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So what is the line for players leaving the court to take a rest?. I recall Tsitsipas getting criticized for overdoing last year to press a psychological advantage, but the announcers here are seemingly calling Nadal’s breaking Tiafoe’s momentum as totally reasonable.

Tiafoe also got hosed by having to serve through the roof closing.
 
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Yeah, Tiafoe played great. I got a little nervous after he got the break and was up 40-0 in his next service game, and then played 3 straight shit points, but he quickly bounced back
 

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Yeah, Tiafoe played great. I got a little nervous after he got the break and was up 40-0 in his next service game, and then played 3 straight shit points, but he quickly bounced back
He cited that exact time afterwards as when the weight of what he was doing hit him, he said his legs felt like concrete. But he pushed through, great win!!!
 

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Casper Ruud is two wins away from being #1, the rankings are a mess right now.
 
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I’ve actually really enjoyed this discussion of foot faults and ball change frequency. Some little things you don’t hear talked about in nuanced detail that much. And I was wondering how Hawkeye calls foot faults.
 

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The broadcasts have been pretty enjoyable. I mean, obviously they could use TCP. but I've enjoyed Blake and Mattek-Sands in particular.
 

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No one stayed up for Alcaraz/Cilic? It was a fun one, I thought Alcaraz was lucky to take it to five with Cilic handing him the third with a true choke job at 4-5, including an ill-fated underhand serve down 0-15.

In the 5th, Cilic broke to start but Alcaraz came back with 4 straight and served it out from there, one of the latest finishes ever at 2:23 AM (record is 2:26).

Alcaraz/Sinner quarter should be very fun, they played in the round of 16 at Wimbledon and Sinner won in 4.
 

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  • American men born after 1989 were previously 0-30 against Rafa, Roger Federer and Novak Djokovic in Grand Slams.

  • The last time none of Serena Williams or the Big 3 were in the quarterfinals at a Grand Slam was the 2003 US Open (which Roddick won).
 

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one of the latest finishes ever at 2:23 AM (record is 2:26).
I wonder if there's been any protest from players about these late starts/finishes? That kind of disruption to a sleep schedule in the middle of a tournament has got to effect their play going forward--even for younger players. And it's not like the earlier matches were so unusually long--the first ended in 3 sets, the second in 4.
 

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I wonder if there's been any protest from players about these late starts/finishes? That kind of disruption to a sleep schedule in the middle of a tournament has got to effect their play going forward--even for younger players. And it's not like the earlier matches were so unusually long--the first ended in 3 sets, the second in 4.
I don’t think it’s so different from baseball players playing a night game one day and a day game the next. Here the players get a day off in between (if they’re not playing doubles too) and I think the tournament tries to schedule them later in the day for the next match, presumably Alcaraz/Sinner will be a night match tomorrow if rain doesn’t push things farther back.
 

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Yea why does the US Open seem to have so many more late matches than any other tourney? Is it just perception since we know our time zones?
 

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There were complaints during the French Open, and those matches started and finished earlier (although one issue, the effect on the surface, is probably not a factor for the US Open):

There has been controversy surrounding French Open night sessions since their start in 2021, with players complaining about colder and slower conditions, along with a 9 p.m. starting time.

The men's quarterfinal between Rafael Nadal and Novak Djokovic did not finish until around 1:30 a.m., and Carlos Alcaraz, who was scheduled for multiple night sessions, said it was throwing off his schedule.
 

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Yea why does the US Open seem to have so many more late matches than any other tourney? Is it just perception since we know our time zones?
Happens frequently at the Oz open as well. I was there when Hewitt finished around 430am...had to teach a clinic at 8am to clients. They didnt get my best effort. In the past it could really only happen at the US/Oz opens because of the 3/5 set format and night sessions, which were only recently added at Roland Garros.
 

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Happens frequently at the Oz open as well. I was there when Hewitt finished around 430am...had to teach a clinic at 8am to clients. They didnt get my best effort. In the past it could really only happen at the US/Oz opens because of the 3/5 set format and night sessions, which were only recently added at Roland Garros.
Ah, thanks. I don't watch a ton (just follow news) so was unaware it's a thing elsewhere. Seems really rough on the athletes, but with matches lasting possibly so long probably unavoidable in the format.
 

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Ah, thanks. I don't watch a ton (just follow news) so was unaware it's a thing elsewhere. Seems really rough on the athletes, but with matches lasting possibly so long probably unavoidable in the format.
Yup. and if memory serves me correctly it used to be even more of a problem at the US Open, as they would schedule 3 matches for the day session on Ashe. If you had 3 tight matches it would often result in the night session starting later than scheduled.
 

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Yea why does the US Open seem to have so many more late matches than any other tourney? Is it just perception since we know our time zones?
Wimbledon has no night session and the French just started in 2021, that’s a big reason why the two hardcourt slams are my faves.
 

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Was really torn in this match. Like both players. Tomljanović was such a warrior during this tournament, but it’s impossible to root against Jabeur and what she means to the game.
 

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Was really torn in this match. Like both players. Tomljanović was such a warrior during this tournament, but it’s impossible to root against Jabeur and what she means to the game.
+1. All I knew is I was rooting for it to go 3 but cest la vie. Really hoping coco somehow takes out caro Garcia (whom I also really like) quickly so I can stay up for some of kgyrios khachanov
 

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Tennis isn’t a young woman’s game anymore. Garcia is far from the strongest woman on your, but she has probably been lifting weights since Gauff was in kindergarten. It showed.
 

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Tennis isn’t a young woman’s game anymore. Garcia is far from the strongest woman on your, but she has probably been lifting weights since Gauff was in kindergarten. It showed.
Well it can be. Coco did get this far, and did make the Finals in Paris; although as we all know Clay is almost a different Sport.

Honestly it felt like the final score tonight was closer than the matchup was. Garcia did spray the ball around a lot, but she just seemed so much more powerful on the court than Gauf. Coco does move exceptionally well. And Garcia played well, but honestly it didn't feel like she played great. Her first serve was only OK, and she did have a good number of bad unforced errors
 

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Yeah, both came out flat and Coco missed on so many big points. I don’t remember watching Garcia before but she seems hard to play, either she hits perfect winners or she misses by ten feet. Disappointing though by Coco, ah well.
 

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Karen recovers and takes the 3rd set 7-5. Nick having trouble serving the 5-6 game tonight. Got him twice. Could happen a 3rd time in the 4th set if he can’t break serve.
 

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The sound of rackets being smashed off camera while the announcers casually mention that Kyrgios is "punishing his frames...oh, there goes another one" was really a wonderful way to end that match.
 

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Tiafoe becomes the first American male into the US Open semifinals since Roddick in 2006.
 

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Those two tiebreakers from Tiafoe were incredible, Alcaraz has quite the road if he wants to win this, Sinner, Tiafoe and maybe Ruud.
 

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Tiafoe also became the first African American to reach a US Open semifinal since Arthur Ashe in 1972.
 

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Tiafoe also became the first African American to reach a US Open semifinal since Arthur Ashe in 1972.
This made me check James Blake, who made the US Open QFs in 2005 and 2006 (and the AO QF in 2008), but never a slam semi.

You mean best of 5. Oh god that could get really ugly. I am more concerned they will at some point move the Mens to Best of 3 which would suck
I did a deep dive on the 3-vs-5 divide a few years ago, and as best I can tell, the difference persists primarily because of TV schedules: if they had all the women play best-of-5 for all the rounds, they might not be able to get all the early-round matches in in their time window, but in particular they wouldnt' be able to get as many matches into their TV windows.

However, that shouldn't preclude them from moving to best-of-5 for at least the later rounds (say, R16 and up), when schedule congestion is much alleviated. I hope they'll do that. There is absolutely nothing athletically that would prevent women from playing best-of-5.

So the persistence of the divide amounts to "historical reasons, plus maybe some minor logistical ones, bolstered by a well-known history of sexism throughout the game".