2023 Pats: Post Your Final Draft Grade

2023 Pats: Post Your Final Draft Grade

  • A+

    Votes: 6 3.3%
  • A

    Votes: 37 20.4%
  • A-

    Votes: 40 22.1%
  • B+

    Votes: 36 19.9%
  • B

    Votes: 37 20.4%
  • B-

    Votes: 11 6.1%
  • C+

    Votes: 7 3.9%
  • C

    Votes: 4 2.2%
  • C-

    Votes: 2 1.1%
  • D/F

    Votes: 1 0.6%

  • Total voters
    181

SeoulSoxFan

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Even with the maddening Mopu pick, I gave NE an "A-" for getting Gonzalez and White. Could have been an A+ by picking Downs for me.
 

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Was an A- until he completely ignored offense (and maybe good sense) 10 minutes ago.

edit: Now watch Mapu become a perennial All Pro and leader of Patriots defense for the next 10 years.
 
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j44thor

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I went A after the value of Gonzalez + 120 and White I can forgive the Mapu reach.
 

Cellar-Door

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A.

an A+ 1st round pick (and a bonus of getting another pick)
an A to A+ 2nd
B 3rd round.

Given how much more important it is to hit in the top 50 picks.... gonna weight it to A.
 

KingChre

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I voted C-. It would be an F if they didn't get such value with Gonzalez. I'm of the mind that they should have aggressively pursued offensive upgrades. I don't believe that addressing those needs post 3rd round is sufficient. I think we should expect more mediocrity and much of the same that we have seen over the last 3 years.

I thought for a minute that Bill Obrien's hiring was a sign of things to come but it's quite clear that they believe that improved coaching will solve their issues. I don't share their opinion. There's literally nothing they could do at this point to salvage the draft for me.
 

Average Game James

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A. I look at it this way: I would have been thrilled if Bill traded 14 and 76 to move up and take Gonzalez, so getting Marpu at 76 and 120 on top of that is just a bonus. Love the White pick in the second. They need players on offense, but this is such a strong draft for CB and edge players that I can't be upset going there in the first two rounds.
 

Arroyoyo

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Wasn’t our (far and away) biggest weakness last year not being able to score points? Love Gonzalez, but we’re going into the fourth round and our biggest playmaker is JuJu Smith-Schuster.
 

KingChre

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Wasn’t our (far and away) biggest weakness last year not being able to score points? Love Gonzalez, but we’re going into the fourth round and our biggest playmaker is JuJu Smith-Schuster.
This seems to be not a problem for most of this board and the Patriots organization. Apparently everyone is just fine with scoring 21 points a game but holding the Bills, Chiefs, Bengals, Dolphins, and now probably the Jets to 24. I don't get it and I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
 

Average Game James

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This seems to be not a problem for most of this board and the Patriots organization. Apparently everyone is just fine with scoring 21 points a game but holding the Bills, Chiefs, Bengals, Dolphins, and now probably the Jets to 24. I don't get it and I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
Would it be better to score 24 while allowing 27? They addressed two high value positions of need with guys who were great scheme fits at draft slots 10+ picks back of where most experts projected them to go. It’s just really hard not to be happy with that.
 

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This seems to be not a problem for most of this board and the Patriots organization. Apparently everyone is just fine with scoring 21 points a game but holding the Bills, Chiefs, Bengals, Dolphins, and now probably the Jets to 24. I don't get it and I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
I don’t get it either. We need weapons (plural) on offense to compete in our division. But thank God for special teams aces.
 

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The Patriots have a lot of holes. I don’t know if they got the actual BPA at every pick but they should be going for who they like most regardless of need.
 

Arroyoyo

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Would it be better to score 24 while allowing 27? They addressed two high value positions of need with guys who were great scheme fits at draft slots 10+ picks back of where most experts projected them to go. It’s just really hard not to be happy with that.
Sure, but going into the draft we had some talent on defense. We have none outside Rham on offense. This team is going to give up 24 to the Chiefs, Bills, and probably Jets of the world and score 14-17.
 

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Would it be better to score 24 while allowing 27? They addressed two high value positions of need with guys who were great scheme fits at draft slots 10+ picks back of where most experts projected them to go. It’s just really hard not to be happy with that.
also.. I mean, how many rookies are true impact players on offense.
I doubt a single one of the TEs drafted for example is better than Gesicki right now.

I especially find the 3rd round complaints weird... it's the 3rd round. Last year's 3rd round WRs... Velus Jones, Jalen Tolbert, 2021: Josh Palmer, Dynami Brown, Amari Rodgers, Nico Collins, Anthony Schwartz..... we have 4-5 WRs better than that right now. 76 isn't where you find a #1 WR>
 

Cellar-Door

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Sure, but going into the draft we had some talent on defense. We have none outside Rham on offense. This team is going to give up 24 to the Chiefs, Bills, and probably Jets of the world and score 14-17.
Nobody drafted in the 3rd round is likely to be better than any of these guys next year:
Juju, Henry, Gesicki, Bourne, Thornton, Parker, etc. We could use a #1 WR badly... we weren't getting one in this draft.
 

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The weaponz argument is fine, but like... what offensive player could they have drafted with either of their last 2 picks who would have projected to be a significant upgrade this year?

Definitely not a TE or RB. Which leaves a bunch of ~ok WR. Would any of them be significant upgrades over JuJu, Parker & Bourne this year?
 

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In the first and second rounds we drafted the best player available that also filled a major need and were perfect scheme fits. It’s hard to argue with that.
 

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B+. Great on the face, but the absolute refusal to give Mac Jones the weapons he needs to succeed on offense drops them down a letter grade.
 

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The weaponz argument is fine, but like... what offensive player could they have drafted with either of their last 2 picks who would have projected to be a significant upgrade this year?

Definitely not a TE or RB. Which leaves a bunch of ~ok WR. Would any of them be significant upgrades over JuJu, Parker & Bourne this year?
Problem is, you can't have it both ways as a GM. You can't say "we won't trade the draft capital to acquire an elite WR via trade" and then at not figure out a way, even if a trade up is the way to do so, to get that weapon in the draft. Doing that means that yet again, for probably at least the 15th season in the Belichick era, entering the season with a bottom 10 WR corps and without the GOAT who could make them better because of how great he was.
 

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There were #1 TE’s though for the long-term and Downs projects as a guy that can be a real threat to move chains. Not to mention, this was a fairly deep CB class, and you could have taken JSN instead of Gonzalez and a Smith, Stevenson, or Turner in R2 @ CB.

There’s always a talent trade-off in R2, I get that, but right now our DB room is more talented than our WR room (so much so that the team is raiding the DB room to fill voids at the WR position).

I’m not unhappy with the first two picks. Just questioning what the hell BB is trying to build to compete with KC and Buffalo?
 

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Sure, but going into the draft we had some talent on defense. We have none outside Rham on offense. This team is going to give up 24 to the Chiefs, Bills, and probably Jets of the world and score 14-17.
I think you’re overstating the talent level of the defense. Besides Judon, Dugger, and maybe healthy Barmore there aren’t any real impact guys and that’s probably why the Pats have struggled against top offenses. They might actually have a chance to get off the field on 3rd down a couple times against Buffalo now.
 

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Surprised at the faith everyone has that they can even draft or develop a good WR. I much prefer their odds of getting early value from a DB pick there.

Defense really needed speed and playmakers. Yes, offense still needs work surely but really really bad coaching skewed things.
 

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There were #1 TE’s though for the long-term and Downs projects as a guy that can be a real threat to move chains. Not to mention, this was a fairly deep CB class, and you could have taken JSN instead of Gonzalez and a Smith, Stevenson, or Turner in R2 @ CB.

There’s always a talent trade-off in R2, I get that, but right now our DB room is more talented than our WR room (so much so that the team is raiding the DB room to fill voids at the WR position).

I’m not unhappy with the first two picks. Just questioning what the hell BB is trying to build to compete with KC and Buffalo?
I would quibble that any tight end coming out of college can be considered a 1. The position is almost always trash in the first season or two and a lot of guys never pan out at all, including supposed can’t miss 1st rounders.
 

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Problem is, you can't have it both ways as a GM. You can't say "we won't trade the draft capital to acquire an elite WR via trade" and then at not figure out a way, even if a trade up is the way to do so, to get that weapon in the draft. Doing that means that yet again, for probably at least the 15th season in the Belichick era, entering the season with a bottom 10 WR corps and without the GOAT who could make them better because of how great he was.
There aren't any elite WRs available through trade. & maybe they'll still make a move for a DHop or Jeudy, but those guys aren't going to do much to mask Mac's actual limitations. So we might as well take some pressure off him by playing defense & hopefully not getting down early, allowing the run & play action games to cook.
 

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I would quibble that any tight end coming out of college can be considered a 1. The position is almost always trash in the first season or two and a lot of guys never pan out at all, including supposed can’t miss 1st rounders.
I would be willing to bet no more than 2 of the top 8 end up better than either Gesicki or Henry, decent change none of them are. We have good TEs, I'm baffled by people acting like Dalton Kincaid and Luke Musgrave are locks to be better than either of those guys.

Also, let's point out the obvious... no WR or TE makes us competitive with BUF or KC, they have elite QBs, we don't, we aren't beating them with our offense scoring a ton of points, if we want to compete a big part of it will be defense, and that's a big part of where BUF in particular has killed us, we can't cover Diggs or Knox and we didn't ahve the speed and pass rush to contain and/or sack Allen.
 

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There’s always a talent trade-off in R2, I get that, but right now our DB room is more talented than our WR room (so much so that the team is raiding the DB room to fill voids at the WR position).
I’m not sure that’s true? Dugger is definitely better than any of the TE/WR core, but beyond that are you sure that’s the case? Like, JuJu/Parker/Bourne feels kinda analogous to the Joneses and Mills. Solid guys, but no real number 1, and can get exposed against elite opponents.
 

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There were #1 TE’s though for the long-term and Downs projects as a guy that can be a real threat to move chains. Not to mention, this was a fairly deep CB class, and you could have taken JSN instead of Gonzalez and a Smith, Stevenson, or Turner in R2 @ CB.

There’s always a talent trade-off in R2, I get that, but right now our DB room is more talented than our WR room (so much so that the team is raiding the DB room to fill voids at the WR position).

I’m not unhappy with the first two picks. Just questioning what the hell BB is trying to build to compete with KC and Buffalo?
If your goal is competing with KC & Buffalo, covering Kelce & Kincaid would be a pretty good place to start. If this guy can actually do those things.
 

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They could have gone offense/offense/offense and they’d still have the weakest offense in the division. So I’m ok with this.
 

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Nobody outside of perhaps JSN or Flowers was likely to make an immediate impact on the skill group, and I don’t think those guys are Chase or Jefferson.
 

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I think you’re overstating the talent level of the defense. Besides Judon, Dugger, and maybe healthy Barmore there aren’t any real impact guys and that’s probably why the Pats have struggled against top offenses. They might actually have a chance to get off the field on 3rd down a couple times against Buffalo now.
This is my hope. As a fan watching on TV, not to mention the success of the team, watching the inability of the defense, despite being a high quality unit, to make critical plays to get off the field is one of the more frustrating experiences.

I'd have loved an offensive player and I agree that the Defense is currently more talented than the Offense, but I do love watching a shut down defense.
 

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I graded the picks A, B and C in order. So B.
I too want shiny offensive toys but this was a bad draft for game changers. We'll see. Maybe they missed out or maybe they nailed it.
 
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lexrageorge

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I'm still pretty down on the Pats skill players on offense, and OL depth could be a problem. But if Bill is looking at a multi-year retool via the draft, then may as well stock up on BPA's on the defensive side of the ball who may be more likely to make an impact than the available WR's and TE's anyway. Finding a hidden gem on day 3 would be nice.
 

Arroyoyo

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I’ll say this: I’m really interested in following the discussion here in the coming months regarding offensive approach/strategy in 2023.

I understand the “defense and play action” argument, but I’m not sure such a one-trick approach is going to win many games when you have QB’s that can throw for 400 yards and pancake linebackers in your conference.
 

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They could still trade a 4th and a 2024 pick for Hopkins. I would have liked to see them pick a slot WR or move TE too. Also concerned about the Oline. I'll give them a B, which is fine but there's still a ways to go in this rebuild.
 
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They could - won’t but could…maybe? - trade two 4ths and Uche to Denver for Jeudy. Won’t happen, but would change my mind in a hurry about this draft.

Edit typos because every fucking time…
 

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I graded an A. We got potential elite talent in round 1 and close to that in round 2. The round 3 pick is much better than many people are making it out to be. He was graded as a round 3-4 guy by most, he's super versatile and fits the modern linebacker mold well, so what's the problem? The change to O'Brien could be enough to make us a competent offense. I'm not worried about the O line. They'll likely draft a decent tackle in the next couple of rounds.
 

KingChre

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In the first and second rounds we drafted the best player available that also filled a major need and were perfect scheme fits. It’s hard to argue with that.
The bottom line is that their defense was not the problem and is typically not the problem. They had a historically pathetic offense and apparently most of you believe that adding Bill O'Brien, JuJu, Gesicki, Rieff and Calvin Anderson is an appropriate deployment of resources to address their problems.

It's not that they drafted bad defensive players, it's that this year is just the latest example of Bill Belichick not appropriately valuing the offensive side of the ball. He has not appropriately adjusted whatever positional value ratings that they have internally to account for changes in the modern game.

Every single year the league skews more in favor of offense. Every single year we get the same shit. They will have a top 5 defense, at best a top 15 offense, they'll win 7-10 games and we'll be sitting here in January complaining about how they can't keep up with Buffalo, KC and Cincinnati.

So yes, it would be much better to watch them lose 27-24 because at least they would be making some progress to maybe, perhaps play a style of football that could actually win in 2023.
 
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I agree that the offense was, and is, in dire need of an influx of protection for Mac and playmakers. TE was a deep position in this draft and now even that Kraft guy is gone. I do NOT agree that the D has not been a problem. They have more talent on that side of the ball, but have sneaky-struggled to shut down above average offenses.

Hoping White and Gonzalez pan out as some here expect, but I feel like it’s reckless/stubborn/shortsighted for BB to just watch as the offensive parade passes by. How exactly is anyone meant to properly evaluate Mac in 2024 with these fairly pedestrian “weapons?” I love BOB and think he’ll improve the O, but not THAT much bc there ain’t that much there. Is Thornton going to make an enormous leap? I hope so.

They’d better hope so too.
 

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What a wild ride on this board the past 24 hours.

I try to remember that a lot of college coaching is pretty poor to mediocre. Those assistant and position coaches work the same or more at recruiting compared to improving their coaching craft. And the players have limits on practice and work out times (often disregarded) as well as distractions like pretending to go to class.

A guy like Mapu has the chance to make a quantum leap in his performance the next couple years with pro coaching, pro nutrition, pro work outs…seems like an incredible athlete who can be molded into something great.

I’m bummed that the Lions sniped Branch at 45, but am surprised that Battle wasn’t the DB they nabbed in the 3rd.

Some dudes I hope they draft tomorrow:
Blake Freeland - another ball of clay to mold
Roschon Johnson - played in Bijan’s shadow, but has all the tools
Luke Wypler - not sure they want a center, but he’s a beast
Zack Kuntz - the nasty puns are reason enough, he’s a massive athlete that can be molded
Trey Palmer or Bryce Ford-Wheaton - burners who might break in as returners, maybe become something more
Warren McClendon - low upside, but could be the swing tackle
Ronnie Bell - Bill is def drafting a Wolverine, Bell has toughness and technique to make the squad
Mo Diabate - the Pats coaches seemed to like working with him
 
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KingChre

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I agree that the offense was, and is, in dire need of an influx of protection for Mac and playmakers. TE was a deep position in this draft and now even that Kraft guy is gone. I do NOT agree that the D has not been a problem. They have more talent on that side of the ball, but have sneaky-struggled to shut down above average offenses.

Hoping White and Gonzalez pan out as some here expect, but I feel like it’s reckless/stubborn/shortsighted for BB to just watch as the offensive parade passes by. How exactly is anyone meant to properly evaluate Mac in 2024 with these fairly pedestrian “weapons?” I love BOB and think he’ll improve the O, but not THAT much bc there ain’t that much there. Is Thornton going to make an enormous leap? I hope so.

They’d better hope so too.
I'll concede that I should have worded it better. Defense is a problem but not nearly as much of an issue as the offense is. I feel like we are mostly on the same page otherwise so I'll just stop here.
 

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I agree that the offense was, and is, in dire need of an influx of protection for Mac and playmakers. TE was a deep position in this draft and now even that Kraft guy is gone. I do NOT agree that the D has not been a problem. They have more talent on that side of the ball, but have sneaky-struggled to shut down above average offenses.

Hoping White and Gonzalez pan out as some here expect, but I feel like it’s reckless/stubborn/shortsighted for BB to just watch as the offensive parade passes by. How exactly is anyone meant to properly evaluate Mac in 2024 with these fairly pedestrian “weapons?” I love BOB and think he’ll improve the O, but not THAT much bc there ain’t that much there. Is Thornton going to make an enormous leap? I hope so.

They’d better hope so too.
I mean if it's about evaluating Mac.... who could they have drafted that helps there? I mean that honestly. No TE drafted will be as good this year as either of the 2 on the roster (rookie TEs are almost always not good), at WR... what maybe JSN? They had the bad luck to have a top 15 pick in a draft where the only blue chip immediate impact offensive talent was at QB and RB.

As to the guys who went tonight... plenty of experts would say most or all of them are on a similar tier or even lower than some guys still left (Perry, Jones, Scott, Wicks, Hutchinson, Bell) this was a deep, messy group of mid-round WRs.
At TE... good deep class, but a lot of overlap with guys they already have (outside Washington, but he might have been medical eliminated),

To me the biggest problem with the "Why no offense" argument is... most of these guys the upside is.... basically what we have. Like rashee Rice... maybe someday he'll be Juju if he's lucky Maybe Mingo ends up with DeVante Parker's career... that's be a pretty decent outcome for him.

This idea that we were going to come into this draft, and grab some WR or TE that was going to transform this offense, and be so amazing that we could score with KC and BUF and CIN with their much better QBs was delusional. There is no Jamar Chase in this draft, there is no Jaylen Waddle.
 
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This idea that we were going to come into this draft, and grab some WR or TE that was going to transform this offense, and be so amazing that we could score with KC and BUF and CIN with their much better QBs was delusional. There is no Jamar Chase in this draft, there is no Jaylen Waddle.
Yes, I totally get that. This will be another rebuilding block year, I can’t imagine the team making an offensive leap into the stratosphere of a Buffalo or KC or even the NYJ, at this point. I guess I just feel like you have to start somewhere, and you’ve got those teams, along with a divisional team like Miami, who are wildly better at the offensive weapons position, and we need to BEGIN to address it.

My hope at WR for being able to come even remotely close to competing with *real* offenses is long shot after long shot: Tyquan takes a massive leap…Bourne regains his 2022 form, BOB makes a big difference and…Marcus Jones spends more time on offense. Compare that to ANY OF THE WEAPONS GROUPS of those other teams and…I mean…yikes.

There’s no Jamar Chase or Waddell, I understand. But build from there. This team has very, very little. I hope I’m wrong.
 

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A + B- + F

that’s a C+ in my book averaged

if we’re going round-weighted then I guess B+
 

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Psst. *whispers* The WRs day 3... some of them are pretty good. And the RBs too. And there are a couple of OTs... and, oh yeah, some really good IOL prospects too!

A+ because the first two picks are A+s and the third one makes a ton of sense. I weight based on likely impact and ceilings and they got two guys with all-pro or pro-bowl kind of traits.

You got a top 5-6-7 pick at 17 and added a 4th. You got a top 30 pick at 46. Both are valuable positions and could change the defense. When Phillips leaves and Peppers goes you will have Mapu. I love this so much. This is so much better than last year imo.
 

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I also voted A+ earlier. DJs 11th and 28th guy and then considering the positions it’s an A+. Pats are in BPA situation. I don’t like Mac but he is serviceable with a great BB D giving him tons of opportunities and an NFL OC.
 

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Psst. *whispers* The WRs day 3... some of them are pretty good. And the RBs too. And there are a couple of OTs... and, oh yeah, some really good IOL prospects too!

A+ because the first two picks are A+s and the third one makes a ton of sense. I weight based on likely impact and ceilings and they got two guys with all-pro or pro-bowl kind of traits.

You got a top 5-6-7 pick at 17 and added a 4th. You got a top 30 pick at 46. Both are valuable positions and could change the defense. When Phillips leaves and Peppers goes you will have Mapu. I love this so much. This is so much better than last year imo.
yeah, the thing to me is... if we take say.... Perry and Scott at 107 and 117. If we took either of those guys at 76 people would have been happy. Heck we probably could have taken them at 46 and people would have said "well we need WR". I like Warren not much if any less than Steen, others are big fans of SAldiveri, Jones or Duncan

It's funny I broke out Brugler's absurd 400 prospect breakdown guide.... his #7 WR is still available, as are #13 and #14. His #6 OT is still on the board along with 8,9,10 and 11. His #7 RB is on the board.

Jeremiah's 4, 6, 7 OT on the board (his WR on the other hand I think the best left is 12th?).

CBS: 5th and 7th ranked OT left, 6th and 9th WRs left.

Ringer: 5th OL left, 9th and 10th best WRs left

PFF: 5th, 6th and 8th OT left (like the WR left less, 13th, 14th)
 

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I would be willing to bet no more than 2 of the top 8 end up better than either Gesicki or Henry, decent change none of them are. We have good TEs, I'm baffled by people acting like Dalton Kincaid and Luke Musgrave are locks to be better than either of those guys.

Also, let's point out the obvious... no WR or TE makes us competitive with BUF or KC, they have elite QBs, we don't, we aren't beating them with our offense scoring a ton of points, if we want to compete a big part of it will be defense, and that's a big part of where BUF in particular has killed us, we can't cover Diggs or Knox and we didn't ahve the speed and pass rush to contain and/or sack Allen.
Better than Gesicki? He couldn't get open with Hill and Waddle dragging defenses attention on every play. And Gesicki and Henry might actually be the worst top 2 tight ends when it comes to blocking, a huge part of their job, in the entire league. Arookie TE may not cone in and drop Gronk receiving numbers, but a bunch of them aren't literal turnstiles either.

I have no idea why anyone has faith in our offensive line, and that doesn't seem to be getting any better. Then we get to wide receiver. Folks were telling me Meyers was really good, the Pats disagreed and let him walk for the same money they gave Agholor, who sucks complete ass.

We all know what's coming. Defense will play well, make plays, keep them in the game against middle tier or lower teams. Awesome, meanwhile we'll be here debating whether Mac sucks or not week in week out, as he is running for his life, hoping some retread gets open in under 5 seconds. The defense is going to be staring at short fields, because our offense can't do a damn thing.

The worst part is I love their fucking draft picks. LOVE THEM. I just have no fucking idea what the plan is to actually compete, unless it's to run our the string with Mac, build a defensive team and move on when they find a QB they like. It's a plan, I guess, but one that comes with crazy long odds in today's NFL.

I am a very, very long time season ticket holder, ill be there, ill root them on, but damn, it's 2023, not 1992. The game us different and folks simply need to look at the teams in the playoffs last year to figure out what works and what doesn't.