2023-2024 General NBA Season Thread

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Blazers-Cs: I'd say both sides are extremely happy with this trade thus far, not even including what PDX should get for Brogdon.
Brogdon is playing okay but is Portland extremely happy that Rob Williams only played in 6 games before being shut down for the season? It does make sense from the perspective that the Blazers are happy to tank this season.

The Celtics seem to be quite happy with the trade.
 

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Brogdon is playing okay but is Portland extremely happy that Rob Williams only played in 6 games before being shut down for the season? It does make sense from the perspective that the Blazers are happy to tank this season.

The Celtics seem to be quite happy with the trade.
Thus far, it looks like PDX has sent Lillard, Nurkic, Johnson, and Little and received:
  • Deandre Ayton
  • Toumani Camara (via Suns)
  • 2024 GSW 1st round draft pick
  • 2028 first-round swap with Bucks
  • Bucks 2029 1st-round pick (unprotected)
  • Celtics 2029 1st-round pick (unprotected)
  • 2030 first-round swap with Bucks
  • Malcolm Brogdon
  • Robert Williams
I think you are correct that PDX is fine with TL not playing so long as they can derive some value from him at a later date. But if they can get a late or heavily protected first for Brogdon, they'd be getting four 1st round picks and 2 swaps for Lillard plus they got the most upside piece out of all of the rest of the players and they really like Camara.

Also, Holiday doesn't do anything for them so I'm guessing they are quite happy to have received what they did from BOS even with TL being injured.
 

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Is there a way the NBA can improve their schedule for national TV games? Last night's Bucks/Celtics was poor planning, with the C's home/away back-to-back. I'm also thinking of the numerous Saturday night Warriors games that Curry sat.

The NBA wants to blame the players, but they need to look at their poor planning. Schedule around your national showcases in a way that elevates those competitions. They seem to be able to do it for the Christmas Day games.
 

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Is this the year of the win-win trade?
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Celtics-Grizz: yes, it's been a year from hell for Memphis and Smart has been hurt. But it's looked really good at moments and bodes well for the future, the pairing of him with Ja and Bane. C's have obviously been delighted so far.

Blazers-Suns: similar to above, hasn't been fun season in Phoenix. But Jurkic has played better than Ayton, and they got desperately needed supporting assets out of the deal. Meanwhile, Portland got the younger, higher-upside player, so it aligns with what both franchises are trying to do.

Blazers-Bucks: I guess this belongs as well, although so much of "win-win" is contingent on how far MIL goes in the postseason.
Agree with many of the examples, but Smart has been awful -- maybe it doesn't matter due to other injuries, but definitely not a win-win. In re the Suns, hard to breakdown given a 3 way deal and Grayson A has been pretty decent for them. And I know Ayton is unreliable, but Nurkic seems to me a big part of the reason the Suns are underperforming. 48% shooting for a big man is poor, just 27% from 3 after being 36% the previous year (granted that might have been an outlier year given his career stats). The Suns have plenty of offense, but Nurkic is a slug defensively who doesn't offer enough rim protection -- that's been a bane for the Suns.
 

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Is there a way the NBA can improve their schedule for national TV games? Last night's Bucks/Celtics was poor planning, with the C's home/away back-to-back. I'm also thinking of the numerous Saturday night Warriors games that Curry sat.

The NBA wants to blame the players, but they need to look at their poor planning. Schedule around your national showcases in a way that elevates those competitions. They seem to be able to do it for the Christmas Day games.
OT games are relatively rare (around 6%) to where a teams starters have to play 40+ minutes the night prior. Not every B2B is like last night game. I suspect the result may not have been good for the Celtics regardless the way the Bucks were dialed in last night. They came out treating this like a G7 on both ends.
 

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Agree with many of the examples, but Smart has been awful -- maybe it doesn't matter due to other injuries, but definitely not a win-win. In re the Suns, hard to breakdown given a 3 way deal and Grayson A has been pretty decent for them. And I know Ayton is unreliable, but Nurkic seems to me a big part of the reason the Suns are underperforming. 48% shooting for a big man is poor, just 27% from 3 after being 36% the previous year (granted that might have been an outlier year given his career stats). The Suns have plenty of offense, but Nurkic is a slug defensively who doesn't offer enough rim protection -- that's been a bane for the Suns.
Admittedly most of my general news comes from the Lowe Post but I haven't heard anything that PHO is regretting trading Ayton. Also, getting Grayson Allen in that trade has been a real plus for PHO has Allen has been the biggest non-Big 3 bright spot on the team. https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2024/1/11/24032514/grayson-allen-has-been-a-saving-grace-for-the-suns
 

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Thus far, it looks like PDX has sent Lillard, Nurkic, Johnson, and Little and received:
  • Deandre Ayton
  • Toumani Camara (via Suns)
  • 2024 GSW 1st round draft pick
  • 2028 first-round swap with Bucks
  • Bucks 2029 1st-round pick (unprotected)
  • Celtics 2029 1st-round pick (unprotected)
  • 2030 first-round swap with Bucks
  • Malcolm Brogdon
  • Robert Williams
I think you are correct that PDX is fine with TL not playing so long as they can derive some value from him at a later date. But if they can get a late or heavily protected first for Brogdon, they'd be getting four 1st round picks and 2 swaps for Lillard plus they got the most upside piece out of all of the rest of the players and they really like Camara.

Also, Holiday doesn't do anything for them so I'm guessing they are quite happy to have received what they did from BOS even with TL being injured.
Thanks for the summary. That is an impressive haul. Portland fans may be unhappy that they do not have a competitive team now but there is certainly hope for the future.
 

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Thanks for the summary. That is an impressive haul. Portland fans may be unhappy that they do not have a competitive team now but there is certainly hope for the future.
They also have some fun young players. I've always been a Simons fan.
 

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OT games are relatively rare (around 6%) to where a teams starters have to play 40+ minutes the night prior. Not every B2B is like last night game. I suspect the result may not have been good for the Celtics regardless the way the Bucks were dialed in last night. They came out treating this like a G7 on both ends.
The OT didn't help, but I'm hesitant to let the NBA off the hook without noting that last night was Boston's 5th game in 7 days. It was a recipe for a bad national TV game even without the OT the night before.
 

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The OT didn't help, but I'm hesitant to let the NBA off the hook without noting that last night was Boston's 5th game in 7 days. It was a recipe for a bad national TV game even without the OT the night before.
They also played Indiana twice, the timberwolves and OKC.. besides the Bucks.. it’s a ridiculous gauntlet for any team.
 

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LaMelo is back tonight and DeJuante to the Lakers rumors are popping off.
I'm surprised it's only Murray rumors.

I'd expect Laker Nation to be spinning Pascal, Dejounte, & Caruso for DLo, 100 Magic Johnson-signed basketballs, and In-N-Out for a month.

No fan base is quite as delusional
 

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For Russell and a pick or what? Reaves too? The Lakers don’t really have that much to offer.
Murray is signed at 3.5 years for reasonable money, i expect Atlanta to wait unless someone really blows them away. I don't know if the Lakers have enough for that (the Hawks gave up 3 1st round picks for him just 18 months ago).

I'm surprised it's only Murray rumors.

I'd expect Laker Nation to be spinning Pascal, Dejounte, & Caruso for DLo, 100 Magic Johnson-signed basketballs, and In-N-Out for a month.

No fan base is quite as delusional
The way they rebuilt their team on the fly last year didn't help their expectations, but none of the players they added midseason last year (Hachimura, Bamba, Russell, Beasley, Vanderbilt) are anywhere near as valuable as Murray (or Lavine). We'll see.
 

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They also played Indiana twice, the timberwolves and OKC.. besides the Bucks.. it’s a ridiculous gauntlet for any team.
That’s not really an NBA scheduling thing though. The Bucks were expected to be good but the other 3 teams were low end playoff teams - perhaps not even a playoff team in Indy’s case
 

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Murray is signed at 3.5 years for reasonable money, i expect Atlanta to wait unless someone really blows them away. I don't know if the Lakers have enough for that (the Hawks gave up 3 1st round picks for him just 18 months ago).



The way they rebuilt their team on the fly last year didn't help their expectations, but none of the players they added midseason last year (Hachimura, Bamba, Russell, Beasley, Vanderbilt) are anywhere near as valuable as Murray (or Lavine). We'll see.
Lavine may have the worst contract in the league. Chicago should be stoked if they could turn him into Rui, Russell, and Vincent.
 

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Lavine may have the worst contract in the league. Chicago should be stoked if they could turn him into Rui, Russell, and Vincent.
That may be true, but the Bulls don't know it (or aren't willing to admit it). He's signed for 2 years after this, Chicago doesn't have to jump to get rid of him (and if it's that negative of a contract, it will increase in value as we get closer to the end). If he could be had for some combination of Lakers role players not including Reaves, it would have already happened.
 

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That may be true, but the Bulls don't know it (or aren't willing to admit it). He's signed for 2 years after this, Chicago doesn't have to jump to get rid of him (and if it's that negative of a contract, it will increase in value as we get closer to the end). If he could be had for some combination of Lakers role players not including Reaves, it would have already happened.
I mean there is a very real chance that the Lakers wouldn’t even offer that. Paying that much to Lavine for the next 3 years is no good.
 

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I mean there is a very real chance that the Lakers wouldn’t even offer that. Paying that much to Lavine for the next 3 years is no good.
What's the rush to deal from their end though? Nice little run aside, they're still 3 games under .500 and years away from contention. Of course they don't want to pay for Lavine, but his contract isn't what's keeping them from being relevant. His market is quiet now, but if Siakam and Murray are moved I would expect someone to take a shot on Lavine, still in his prime. If it's just a salary dump, they can wait until the summer rather than just exchanging one terrible contract for several mediocre ones now.
 

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Watching Nick Nurse whine at the end of this Philly-ATL game is reminding me of how much I disliked him in Toronto.
For whatever it's worth, he's apparently an awesome guy off the court. My buddy sent his kid to the same preschool as Nurse did, and Nurse would do pickup or dropoff most days and they'd shoot the shit and said Nurse couldn't be a nicer guy.
 

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Curry looks tired
But still drops 15 in the last 6 minutes with Caruso hounding him. Warriors manage to not gack up a big lead, for once.

Onto a matinee tomorrow in Milwaukee, with no Dray, CP3, Payton, or Moody. The regular season is brutal...
 
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Curry looks tired

Draymond has aged Steph 5-years this season
From my seat I see not having Draymond out there has aged Steph 5 years. At least when he was out at first they had Paul initiating.....now Steph is out there by himself without anyone getting him the ball in his spots.
 

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From my seat I see not having Draymond out there has aged Steph 5 years. At least when he was out at first they had Paul initiating.....now Steph is out there by himself without anyone getting him the ball in his spots.
Yea, he's having to do all the heavy lifting, plus he's played 36/38 games.

Steph hasn't played 70 games in a season since he was 28.
The NBA is going to run the OGs right into the ground
 

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For whatever it's worth, he's apparently an awesome guy off the court. My buddy sent his kid to the same preschool as Nurse did, and Nurse would do pickup or dropoff most days and they'd shoot the shit and said Nurse couldn't be a nicer guy.
That's great to hear.

I think a lot of us here, even/especially those who are great people, forget what utter assholes we become when playing or coaching competitive sports. And then we hold pros to a standard to which we'd never hold ourselves.
 

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Changing of the guard! Blockbuster!

Pistons trade Bagley, Livers and a couple 2nds to Wizards for Gallo and Muscala.
 

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The Knicks have battled through the tough part of their schedule, they have played 24 road games and 15 home games so far. 12 of their next 14 are at home, and the only two road games are Brooklyn and Charlotte.
 

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So a Celtics angle to that trade, if Gallo or Muscala is bought out they would now be eligible to sign with BOS I believe.
 

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So a Celtics angle to that trade, if Gallo or Muscala is bought out they would now be eligible to sign with BOS I believe.
Yeah, the Wizards become the team on record that traded them and will not be allowed to resign them.
Would love to sign Gallinari if he's allowed to go, give him that chance this time.
 

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Joe didn't seem to be a big Muscala fan first time around, if minutes played are any indication.

Anybody actually seen Gallo play this year?
Soft, slow and shooting poorly. Aside from that he's looked good.

Hard to take much out of anyone playing in a Wizards your turn/my turn pick-up game though. That style, in short bench minutes, don't really tell much but can't imagine any role for him here now that Hauser has established himself.
 

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Soft, slow and shooting poorly. Aside from that he's looked good.

Hard to take much out of anyone playing in a Wizards your turn/my turn pick-up game though. That style, in short bench minutes, don't really tell much but can't imagine any role for him here now that Hauser has established himself.
Exactly. He was a great teammate while he was here. That would be the only reason to bring him back. There are other contenders who could use him.