2023-2024 General NBA Season Thread

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Shouldn't more teams do this though?

The Jazz got decent assets, and weren't going anywhere. Any other team could have outbid the Lakers (the Wolves did indeed end up with Conley, who is far superior to DLo).
At the same time last year the Jazz were finishing up with their 8th loss in 11 games. This year they are finishing up their 12th win in 14. Yes, it is night and day from last year at this time. Log of shit quote if they act similarly to last year unless there are dramatic changes from now to the deadline.
I'm not even saying it was the wrong move for Utah to punt last year (or to do the same this year, they'll be lucky to clear the play in), just that from the perspective of someone that would really love it if one or both of the Lakers/Warriors were to finish out of the top 10, it was very annoying.
 

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I'm not even saying it was the wrong move for Utah to punt last year (or to do the same this year, they'll be lucky to clear the play in), just that from the perspective of someone that would really love it if one or both of the Lakers/Warriors were to finish out of the top 10, it was very annoying.
Yea, Vandy helped the Lakers establish a defensive identity last year. Thought Danny kind of threw him into the bigger deal.

I liked JV when he was getting $4MM, but not so much when Palinka extended him at $48MM over the next 4 yrs
 

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Yea, Vandy helped the Lakers establish a defensive identity last year. Thought Danny kind of threw him into the bigger deal.

I liked JV when he was getting $4MM, but not so much when Palinka extended him at $48MM over the next 4 yrs
Speaking of Pelinka missteps, he could have had Conley instead of DLo last year; LAL would look a lot better with Conley's shooting and ability to run team and ability to play defense.

Good thing he whiffed on that. https://sports.yahoo.com/lakers-chose-d-angelo-russell-140023584.html
 

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Speaking of Pelinka missteps, he could have had Conley instead of DLo last year; LAL would look a lot better with Conley's shooting and ability to run team and ability to play defense.
Yes, having players who are good at basketball is better than having players who are not good at basketball. Conley would have been a good fit.
 

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I'm not even saying it was the wrong move for Utah to punt last year (or to do the same this year, they'll be lucky to clear the play in), just that from the perspective of someone that would really love it if one or both of the Lakers/Warriors were to finish out of the top 10, it was very annoying.
Gotcha. Yeah Pelinka killed it at the deadline last year. Moving RWB to open up minutes and opportunity for Reaves, Vanderbilt and Hachimura slid perfectly into their roles and It all came together. This year Reaves may be worn down from his summer overseas or isn’t playing at same level for whatever reason while the latter two have been injured…..Vanderbilt has been truly awful since he’s come back while Hachimura has been good when he’s been available. Not sure what Pelinka can come up with this year though.
 

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Sorry, meant to say if it would be helpful if they DON'T punt on their season AGAIN. They traded Conley, Vanderbilt, Alexander-Walker and Beasley at the trade deadline, despite being just a half game out of 10th (and 2 games ahead of LA) and unsurprisingly went 8-14 after the ASB. It was annoying last year, and it'll be annoying if they do something similar this year. They're the hottest team in the league so it doesn't look like it, but we don't know. They are two games better than they were at this point last season, not exactly night and day.
Helpful to who? Not sure Ainge's primary responsibility is trading on the basis of making one opponent more competitive than another opponent. The Jazz might well be a playoff team this season, but if he can improve the Jazz's championship possibilities with a trade, he'd be helping his own team which is his only responsibility.
 

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Helpful to who? Not sure Ainge's primary responsibility is trading on the basis of making one opponent more competitive than another opponent. The Jazz might well be a playoff team this season, but if he can improve the Jazz's championship possibilities with a trade, he'd be helping his own team which is his only responsibility.
To me (hah) and anyone else that wants the Lakers/Warriors to not even get the D- grade that is the play-in tournament.

Speaking of the play-in, I've absolutely loved it, but if all teams don't see it as something worth pushing for, it's less fun. The Lakers and Heat both made long playoff runs after starting out in the play in, it's not a booby prize. There are 3 teams at the absolute bottom of the league (Pistons, Spurs, Wizards) and 3 that are just above them with no realistic shot of even the play-in (Hornets, Blazers, Grizzlies). Everyone else is within 1.5 games of the play-in, and just for entertainment purposes, it'd be best if they all tried to win down the stretch. Maybe this is just how's it's destined to be (veteran teams that spend the first 75% of the season underachieving turn on the gas in the home stretch against teams either tanking or resting for the playoffs), but I'm hoping for better, even if it isn't always in each individual team's best interest.
 

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76ers easy schedule + 22 HOME games. The second half of the season is going to be brutal.

76ers:
7-10 vs teams > .500
18-3 vs slop

Celtics:
17-7 vs teams > .500
14-2

Bucks
12-8 vs teams > .500
16-4
 

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If they can re-sign him, it's fine. He'll fit well on their roster. If it's a rental, it's awful because it still doesn't get them in the upper class of the EC. Siakam will help their defense, but if they have to give up Brown, it's not as much as a defensive upgrade as I'd like. Siakam is a big wing and plus defender, but he's not the sort of player to singlehandedly change one of the worst defensive teams in the league into a neutral one.
 

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I can’t really see him re-signing there off the bat, and he’s not a max guy…right? He’ll be 30.
 

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Embiid gets every call. If Shaq got the same treatment as him, he would have averaged 25 FTA per game.
 

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No way would I give up 3 firsts for a Siakam rental. They must have good intel he’ll re-sign, if they do this.
 

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No way would I give up 3 firsts for a Siakam rental. They must have good intel he’ll re-sign, if they do this.
I hear that and agree that’s a traditional valuation.

The Pacers last three 1sts are better than their next three if they resign Siakam, plus Hali etc. Those last three in the 12-25 range made by Indiana are Ben Sheppard: Julian Strawther; Jalen Pickett or Andrew Nembhard.

I get the risk the pick is higher
(Mathurin, for example, 6th overall)—-but if you believe you’re trading mid-late first Siakam’s worth more than a lot of them. Including their actual recent comparable picks….
 

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I hear that and agree that’s a traditional valuation.

The Pacers last three 1sts are better than their next three if they resign Siakam, plus Hali etc. Those last three in the 12-25 range made by Indiana are Ben Sheppard: Julian Strawther; Jalen Pickett or Andrew Nembhard.

I get the risk the pick is higher
(Mathurin, for example, 6th overall)—-but if you believe you’re trading mid-late first Siakam’s worth more than a lot of them. Including their actual recent comparable picks….
Yeah, it’s more about the capital for me. You make this deal and that’s basically it. I’m fine when these kinds of franchises make aggressive moves. We all laughed at Minny and now they’re the #1 seed at the midway point. But they got Gobert for multiple years so I’d want Siakam’s re-signed if I’m doing this. He’s not young but he probably has a few more good years in him.
 

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It seems like a really odd fit with Siakam on the Pacers. One of B.Brown, Turner or Hield needs to go out for salary purposes, plus another 2ish players to salary match. Brown or Hield leaving leaves them thin in the SG/SF position, while leaving the front court crowded. If you deal Turner, I don’t think it’s that much of an upgrade, let alone worth 3 firsts. If it goes through it feels like making a deal to make a deal
 

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Still a quarter to go...

Denver is a pro team -- they maintain their composure/regain momentum even when they are playing like dogpoop. While phil seems to wear down

Is it okay to look forward to DW returning to Colo late in the postseaon!

BTW: how DID jokic corral that pass he stole under the basket. Super stickum?

Sigh, I spoke too soon?
 
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Yeah, it’s more about the capital for me. You make this deal and that’s basically it. I’m fine when these kinds of franchises make aggressive moves. We all laughed at Minny and now they’re the #1 seed at the midway point. But they got Gobert for multiple years so I’d want Siakam’s re-signed if I’m doing this. He’s not young but he probably has a few more good years in him.
I imagine Indy & Siakam's agent will have the parameters of a deal in place if a trade is executed.

The Gobert deal will always be ridiculed, it was an overpay.
 

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Embiid gets every call. If Shaq got the same treatment as him, he would have averaged 25 FTA per game.
A lot of Embiid's moves are specifically designed to draw fouls, not score. Shaq never consistently went hunting only for fouls, although maybe he would have if he shot 85% from the line instead of 55%.

Embiid looked extremely fresh tonight, which happens when it's just your 2nd game in the last 10 days and 4th in the last 3.5 weeks. If he hits the 65 game threshold, he'll win MVP again.
 

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There's no Knicks thread this year, so I'll put this here.

Scene 1, 2018: Steve Ballmer wants to build an arena in Inglewood. James Dolan somehow owns the LA Forum, and sues him to stop its construction, on a "that would cost me money" legal theory. 2 years later, Ballmer just buys the Forum from him for $400M, probably double what it was worth, nuisance money to Ballmer, but in the course of it Dolan likely makes an enemy of one of the 10 richest men on earth.

Scene 2, March 2020: Weeks after finalizing the deal to sell the Forum, Dolan somehow comes down with the coronavirus, at a time when that was very bad news for fat 64 year olds. Survives.

Scene 3, Sept 2020: Staten Island Congressman criticizes Dolan's stewardship of the team; Dolan funds the campaign of his opponent out of spite.

Scene 4, Nov 2020 and May 2023: Federal appeals court reinstates (twice) Charles Oakley's lawsuit against Dolan for having Oakley violently thrown out of MSG in 2017 after Oakley had heckled Dolan.

Scene 5, Today: Dolan gets sued by a woman alleging Dolan sexually assaulted her back in 2013, and then basically arranges for Harvey Weinstein to do the same.

I'm sure these are all just coincidences, of course. An extended revenge-best-served-cold vendetta against one of the worst guys in sports would be just too big a leap. And yet, a guy can dream...
 

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A lot of Embiid's moves are specifically designed to draw fouls, not score. Shaq never consistently went hunting only for fouls, although maybe he would have if he shot 85% from the line instead of 55%.
This is such an excellent point. Shaq played nba basketball with the intent to viciously dunk the ball and physically destroy his opponent like 90% of the time he touched the ball. He treated getting like a hinderance as opposed to the goal. It's so different than all the foul baiting embiid does.
 

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The contested three followed by the blindside rip of Shai (it has to be a *little* personal for PG, right?) and coast-to-coast dunk to seal it was one of the more thrilling, random regular season sequences I’ve seen in a while.
 

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From the Kings blog after tonight’s crushing 4-23 meltdown in the last five minutes (for whoever it was that foresaw the “instant meme”)…

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