There is absolutely no way that hey Vikings would be open to trading Cousins. They have MVP candidate and the best WR in football talking contract. Where did this rumor start?
2023 Jets: Hello Darkness Retreat, My Old Friend
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I’ve never seen a trade for a QB2 that was just signed. Panthers gave him $8 million guaranteed. I mean, anything is possible if the Panthers decide to tank early, but this seems in the same universe as Carr or Brady. I guess the Jets may be more motivated, but this seems unlikely to say the least.
Have you seen many teams with Super Bowl aspirations and a very talented roster lose their starter for the year in the first series? And this isn't exactly like Brady 2008 when you know you'll have a lot more shots once the guy returns either. I think everything is on the table for the Jets.
According to the web, the Rams would save $1.5 million this year trading Stafford, but would be on the dead cap hook for $18.5 million each of the next three years. Which seems less than ideal.
Beyond the history they're a few weeks too late. SF is a title frontrunner who has had QB injuries about 5 straight years, you needed to get Darnold before they let Lance go.
Based on where their teams are in terms of compeitiveness and other QBs, I'd guess the list of QBs actually available for trade are:
Available:
Mason Rudolph
Case Keenum
Nathan Peterman
Gardner Minshew
Brandon Allen?
If you overpay enough
Kyler
Jameis
Heinke (maybe)
Agreed. Let's not do this. Yeah, there were many jokes in the game thread but let's not troll here.
Minshew or Keenum seem like your best bets, but Indy and Houston probably would want something like a 3rd or maybe even a 2nd given how desperate the Jets are.
He wouldn't win ya jack shit, but given the names put forth, I'd take a look at him. He's still under 30 and has thrown for 5000+ yards once not so long ago. Let him air it out to Garrett 15 times a game, fuck it. I doubt he fits the Hackett system- whatever that is- but every choice will be severely flawed either way. He'll throw as many picks as Wilson, but it'll be a far more entertaining brand of pick.
Sam Bradford being traded to Minnesota after Teddy Bridgewater gets hurt. Slightly different situation - the Eagles signed Bradford before they made the trade for the pick to draft Wentz. Bradford didn’t sign on to be the #2, and Philly was likely glad to get off the contract once they had Wentz.
Glad you made it back quickly!
I suppose there is a very small chance they try for 3-4 months (late Dec/early Jan) depending how the season goes for the Jets. Cam Akers was the fastest NFL return I know of, and he was injured mid July and was cleared to return Dec 23rd, slightly over 5 months. Rodgers is almost 2 months behind Akers given his injury date.
There is a big difference between jogging and the movements needed to play NFL football so hard to compare timelines to that. I'm sure Rodgers will push the envelope if he can, and look for whatever Joe-Rogan esque med to shrink that timeline down as much as possible. But it would be very difficult to make it back for the playoffs this season.
Saleh was just quoted as saying Wilson's gonna be the guy for the rest of the year. Maybe it's to keep the price down on any QB acquisition but it's something, anyway.
Sure, anything is possible. But the Panthers signed Dalton for a decent backup contract to have a playable vet behind their rookie. I just don’t see what happens on the timetable the Jets need to make the Panthers scrap the plan they chose to try to support their hopeful QB of the future. If the Jets can wait things out a bit maybe guys shake loose, but if they feel the need to do something now, this seems unlikely to me, as do many of the ideas here. None of these guys is plug and play.
I think you have to say it because of what already went down with the kid last year, but I'd be stunned if they aren't turning over every ston this morning.
Maybe?
Problem is I think they're smart enough to realize that it's really hard to control a tank, and while Kyler isn't perfect, having him is a lot better than missing out on Williams and not having him.
That team is pretty bad, they can bring Kyler back slowly and still have a real chance of losing enough to have the worst record.
Oh for sure, even if they bring someone else in we're talking a month before the guy is acclimated enough to perform adequately, I just think the Jets are likely desperate enough to overpay for guys.
I don’t think any major trade will be made. No one is good enough that is available. It will be for a fringe/old guy trade/FA to backup at first and eventually start if Zach looks as bad as last year. Need a Trent Dilfer type guy and probably can’t get it.
It was like 20 minutes after the game ended. I don't think he was going to say we're in the market for a QB. Saleh has no choice at the moment and has to manage Wilson, hence the comment, but I'd be stunned if Douglas wasn't making phone calls already.
On one hand, he can be almost completely immobile at that position with the other abilities that he has. On the other hand, he's really freaking old to bounce back from a traumatic injury like this.
Funny thing is when you say Joe Rogan-esque med, I'm thinking more HGH than Ivermectin.
If the Jets are calling about current starting QBs, the price will be high regardless of what Saleh says about Wilson.
If I’m reading Spotrac correctly, Kyler has $97M in dead cap. Not sure what changes if he’s traded.
Wentz has a pretty large sample size of success to go with his failures at the NFL level. He was an above average level full season QB as recent as 2 years ago, and which at the core is something we desperately need this year to make any realistic playoff push in a stacked AFC. Zach Wilson has none of that going for him. Zach hasn't even put together 1 single "great" game in NFL yet, and with absolutely nothing at this point but sunk cost fallacy to suggest he's capable of even making the jump from talented immature frat boy beating up teams on the college level to adequate starting quarterback you can depend on in the NFL.
The Jets are coming off the worst GM'd offseasons in my 30 years of following the team. Infinite amounts of koolaid was drunk to justify a lot of that away, and ultimately in the name of giving this once in a generation (for us) type of defense a shot carrying a team to a playoff win or 2. If we did all that just to punt the ball away when the 40yo declining QB name value gets hurt...jesus. We've gone this far with it. Even now being stuck behind the 8-ball with the literal worst OC hire in NFL history you might as well go the distance and throw up the hail mary pass with Wentz.
You need to get the ball rolling on that transition now though. As in today. Waiting a week to "first see how Zach does against one of the best defensive fronts in the NFL" is just piling on more fail imo. We already know how that story ends without seeing it. It's why we abandoned all that common sense this past off-season in the first place.
Spotrac shows it by clicking on the "x" in the last column on the contract details tab.
POST-6/1 TRADE
2023 Dead Cap: $13,007,000
2024 Dead Cap: $46,221,000
2023 Cap Savings: $3,000,000
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Thanks, hermano. Miss you, too. I'm in Gloucester until mid October before heading south of the border again. If you're in the area let me know.
This makes perfect sense. Thanks.
What's tough about this as a Jets fan is that I was excited to watch a good quarterback play, and I actually personally didn't even see a single snap.
I think most NFL fans with a functional brain know that even if you're a top 5 contender, your chances of making / winning a Super Bowl are pretty low, and that the Jets were almost certainly not a top 5 contender anyway. I honestly didn't get invested at all in a Super Bowl or deep playoff run. I was just excited to watch good quarterback play, which we've literally never had. What we HAVE had is back to back AFC title games with Sanchez, and those were only so entertaining, because the exercise of constantly covering for his giant weaknesses and hoping for luck was exhausting and doomed and everyone knew it.
Since the half season of Favre where he was pretty solid until he got hurt, it's been Sanchez to Geno to Darnold to Wilson, with significant runs with backups / journeymen sprinkled in. And for decades before that, it was mediocrity at best.
I think watching the NFL as a fan in the current era has a ceiling on how fun it is, and that ceiling is pretty much directly tied to QB play level. Just being able to enjoy competence and maybe even excellence at QB was all I really wanted out of the year. I figured he'd get hurt in week 8 but that we'd have had some fun times before then.
I think most NFL fans with a functional brain know that even if you're a top 5 contender, your chances of making / winning a Super Bowl are pretty low, and that the Jets were almost certainly not a top 5 contender anyway. I honestly didn't get invested at all in a Super Bowl or deep playoff run. I was just excited to watch good quarterback play, which we've literally never had. What we HAVE had is back to back AFC title games with Sanchez, and those were only so entertaining, because the exercise of constantly covering for his giant weaknesses and hoping for luck was exhausting and doomed and everyone knew it.
Since the half season of Favre where he was pretty solid until he got hurt, it's been Sanchez to Geno to Darnold to Wilson, with significant runs with backups / journeymen sprinkled in. And for decades before that, it was mediocrity at best.
I think watching the NFL as a fan in the current era has a ceiling on how fun it is, and that ceiling is pretty much directly tied to QB play level. Just being able to enjoy competence and maybe even excellence at QB was all I really wanted out of the year. I figured he'd get hurt in week 8 but that we'd have had some fun times before then.
Schefter confirms torn achilles
https://x.com/adamschefter/status/1701611717607002347?s=46&t=PRtSjhkpK5WXlUAKauyTxQ
https://x.com/adamschefter/status/1701611717607002347?s=46&t=PRtSjhkpK5WXlUAKauyTxQ
Even if their plan is to go with Wilson, and even if Wilson is average, I expect him to get injured at some point. The state of OL, along with Wilson's penchant for running/taking hits, almost makes it a certainty. There were a couple times last night when Wilson got flushed out of the pocket because of bad protection, and then exposed himself to some really bad hits that I thought would knock him out of the game. It's just another indication of the lack of football smarts by Wilson...he should've known that there was no backup QB last night, and stopped trying to hero-ball it.
Personally, I'd see if you could coax Matt Ryan to come out of retirement, as I see him as the one with the best chance to "game manage" this offense into a playoff position. That being said, I wouldn't be surprised if Wentz is the FA that they sign.
Jameis has shown flashes of improvement the last few years (when he's managed to actually avoid injury) from his gung slinging days in Tampa. I was potentially interested in taking an asset free flyer on him this past winter before we went completely off the rails chasing after Rodgers, and would be so today if the acquisition cost happened to be minimal.
That said the majority of trade targets being discussed here so far are fairly unrealistic atm/imo. As far as non free agents go you have maybe Tannehill out there i could see being traded, but that's likely it and I that is a lot of money involved to make it work.
Rodgers made $18.75mm per play in his Jets career.
Cap hits:
2023: $8,888,888
2024 $17,161,112 ($66,161,112 if he retires, which presumably can be spread over two years if he retires after June 1, 2024)
Cap hits:
2023: $8,888,888
2024 $17,161,112 ($66,161,112 if he retires, which presumably can be spread over two years if he retires after June 1, 2024)
It's official-ish:
Aaron Rodgers is out for the season with a torn Achilles’ tendon - The Washington Post
Aaron Rodgers is out for the season with a torn Achilles’ tendon - The Washington Post
EDIT: Sorry I missed the post upthread....
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One of the worst things about this is that it didn’t have to happen. Some of this is on the man himself. The LT cut block and the ball is supposed to come out, why didn’t he throw it. What a disaster
Is it only $18.5? I'm seeing a dead cap hit of $86.5M next season and $37M the season after on Sportrac.
That play was so weird. Not just that he didn't throw the ball, but he stood there completely static, like Cowboys-era Drew Bledsoe just waiting on the rush to arrive.
IIRC he did that a lot in his final GB years, he was always trying for the long play.
The man is open. No idea why he didn't throw it. It's like he's been immunized to short passes.
It also opens the door to a possible Ray Lewis retirement scenario if the Jets are in the mix. Whatever voodoo you can do to come back and retire at the end of the year before you can get called out on it.
He did the same thing on one of the earlier snaps too and Aikman called out that the tackles cut so the ball was supposed to come out quick but he held on to it.
Rogers is a narcissistic dummy and I have no love for the Jets but this news sucks. Him joining the team was going to make for a fascinating story to watch all season. Can't imagine what it's like to be a Jets fan :/
Stafford was the first guy I thought of, but those dead cap hits wouldn't get paid out over the next three years if traded. They'd all accelerate on to this years cap.
His cap hit now is 20M, would jump to 74M if traded.
They can't do it.
Generally QBs bounce on the pocket or hitch up, do something. He literally stood pat in one spot.
Stafford is like a pipe dream or something. I’m thinking more like Wentz or Jacoby (if he can be had for a draft pick with upside on it)
As always, these things are tough to figure out. When you click for more info on Spotrac for a trade post 6/1 2023 it says this so it looks like the 3x $18.5 million would hit next year.
2023 Dead Cap: $18,500,000
2024 Dead Cap: $55,500,000
2023 Cap Savings: $1,500,000
The Jets were 7th in super bowl odds (+1600), basically a punchers chance, and large chunk of that is based on the idea that Rodgers could provide them with pro-bowl level QB play. Other than Tom Brady, there is no one in the entire world not already on an NFL team who can provide that for them this year. Any move they make has to be with an eye towards the future. If that means giving Zach Wilson one more try, so be it. If they actually like one of the free agents or backups under 30 somewhere else with upside, go for it. Giving up future assets (or killing future cap space) for an older QB in a win now move would be just terrible.
Josh Johnson is available. Has he played for the Jets? He seems like he's played on every other team.