2023-2024 General NBA Season Thread

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If Hurley flops, there'll be a long line of big-time college programs eager to hire him. It's a no-lose proposition for him, unless he absolutely can't bear the thought of leaving Storrs.
If Andrea is on board, it’s a no brainer. He’s going. The lifestyle of an NBA coach is a lot better than in college. There’s no down time anymore with the transfer portal.
 

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UConn is a great place to be, especially if you're a successful basketball coach. Definitely not worth leaving if the alternative is Kentucky (for a long, long time now, UConn has been far superior to Kentucky). Coaching the Los Angeles Lakers is another animal altogether and RedOctober is right - it would be a no-brainer unless he simply did not want to leave Storrs under any circumstances. His wife - who Hurley has said many times over does not want to leave New England - would have to be on board though.
 

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Any thoughts as to what this could mean for Lebron? Early word at least was that Redick was his pick. Is there a chance he leaves LA now when he becomes a free agent?
 

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UConn is a great place to be, especially if you're a successful basketball coach. Definitely not worth leaving if the alternative is Kentucky (for a long, long time now, UConn has been far superior to Kentucky). Coaching the Los Angeles Lakers is another animal altogether and RedOctober is right - it would be a no-brainer unless he simply did not want to leave Storrs under any circumstances. His wife - who Hurley has said many times over does not want to leave New England - would have to be on board though.
She didn't want to leave New Jersey; New England was the compromise. But maybe LA and the Lakers are the exception to all that.
 

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Any thoughts as to what this could mean for Lebron? Early word at least was that Redick was his pick. Is there a chance he leaves LA now when he becomes a free agent?
I really doubt he's against it if this is how the Lakers are going. They are not that dysfunctional, unfortunately.

Really interesting development. He's obviously had success, but when was the last time a college coach came over to the NBA and had similar success? Brad was very good, and is a ninja in the front office. Donovan has been OK. The NIL aspect probably shrinks the difference a little, but it's still a transition dealing with kids to dealing with vets, the long season, etc.
 

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I could watch JJ and Lebron talk for hours. I guess I already have at this point.
If you told me 15 years ago that I would actively enjoy what JJ Redick has to say about anything, I would not have believed you. If you doubled down and told me that Redick was having a conversation with LeBron that I would be interested in, I would have thought you were a lunatic. But, it's 2024 and here we are.
 

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I could watch JJ and Lebron talk for hours. I guess I already have at this point.
LeBron needs to get the media jobs that espn is setting up for Draymond and Beverley.. get those idiots out of the booth and have people actually talk about the game in an intelligent way.
 

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If you told me 15 years ago that I would actively enjoy what JJ Redick has to say about anything, I would not have believed you. If you doubled down and told me that Redick was having a conversation with LeBron that I would be interested in, I would have thought you were a lunatic. But, it's 2024 and here we are.
I agree!

JJ by far the best in game analyst as he’s the first in many years in any sport that doesn’t run his mouth continually. Plus I thought cuz of my perceived idea about him that he’d be arrogant and come to find out he’s the opposite. Confident but humble.
 

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Why don’t the Lakers simply make LeBron player-coach?

It hasn’t been done in forever but as he’s approaching 40 why not.
 

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That's pretty surprising the "JJ Reddick building a staff' rumors last week, then Shams this week, were wrong.

Did the Lakers / Lebron have a last minute change of heart?
 

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Another fun element to this is that Shams is a Klutch Sports guy and Woj has known the Hurley family since writing a book about Bob Hurley and St. Anthony HS years ago. So Shams was likely carrying Lakers/LBJ water with his reporting while Woj's scoop likely came from the Hurleys.

Very curious to hear what happened. My guess is that the JJ reporting was premature and that the Lakers' brass very quietly met with Hurley to gauge his interest because neither side wanted to create issues with UConn or Redick via a publicized wooing.
 

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That's pretty surprising the "JJ Reddick building a staff' rumors last week, then Shams this week, were wrong.

Did the Lakers / Lebron have a last minute change of heart?
according to Woj he's been their #1 target for a while now. So...Redick as a smokescreen?

Have to wonder if Redick would agree to be an assistant coach for him. If he's a hot name now, but not able to close the deal, after a year or two as an assistant I'd guess he'd have a job of his choosing.
 

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Another fun element to this is that Shams is a Klutch Sports guy and Woj has known the Hurley family since writing a book about Bob Hurley and St. Anthony HS years ago. So Shams was likely carrying Lakers/LBJ water with his reporting while Woj's scoop likely came from the Hurleys.

Very curious to hear what happened. My guess is that the JJ reporting was premature and that the Lakers' brass very quietly met with Hurley to gauge his interest because neither side wanted to create issues with UConn or Redick via a publicized wooing.
Its impossible to know what is going on but the way this transpired feels like there could have been competing agendas. At least I am hoping for that. Lakers dysfunction is the best dysfunction ever so I want to believe.
 

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Maybe I’m wrong but this feels like it’ll end up similar to when the Lakers and Kobe pursued Coach K, or the Cavs with Tom Izzo.
 

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JJ by far the best in game analyst as he’s the first in many years in any sport that doesn’t run his mouth continually. Plus I thought cuz of my perceived idea about him that he’d be arrogant and come to find out he’s the opposite. Confident but humble.
JJ is also (IMO) trying to do something few other analysts do and that's educate people about basketball. Instead of just reinforcing narratives that the majority of color commentators do. (I think Scal does this too when tries to point out actions and defensive sets).

Why don’t the Lakers simply make LeBron player-coach?

It hasn’t been done in forever but as he’s approaching 40 why not.
Watching LBJ with JJ makes me wonder if LBJ wants to coach when he gets done.
 

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according to Woj he's been their #1 target for a while now. So...Redick as a smokescreen?

Have to wonder if Redick would agree to be an assistant coach for him. If he's a hot name now, but not able to close the deal, after a year or two as an assistant I'd guess he'd have a job of his choosing.
I think this would be the best route for JJ.

Head coach of the Lakers as a first time coaching gig is incredibly tough
 

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Unless JJ is just desperate to coach in any fashion, I don't see why he would leave his podcast/broadcasting job to be Hurley's assistant.

Seems like he's been getting traction as a potential head coach already and will get a head coaching job in the next year or two anyway. Might be a blessing in disguise for him honestly.

Would be funny if his podcast with Hurley and Lebron's Hurley approval somehow made the Lakers more comfortable doing this. Seems like an awkward fit to me, but who knows.

It's definitely possible this is just a way for Hurley to tighten the screws on UConn and max out his compensation there.
 

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I think there's probably union precedent against it, if I had to guess?
Yeah I think this is banned by the CBA, Larry Coon’s CBA FAQ says that player-coaches are not allowed under the current structure:
Incidentally, players are not allowed to become player-coaches. This is because it would be possible to circumvent the cap by signing a player as a player-coach, and paying him less as a player but overpaying him as a coach. The only payment a team can make to a player is for rendering services as a basketball player.
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q29
 

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Maybe I’m wrong but this feels like it’ll end up similar to when the Lakers and Kobe pursued Coach K, or the Cavs with Tom Izzo.
The only difference I see is the sheer magnitude of the dollars: the highest paid college and NBA coaches were not worlds apart years ago in real dollars (maybe relatively speaking), and the mentioned coaches basically used the NBA gigs to get their pay bumped up at their colleges. The Lakers could triple his UConn contract and he'd still fall well short of the highest contract in the NBA (Erik Spoelstra). UConn does not have the deep pockets of the blue blood football schools who are fine taking a larger loss on their basketball programs, but maybe they can somehow get to a number that would keep him around. Based on his wife's previous statements and his general family attitudes the delta would have to be quite large for Dan to uproot his lifestyle. So maybe an increase from $32 mil to around $50 mil?
 

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It doesn't matter who the Lakers coach is, that team isn't going anywhere. I'm surprised someone like Hurley, who could land a more stable NBA job somewhere else, would take the Laker job, given LeBron goes through coaches like bubblegum.
 

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The only difference I see is the sheer magnitude of the dollars: the highest paid college and NBA coaches were not worlds apart years ago in real dollars (maybe relatively speaking), and the mentioned coaches basically used the NBA gigs to get their pay bumped up at their colleges. The Lakers could triple his UConn contract and he'd still fall well short of the highest contract in the NBA (Erik Spoelstra). UConn does not have the deep pockets of the blue blood football schools who are fine taking a larger loss on their basketball programs, but maybe they can somehow get to a number that would keep him around. Based on his wife's previous statements and his general family attitudes the delta would have to be quite large for Dan to uproot his lifestyle. So maybe an increase from $32 mil to around $50 mil?
The other difference is that those two guys had been at their schools for ~25 years, while Hurley has only been at UConn for six.
 

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It doesn't matter who the Lakers coach is, that team isn't going anywhere. I'm surprised someone like Hurley, who could land a more stable NBA job somewhere else, would take the Laker job, given LeBron goes through coaches like bubblegum.
We always say this, and then some star demands a trade there and they get the inevitable bailout. They bungled three #2 picks in a row and still managed to get a championship right after it.

But yes, if I'm Hurley I don't want my entry into the NBA to be tied to Rui Hachimura and Austin Reaves.
 

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Why don’t the Lakers simply make LeBron player-coach?

It hasn’t been done in forever but as he’s approaching 40 why not.
Being a player-coach carries so many more responsibilities than it did 40 years ago. Interviews, pre-game media, post-game media to start. When it comes to the game how can LeBron communicate with his staff to make immediate decisions when he’s running up and down the floor? Replay reviews, substitution patterns, switching defenses every other time down the floor. I think it’s pretty same to say that we will never see another official player-coach in the NBA, or any professional league for that matter, again.
 

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Being a player-coach carries so many more responsibilities than it did 40 years ago. Interviews, pre-game media, post-game media to start. When it comes to the game how can LeBron communicate with his staff to make immediate decisions when he’s running up and down the floor? Replay reviews, substitution patterns, switching defenses every other time down the floor. I think it’s pretty same to say that we will never see another official player-coach in the NBA, or any professional league for that matter, again.
Beyond the responsibilities, I'd be very curious to see how a team would be allowed to compensate a player coach. Could they give Lebron a max extension as a player, then turn around and give him another $50M (not subject to luxury tax rules) for his coaching duties?
 

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Yeah I think this is banned by the CBA, Larry Coon’s CBA FAQ says that player-coaches are not allowed under the current structure:

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q29
But then:

Being a player-coach carries so many more responsibilities than it did 40 years ago. Interviews, pre-game media, post-game media to start. When it comes to the game how can LeBron communicate with his staff to make immediate decisions when he’s running up and down the floor? Replay reviews, substitution patterns, switching defenses every other time down the floor. I think it’s pretty same to say that we will never see another official player-coach in the NBA, or any professional league for that matter, again.
Beyond the responsibilities, I'd be very curious to see how a team would be allowed to compensate a player coach. Could they give Lebron a max extension as a player, then turn around and give him another $50M (not subject to luxury tax rules) for his coaching duties?
Further evidence relevant to this thread.
 

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I wish I could recall who it was, but I heard one of the worst takes of all-time today on Sirius. The guy was saying that the Hurley hiring would obviously be driven by the Lakers picking Bronny and wanting to maximize his development.
 

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I wish I could recall who it was, but I heard one of the worst takes of all-time today on Sirius. The guy was saying that the Hurley hiring would obviously be driven by the Lakers picking Bronny and wanting to maximize his development.
This popped up in some news aggregator I subscribe to as well, but it seemed written by bad AI. There's just no way in hell this is factoring into their decision. Long term player development, including Bronny and every other draft pick, sure, I guess.

Hurley kind of strikes me as a Harbaugh type. Runs a little too intense to be sustainable, but could get you where you want to go quickly. This would also run counter to any player development plan. I would also find it very unsurprising if this whole thing falls apart and he stays at UCONN.
 

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This popped up in some news aggregator I subscribe to as well, but it seemed written by bad AI. There's just no way in hell this is factoring into their decision. Long term player development, including Bronny and every other draft pick, sure, I guess.

Hurley kind of strikes me as a Harbaugh type. Runs a little too intense to be sustainable, but could get you where you want to go quickly. This would also run counter to any player development plan. I would also find it very unsurprising if this whole thing falls apart and he stays at UCONN.
I don't know what terms are being discussed but I would guess he's looking for like eight-plus years. Maybe he can pull a Brad Stevens at some point,
 

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Hurley kind of strikes me as a Harbaugh type. Runs a little too intense to be sustainable, but could get you where you want to go quickly. This would also run counter to any player development plan. I would also find it very unsurprising if this whole thing falls apart and he stays at UCONN.
Imagine Hurley in 8th gear on the sidelines for 80 games per year instead of 30? He’d induce 2-3 heart attacks a game by the viewers. For them that remember (and disliked) Pitino micro-managing on the sidelines as Celtics coach, IMO Hurley is in the next gear.

The only way he takes this job is if he’s looking for a way out of UConn and the NIL/Portal world. Well, that and 10 million a year.
 

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lol we know what's happening there.

Someone make an image of Ham standing behind Doc as he looks up into a mirror.
 

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If I'm Hurley, while the NIL/transfer portal world sucks, try to imagine coaching a group of guys when quite a few of them are making much more $$ than you. Think AD and LeBron are really going to defer to you as the coach if they don't like what's going on? How easy will it be to get buy in from guys making $20 million rather than some college freshman?

The NBA is a wildly different animal. There's lots of reasons why many (most?) successful college coaches struggle at the NBA level.
 

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As odd as it sounds, $70 million really is a cheap offer when Hurley's family is decidedly happy at his current position and he is likely to get UConn close to a wash with a raise when factoring in cost-of-living and taxes. The Lakers had to hit 9 digits for it to be an offer Dan couldn't refuse. But to be fair, a uniquely late-career LeBron problem that the Lakers are hedging is they are trying to find a coach both for the win-now period as well as the upcoming desert during the rebuilding period once LeBron retires. Putting out a boatload of cash for a coach who may be leading a doormat as soon as 2-3 years from now does not seem like a great investment.