it as if Paxton exercises the player option, then the team options are void and he becomes an FA after 2023.
 

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The Sox declined the two year club “swell option” which then gave Paxton the decision to make on the one year player option, which he accepted (thankfully).
 

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Brian Barrett made a pretty good point on his Ringer podcast the other day. Beyond all the obvious problems with an opener game & a bullpen game, Crawford also isn't effectively going deep into games.

As a starter he has a 3.10 ERA the first time through (.277 wOBA) & 8.79 the 2nd time through (.435 wOBA).

Since becoming a starter on June 3rd Crawford has pitched 3, 3, 4, 5, 6, 5.2 & 4 innings.

Barrett's conclusion was that they need to go out & acquire another starter right now, which I don't necessarily agree with, but it definitely adds to the stressors on the bullpen & the issues with running out such a depleted rotation.

I think that guy who can go 5 or 6 in a bulk role on the bullpen day might be Bear Claw, but if they don't think that, or if the right guy is available at the right price, they definitely should be considering it.

Crawford would be another guy who one might think would benefit from pitching behind an opener, but he's actually been better against lefties than righties this year, so starting makes sense, but with his struggles going deep, they could use a rested bullpen on his days.
 

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Sort of a State of the Sox post.

Figured I'd copy the game list/rotation post from the 2023 Injury thread, but it could easily have gone into the 2023 Bullpen or various Trade threads as well. I think here though, so we can track how this pivotal stretch unfolds, since it will likely turn on starter efforts.


Starter Scrum

For posterity, we currently have Sale, Houck, and Whitlock, nominal starters all, on the IL, with Sale/Houck due back mid-August if all goes well, and Whitlock a great big unknown. Could be sooner, could be later. It appears until we get a SP from a trade or a IL-return, we're using 1) Bello, 2) Paxton, 3) Crawford, 4) an opener+Pivetta, and 5) a bullpen/scratch starter approach.​
40-man depth for dedicated starters is thin, with Murphy/Walter already called up as longish-men. Murphy's been going every 4 days or so for 2-3 innings, and hasn't pitched post-ASB. Walter's use isn't as predictable, but he threw 96 pitches on 6-22. Winckowski's use is more frequent than either, but at this point he's best thought of as a 2 inning guy.​
But apparently no one (except maybe Walter?) is stretched out and ready to step in as a starter. The last emergency call-up type on the 40 was Jake Faria. Bryan Mata is the only 40 man pitcher not called up thus far, but he has been injured and last pitched in May - so it's not like he can be pressed into a ML multiple inning role. But let's say we have an open 40 man slot - is there anyone in the org we can call up to help? Drohan? Barraclough? A project pitcher?​
Speaking of the 40 man, notably, Schreiber, Sale, and Story are all on the 60-day IL list and would bump a current player off the 40 man when they return.​
Guys looking for chairs when the music stops could include: Pablo Reyes/Yu Chang (likely one on Story's return), Jorge Alfaro (when McGuire returns). For pitchers, Corey Kluber (infamously ineffective and rehabbing), Taylor Scott and Jake Faria (emergency call-up types). Which is 3. Others like Bernardino and Jaques seem to be pitching well enough to stick, but could be cut for a superior player returning.​
Meanwhile, Caleb Ort has been promoted to the Ryan Brasier Chair of Bullpen Binkiedom. He has invited guest-speaker Kiké Hernandez to give the annual "When it's time, Nomar, it's time" address.​


Post-Season Aspirations?

WC Standings as of today: Tampa, Min, Tex, are division leaders. WC scrum is Baltimore, Toronto, Houston, NYY, Boston, LAA. Boston is 2 out from the last WC spot and going forward has to play better than 2 of those 6 teams. 68 games left in the season.​


The Actual Games, Usage, and Roster Moves:

Greens are wins, Reds are losses, indents are notes and roster moves. Innings are 1(ish) with starter and significant long/short appearances noted.​
July 14 @ Cubs Bello - Bello (6), Winckowski, Bernardino, Scott, Jansen (.1).
July 15 @ Cubs Paxton - Paxton (3), Scott, Rodriguez, Jaques, Walter (2).
Scott DFA'd, Jake Faria up from AAA, stretched out as a starter, last pitched 7/5.​
July 16 @ Cubs Crawford - Crawford (6), Jacques, Faria (2 - 65 pitches).
Faria DFA'd, Bleier off the IL​
July 17 @ A’s Bullpen/Pivetta - Bernardino (2), Pivetta (6), Martin
July 18 @ A’s Bullpen​
July 19 @ A’s Bello​
July 21 vs NYM Paxton​
(Note: Schreiber and Bleier possible return?)
July 22 vs NYM Crawford​
July 23 vs NYM Bullpen/Pivetta​
July 25 vs ATL Bello​
July 26 vs ATL Paxton​
July 28 @ SF Crawford​
July 29 @ SF Bullpen/Pivetta​
July 30 @ SF Bello​
Aug 1 @ SEA Paxton​
(Note: Trade Deadline)
Aug 2 @ SEA Crawford​
Aug 4 vs TOR Bullpen/Pivetta​
Aug 5 vs TOR Bello​
Aug 6 vs TOR Paxton​
Aug 7 vs KC Crawford​
Aug 8 vs KC Bullpen​
Aug 9 vs KC Bullpen/Pivetta​
Aug 10 vs KC Bello​
Aug 11 vs DET Paxton​
Aug 12 vs DET Crawford​
Aug 13 vs DET Bullpen/Pivetta​
(Note: Story, Sale, Houck in "mid august" possible return?)
Aug 15 @ WSN​
Aug 16 @ WSN​
Aug 17 @ WSN​
(Note: the Gauntlet starts)
Aug 18 @ NYY​
Aug 19 @ NYY​
Aug 20 @ NYY​
Aug 21 @ HOU​
Aug 22 @ HOU​
Aug 23 @ HOU​
Aug 24 @ HOU​
Aug 25 vs LAD​
Aug 26 vs LAD​
Aug 27 vs LAD​
Aug 28 vs HOU​
Aug 29 vs HOU​
Aug 30 vs HOU​
 
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Good summary.

Scott has already been DFA'd to make room for Faria.

There's still a fair amount of chaff on the 40 in terms of pitchers - Faria/Garza/Ort/Kluber could all easily go.

Bear Claw seems like the best bet to step in for bulk work internally. Drohan pitches today, but hasn't been particularly good since getting called up to AAA. Dinelson Lamet may get a chance in a couple weeks if he seems effective as they stretch him out. He pitched 3 innings yesterday & allowed 1 run.
 

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Didn’t watch but man…. My Crawford skepticism is falling quickly into some genuine bullishness. Chicago has some damn good hitters.
 

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Didn’t watch but man…. My Crawford skepticism is falling quickly into some genuine bullishness. Chicago has some damn good hitters.
The Cubs might be the best team in the NL Central (faint praise, I know), and outside of one inning from Paxton and two guys who shouldn't be on a minor league roster, let alone a Major League one, the Sox pitchers (really the whole team) dismantled them this weekend, on the road.

It's really a shame that Sale went down again, because a 1-4 of Bello - Sale - Paxton - Crawford is right up there near the top of the league.
 

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Well, on the bright side, injury to Sale potentially gave more opportunities to guys like Crawford, right? These young guys (Crawford, Winck, Duran, Wong, Bernardino, etc have largely seized the opportunities given to them..and Sale should be back. The last month+ has been pretty incredible for young Sox talent, they are within striking distance of the playoffs, should be getting some guys back, have the chips to make some moves…but also maybe don’t really need to? Feel like they are in a really good position right now (and I know you have felt that way for a long while!).
 

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There's still a fair amount of chaff on the 40 in terms of pitchers - Faria/Garza/Ort/Kluber could all easily go.

Bear Claw seems like the best bet to step in for bulk work internally. Drohan pitches today, but hasn't been particularly good since getting called up to AAA. Dinelson Lamet may get a chance in a couple weeks if he seems effective as they stretch him out. He pitched 3 innings yesterday & allowed 1 run.
How long they string along Kluber will be interesting. If they trade for a SP he could be sent the other way just to help balance the $ (not because he's providing any real value). Otherwise he's the most likely to just get cut as he's not under control past this year anyway. I guess it depends on how his "rehab" proceeds. It's too bad he's not up for Oakland as it's the easiest lineup anyone will see...
 

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It's funny, cause Crawford's whole development as a starter in Boston has been the product of our absolutely garbage starter health situation the last two years. He showed potential when forced into action last year but clearly wasn't ready, and there's no way he's back in that role this year without multiple people going down again.

Well, on the bright side, injury to Sale potentially gave more opportunities to guys like Crawford, right? These young guys (Crawford, Winck, Duran, Wong, Bernardino, etc have largely seized the opportunities given to them..and Sale should be back. The last month+ has been pretty incredible for young Sox talent, they are within striking distance of the playoffs, should be getting some guys back, have the chips to make some moves…but also maybe don’t really need to? Feel like they are in a really good position right now (and I know you have felt that way for a long while!).
 

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It's funny, cause Crawford's whole development as a starter in Boston has been the product of our absolutely garbage starter health situation the last two years. He showed potential when forced into action last year but clearly wasn't ready, and there's no way he's back in that role this year without multiple people going down again.
Sort of yes, sort of no. I'd say his emergence hasn't been atypical, so it's not really funny.

Crawford was always on the depth chart as a SP, and has always been used exclusively as a starter in the minors (as most of the better ones are.) The entire point of having depth is that for every Mata who is injured, and every Walter who can't seem to get it together, and every Murphy who has a stall-out at AAA, you get a Crawford who makes the jump and sticks.

Last year he made some early relief appearances as an extra arm, then started from mid-June until the end of August when he suffered a shoulder injury. (In fact, Crawford's been on and off the IL as much as anyone else.)

This year he provided starting depth at the beginning, then was phased into long relief, then moved back to starting due to injuries. But he was always hovering around the 5th starter spot. In reality, he might be there due to the Sale/Houck/Whitlock injuries, but we also have to note that Pivetta and Kluber flamed out.

Unless you're a phenom, that's pretty much exactly the way you break "maybe" guys in. They get their opportunities as they arise, and Crawford was on the top of the list. It could have just as easily been Mata or Walter or Murphy, if they had better AAA experiences.

In fact, if you think of the path Houck, Whitlock, and Wincowski have taken between the rotation and the bullpen, Crawford seems that much more of just another live arm in the mix.
 

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Lots of good stuff in Kutter's Savant profile, in addition to the obvious (his low ERA, the win the other night.) K% is above average, Hard Hit % is well above average, BB% is way above average, chase rate and xBA are exceptional.

The guy has never had much of a pedigree but he looks like a pitcher to me. He struggled with his command initially in the minors, but post-pandemic he just became an exceptional control guy. His stuff isn't outstanding, but the off-speed stuff, especially the slider, is good-to-great.

I think he's good enough to hang as a starter, if he can stay healthy. A lot has been made of the fact that he's not going deep into games, but the team is, I think, trying to protect his arm, which is prudent, given the fact that he began the year as a starter, then went to long relief, and is now back starting. 89 pitches is his third-longest start of the year - he threw 93 in his very first start and 94 against Chicago back on June 25th.

I think this team is on much more solid footing if the below doesn't happen. Ort and Garza could be expected, but Kluber, Brasier, and Bleier all imploding so spectacularly really hurt this team in the first half.
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Bumping the State of the Sox post from upthread - one turn through the rotation has passed in the "Opener era."

It featured: the 6/15 Paxton melt-down game starring Enrique Hernandez at SS; the Jacques + no offense game of 7/18; and three excellent outings by Bello, Pivetta and Crawford. (The last featuring Faria's lone appearance for the Sox in stumbling through the final two innings.)

The Actual Games, Usage, and Roster Moves:

Greens are wins, Reds are losses, indents are notes and roster moves. Innings are 1(ish) with starter and significant long/short appearances noted.​
July 14 @ Cubs Bello - Bello (6), Winckowski, Bernardino, Scott, Jansen (.1).
July 15 @ Cubs Paxton - Paxton (3), Scott, Rodriguez, Jaques, Walter (2).
Scott DFA'd (OAK), Jake Faria up from AAA, stretched out as a starter, last pitched 7/5.​
July 16 @ Cubs Crawford - Crawford (6), Jacques, Faria (2 - 65 pitches).
Faria DFA'd (Worcester), Bleier off the IL​
July 17 @ A’s Bullpen/Pivetta - Bernardino (2), Pivetta (6), Martin.
July 18 @ A’s Bullpen - Jacques, Murphy (4.2), Rodriguez, Bleier.
July 19 @ A’s Bello - Bello (4), Rodriguez, Winckowski (2), Jansen.
July 20 off​
July 21 vs NYM Paxton​
(Note: Schreiber and Bleier possible return?)
July 22 vs NYM Crawford​
July 23 vs NYM Bullpen/Pivetta​
July 24 off​
July 25 vs ATL Bello​
July 26 vs ATL Paxton​
July 27 off​
July 28 @ SF Crawford​
July 29 @ SF Bullpen/Pivetta​
July 30 @ SF Bello​
July 31 @ SEA Paxton​
Aug 1 @ SEA Bullpen​
(Note: Trade Deadline)
Aug 2 @ SEA Crawford​
Aug 3 off​
Aug 4 vs TOR Bullpen/Pivetta​
Aug 5 vs TOR Bello​
Aug 6 vs TOR Paxton​
Aug 7 vs KC Crawford​
Aug 8 vs KC Bullpen​
Aug 9 vs KC Bullpen/Pivetta​
Aug 10 vs KC Bello​
Aug 11 vs DET Paxton​
Aug 12 vs DET Crawford​
Aug 13 vs DET Bullpen/Pivetta​
Aug 14 off​
(Note: Story, Sale, Houck in "mid august" possible return?)
Aug 15 @ WSN​
Aug 16 @ WSN​
Aug 17 @ WSN​
(Note: the Gauntlet starts)
Aug 18 @ NYY​
Aug 19 @ NYY​
Aug 20 @ NYY​
Aug 21 @ HOU​
Aug 22 @ HOU​
Aug 23 @ HOU​
Aug 24 @ HOU​
Aug 25 vs LAD​
Aug 26 vs LAD​
Aug 27 vs LAD​
Aug 28 vs HOU​
Aug 29 vs HOU​
Aug 30 vs HOU​
 
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Yes, but the odds of all of those guys being healthy, fresh and effective 2 1/2 months from now are pretty slim
I think the point is you only need a 4 man rotation for the post-season. So they don't all have to be healthy - if an effective Whitlock or Houck or Pivetta took Crawford's spot because he was gassed, it's still potentially a good playoff rotation. In front of a Murphy, Winckowski, Schreiber, Martin, Jansen bullpen.
 

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Bumping the State of the Sox post from upthread - one turn through the rotation has passed in the "Opener era."

It featured: the 6/15 Paxton melt-down game starring Enrique Hernandez at SS; the Jacques + no offense game of 7/18; and three excellent outings by Bello, Pivetta and Crawford. (The last featuring Faria's lone appearance for the Sox in stumbling through the final two innings.)

The Actual Games, Usage, and Roster Moves:

Greens are wins, Reds are losses, indents are notes and roster moves. Innings are 1(ish) with starter and significant long/short appearances noted.​
July 14 @ Cubs Bello - Bello (6), Winckowski, Bernardino, Scott, Jansen (.1).
July 15 @ Cubs Paxton - Paxton (3), Scott, Rodriguez, Jaques, Walter (2).
Scott DFA'd, Jake Faria up from AAA, stretched out as a starter, last pitched 7/5.​
July 16 @ Cubs Crawford - Crawford (6), Jacques, Faria (2 - 65 pitches).
Faria DFA'd, Bleier off the IL​
July 17 @ A’s Bullpen/Pivetta - Bernardino (2), Pivetta (6), Martin.
July 18 @ A’s Bullpen - Jacques, Murphy (4.2), Rodriguez, Bleier.
July 19 @ A’s Bello​
July 21 vs NYM Paxton​
(Note: Schreiber and Bleier possible return?)
July 22 vs NYM Crawford​
July 23 vs NYM Bullpen/Pivetta​
July 25 vs ATL Bello​
July 26 vs ATL Paxton​
July 28 @ SF Crawford​
July 29 @ SF Bullpen/Pivetta​
July 30 @ SF Bello​
Aug 1 @ SEA Paxton​
(Note: Trade Deadline)
Aug 2 @ SEA Crawford​
Aug 4 vs TOR Bullpen/Pivetta​
Aug 5 vs TOR Bello​
Aug 6 vs TOR Paxton​
Aug 7 vs KC Crawford​
Aug 8 vs KC Bullpen​
Aug 9 vs KC Bullpen/Pivetta​
Aug 10 vs KC Bello​
Aug 11 vs DET Paxton​
Aug 12 vs DET Crawford​
Aug 13 vs DET Bullpen/Pivetta​
(Note: Story, Sale, Houck in "mid august" possible return?)
Aug 15 @ WSN​
Aug 16 @ WSN​
Aug 17 @ WSN​
(Note: the Gauntlet starts)
Aug 18 @ NYY​
Aug 19 @ NYY​
Aug 20 @ NYY​
Aug 21 @ HOU​
Aug 22 @ HOU​
Aug 23 @ HOU​
Aug 24 @ HOU​
Aug 25 vs LAD​
Aug 26 vs LAD​
Aug 27 vs LAD​
Aug 28 vs HOU​
Aug 29 vs HOU​
Aug 30 vs HOU​
Thanks for this, @Rovin Romine .

So yeah, with days off, we only go to the 2nd bullpen game once, on 8/8.

That's assuming nothing goes wrong.

But something always goes wrong.

I still think we need to pick up a starter at the deadline, not as crapulent as Rich Hill, not as expensive as Giolito. (Somebody like Lance Lynn. An experienced hand down the stretch. If we win it all he can buy a swan boat.)

The other option is to push Chris Murphy into a starting role. I know it was the A's, but it seems he's pretty good. (Sort of a Brian Johnson without the car-jacking.)

I'm concerned.
 

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Bumping the State of the Sox post from upthread - one turn through the rotation has passed in the "Opener era."

It featured: the 6/15 Paxton melt-down game starring Enrique Hernandez at SS; the Jacques + no offense game of 7/18; and three excellent outings by Bello, Pivetta and Crawford. (The last featuring Faria's lone appearance for the Sox in stumbling through the final two innings.)

The Actual Games, Usage, and Roster Moves:

Greens are wins, Reds are losses, indents are notes and roster moves. Innings are 1(ish) with starter and significant long/short appearances noted.​
July 14 @ Cubs Bello - Bello (6), Winckowski, Bernardino, Scott, Jansen (.1).
July 15 @ Cubs Paxton - Paxton (3), Scott, Rodriguez, Jaques, Walter (2).
Scott DFA'd, Jake Faria up from AAA, stretched out as a starter, last pitched 7/5.​
July 16 @ Cubs Crawford - Crawford (6), Jacques, Faria (2 - 65 pitches).
Faria DFA'd, Bleier off the IL​
July 17 @ A’s Bullpen/Pivetta - Bernardino (2), Pivetta (6), Martin.
July 18 @ A’s Bullpen - Jacques, Murphy (4.2), Rodriguez, Bleier.
July 19 @ A’s Bello​
July 21 vs NYM Paxton​
(Note: Schreiber and Bleier possible return?)
July 22 vs NYM Crawford​
July 23 vs NYM Bullpen/Pivetta​
July 25 vs ATL Bello​
July 26 vs ATL Paxton​
July 28 @ SF Crawford​
July 29 @ SF Bullpen/Pivetta​
July 30 @ SF Bello​
Aug 1 @ SEA Paxton​
(Note: Trade Deadline)
Aug 2 @ SEA Crawford​
Aug 4 vs TOR Bullpen/Pivetta​
Aug 5 vs TOR Bello​
Aug 6 vs TOR Paxton​
Aug 7 vs KC Crawford​
Aug 8 vs KC Bullpen​
Aug 9 vs KC Bullpen/Pivetta​
Aug 10 vs KC Bello​
Aug 11 vs DET Paxton​
Aug 12 vs DET Crawford​
Aug 13 vs DET Bullpen/Pivetta​
(Note: Story, Sale, Houck in "mid august" possible return?)
Aug 15 @ WSN​
Aug 16 @ WSN​
Aug 17 @ WSN​
(Note: the Gauntlet starts)
Aug 18 @ NYY​
Aug 19 @ NYY​
Aug 20 @ NYY​
Aug 21 @ HOU​
Aug 22 @ HOU​
Aug 23 @ HOU​
Aug 24 @ HOU​
Aug 25 vs LAD​
Aug 26 vs LAD​
Aug 27 vs LAD​
Aug 28 vs HOU​
Aug 29 vs HOU​
Aug 30 vs HOU​
I guess its mildly reassuring that they won 3 of 5 when one of the "real" starters got drilled. 3 out of 5 the rest of the way ends with 90 or 91 wins (39.6 + 51).
 

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Thanks for this, @Rovin Romine .
Another poster did the initial calendar proposal in the bullpen thread.

I guess its mildly reassuring that they won 3 of 5 when one of the "real" starters got drilled. 3 out of 5 the rest of the way ends with 90 or 91 wins (39.6 + 51).
Yeah. . .I don't think they can do this for the rest of the season or anything, and they did drop 1 to the As. . .

That said, I think they can do it for a bit. And if even one of Whitlock/Sale/Houck come back before mid-August, using an opener+Pivetta as the de facto 5th starter seems workable.
 

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Bumping the State of the Sox post from upthread - one turn through the rotation has passed in the "Opener era."

It featured: the 6/15 Paxton melt-down game starring Enrique Hernandez at SS; the Jacques + no offense game of 7/18; and three excellent outings by Bello, Pivetta and Crawford. (The last featuring Faria's lone appearance for the Sox in stumbling through the final two innings.)

The Actual Games, Usage, and Roster Moves:

Greens are wins, Reds are losses, indents are notes and roster moves. Innings are 1(ish) with starter and significant long/short appearances noted.​
July 14 @ Cubs Bello - Bello (6), Winckowski, Bernardino, Scott, Jansen (.1).
July 15 @ Cubs Paxton - Paxton (3), Scott, Rodriguez, Jaques, Walter (2).
Scott DFA'd, Jake Faria up from AAA, stretched out as a starter, last pitched 7/5.​
July 16 @ Cubs Crawford - Crawford (6), Jacques, Faria (2 - 65 pitches).
Faria DFA'd, Bleier off the IL​
July 17 @ A’s Bullpen/Pivetta - Bernardino (2), Pivetta (6), Martin.
July 18 @ A’s Bullpen - Jacques, Murphy (4.2), Rodriguez, Bleier.
July 19 @ A’s Bello​
July 21 vs NYM Paxton​
(Note: Schreiber and Bleier possible return?)
July 22 vs NYM Crawford​
July 23 vs NYM Bullpen/Pivetta​
July 25 vs ATL Bello​
July 26 vs ATL Paxton​
July 28 @ SF Crawford​
July 29 @ SF Bullpen/Pivetta​
July 30 @ SF Bello​
Aug 1 @ SEA Paxton​
(Note: Trade Deadline)
Aug 2 @ SEA Crawford​
Aug 4 vs TOR Bullpen/Pivetta​
Aug 5 vs TOR Bello​
Aug 6 vs TOR Paxton​
Aug 7 vs KC Crawford​
Aug 8 vs KC Bullpen​
Aug 9 vs KC Bullpen/Pivetta​
Aug 10 vs KC Bello​
Aug 11 vs DET Paxton​
Aug 12 vs DET Crawford​
Aug 13 vs DET Bullpen/Pivetta​
(Note: Story, Sale, Houck in "mid august" possible return?)
Aug 15 @ WSN​
Aug 16 @ WSN​
Aug 17 @ WSN​
(Note: the Gauntlet starts)
Aug 18 @ NYY​
Aug 19 @ NYY​
Aug 20 @ NYY​
Aug 21 @ HOU​
Aug 22 @ HOU​
Aug 23 @ HOU​
Aug 24 @ HOU​
Aug 25 vs LAD​
Aug 26 vs LAD​
Aug 27 vs LAD​
Aug 28 vs HOU​
Aug 29 vs HOU​
Aug 30 vs HOU​
I do see a 7/31 game at Seattle that is not accounted for here.
 

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Man. Losing 2 of 3 to OAK blows. It's that failure to maximize the easier opportunities.

I do see a 7/31 game at Seattle that is not accounted for here.
Thanks! I added it, plus the off days, and tweaked the order accordingly.
So yeah, with days off, we only go to the 2nd bullpen game once, on 8/8.
With SoxVindaloo's correction, I think it's one on 8/1 and another on 8/8. It was just a best-guestimate from the other thread.
 

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Man. Losing 2 of 3 to OAK blows. It's that failure to maximize the easier opportunities.

Thanks! I added it, plus the off days, and tweaked the order accordingly.
With SoxVindaloo's correction, I think it's one on 8/1 and another on 8/8. It was just a best-guestimate from the other thread.
Thanks for doing this! It is very helpful to see what we are dealing with until any reinforcements arrive.