In both cases, that's what the player/their representative requested. The point being: if it's debatable, the player gets to pick. That's the HOF's way of dealing with it.
2022 HOF Candidates: Ortiz and Papelbon First Time on Ballot
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I'm aware that it was their decision. My point is that instead of debates and discussions about which cap the player should be enshrined with, the simplest thing to do is just stop putting team logos on the caps at all.
I think that decision would be really unpopular among fans and teams. There's a reason why TB wanted Boggs to wear their hat.
I don’t think so, unless most of the people in this thread are in Asian or European time zones. Most of the posts are during the waking (or work) hours of the average American residing on the East coast.
Depending on where they live, their occupation, and certain other proclivities, Mueller's Twin Grannies was maybe on the edge, but RobertS975 & Bosoxian should definitely have been in bed.
I think we’re going along similar lines. Winfield did not want to go in as a MFY, mostly because of his issues with George, even though he’d spent more time with them. He really pushed the issue.
Then when Boggs essentially put his HOF cap up for sale (I knew someone else had done this, forgot it was Boggs), the HOF stepped in and said that they had final say
Thought this was pretty cool. The 7 Globe HOF voters are doing an hour long Zoom about the HOF voting process on Tuesday evening.
https://baseballhalloffame.splashthat.com/?fbclid=IwAR3S6zEBuUN-cVX4S7lWfDa_elqJDxo-iy0IRre-vAy6Z1DuTt7cqwz1ABg
https://baseballhalloffame.splashthat.com/?fbclid=IwAR3S6zEBuUN-cVX4S7lWfDa_elqJDxo-iy0IRre-vAy6Z1DuTt7cqwz1ABg
View: https://twitter.com/KenTremendous/status/1480925557927944199
6/7 for Ortiz. Hmmm, wonder who the lone dissenter is?
6/7 for Ortiz. Hmmm, wonder who the lone dissenter is?
His explanation is that Kent is the only worthy candidate without a hint of scandal or cheating on or off the field.
I know Kent and Bonds weren't buddies or anything, but I'll throw a whiff of cheating at him just for being on the same team. He saw a curious spike in his power numbers after arriving in San Fran and hit a career high in HR at age 34 playing home games in a decidedly unfriendly HR park.
To be truthful, I don't suspect or really care if he used anything. I just don't see how Shag can claim he's the only clean one because he was overshadowed on the drug front by his teammate. Maybe absent Bonds' presence, Kent gets more scrutiny for that power-surge.
That's quite a diss on Scott Rolen, who had pretty similar offensive numbers to Kent and significantly higher career WAR factoring in superior defense. Not that a dinosaur like Shank even is aware of that. I almost wonder if part of his internal rationale for the lone vote for Kent is to avoid getting lumped in with the blank ballot crowd. And going with Kent is also a subtle shot at Bonds.
Funny thing is the traditional big numbers (especially RBI) that Kent put up were in a significant way due to Uber Bonds batting in front of him.
With ~41% of the vote in, Papi has been selected on 83.6% of the known ballots and needs to be selected on ~69% of the remaining ballots to reach 75% for election:
https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?resid=F2E5D8FC5199DFAF!39939&ithint=file,xlsx&authkey=!AK9u16pmWGGlQsI
Twitter thread by HoF forecaster Jason Sardell. His model now has Papi getting elected in 98% of simulations, but he acknowledges that the model is likely overestimating Ortiz' support level as the greater % of private voters still out there likely have higher biases against 1st time candidates, DHs, suspected PED users etc. With that said, he's certainly doing a lot better to this point than I could have possibly hoped for. Crossing fingers.
View: https://twitter.com/sarsdell/status/1481062055775981569?s=20
Jason Sardell
@sarsdell
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With 159 ballots in
@NotMrTibbs
’s Tracker, it looks like there’s a very good chance David Ortiz will be elected to the Hall of Fame this year. But there are a few reasons to think that my model may be overestimating his chances.
Jason Sardell
@sarsdell
1st-time candidates are harder to predict, and my model has often overestimated support amongst the top players. Differences between final model prediction and actual results:
Roy Halladay: -4.7%
Jim Thome: -2.2%
Ivan Rodriguez: -1.0%
https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?resid=F2E5D8FC5199DFAF!39939&ithint=file,xlsx&authkey=!AK9u16pmWGGlQsI
Twitter thread by HoF forecaster Jason Sardell. His model now has Papi getting elected in 98% of simulations, but he acknowledges that the model is likely overestimating Ortiz' support level as the greater % of private voters still out there likely have higher biases against 1st time candidates, DHs, suspected PED users etc. With that said, he's certainly doing a lot better to this point than I could have possibly hoped for. Crossing fingers.
View: https://twitter.com/sarsdell/status/1481062055775981569?s=20
Jason Sardell
@sarsdell
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With 159 ballots in
@NotMrTibbs
’s Tracker, it looks like there’s a very good chance David Ortiz will be elected to the Hall of Fame this year. But there are a few reasons to think that my model may be overestimating his chances.
Jason Sardell
@sarsdell
1st-time candidates are harder to predict, and my model has often overestimated support amongst the top players. Differences between final model prediction and actual results:
Roy Halladay: -4.7%
Jim Thome: -2.2%
Ivan Rodriguez: -1.0%
I know 100 times over that I shouldn't take Shaughnessy's bait, but god that asshole really needs to not have a vote. He's such an embarrassment.
He has always been one of those guys that has some innate need to take the contrary side of everything! If you stated that water was wet, he'd argue with you.
Yep....that'd be the guy that spent his whole career batting behind Barry Bonds and Jeff Bagwell. Bet he NEVER saw a fastball......lol
View: https://twitter.com/mlbelites_/status/1484701410981662724
Saw this on Twitter, pretty great story. Man we are lucky the Twins gave up on him.
Saw this on Twitter, pretty great story. Man we are lucky the Twins gave up on him.
With about half of the ballots now having been made public, Big Papi is sitting at a comfortable 84%. The only other players in the running are Bonds and Clemens, who sit a tick over the 75 % threshold. Not sure why, but people who claim to be expert HOF "poll watchers" feel that those two will likely lose ground when the unpublished votes are finally revealed next Tuesday.
It’s actually this Tuesday. And from what I’ve read, voters who don’t announce their ballots early tend to lean to older, more traditional voters, who are less likely to look past PED stuff or ding a player for being a DH
I don't think you need to be an expert to draw that conclusion. They've both dropped significantly each year from pre-result public voting to the final tally. I actually think Papi will get in, but will be much closer than it currently looks, and I suspect Bonds and Clemens will miss by a not insignificant margin (probably right around 70%, woukd be my WAG) .
Could someone please clarify whether Chad Finn just (sideways) called the CHB a BDT in today's column?: https://www.boston.com/sports/commentary/2022/01/24/why-david-ortiz-should-be-one-of-the-easiest-yes-votes-for-the-hall-of-fame/?p1=hp_secondary
Ha, forgot about that! In my defense, he put up a 82 OPS+ in half a season for them, so pretty forgettable!
And it was directed at Skip Bayless. I did a double take then laughed out loud, spot on Chad.
So on the eve of the results being announced, Papi now needs an estimated 135 (66.2%) of the remaining undisclosed ballots cast to reach 75%. He actually did really well on the ballots that were revealed today, which brought him up to 84.6% of the total disclosed ballots:
View: https://twitter.com/NotMrTibbs/status/1485796640468262914?s=20
Ryan Thibodaux
@NotMrTibbs
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At 188 ballots/~48.0% known:
Ortiz - 84.6%
Bonds - 77.7%
Clemens - 76.6%
I still worry a bit that too many of those remaining ~204 ballots will be cast by fogies with axes to grind, but I'll take the fact that he's been building momentum into the announcement as a positive sign. At the very least, I think it's pretty clear that he's getting in through the writers' vote at some point, even if he ends up a bit shy of the mark this year.
View: https://twitter.com/NotMrTibbs/status/1485796640468262914?s=20
Ryan Thibodaux
@NotMrTibbs
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At 188 ballots/~48.0% known:
Ortiz - 84.6%
Bonds - 77.7%
Clemens - 76.6%
I still worry a bit that too many of those remaining ~204 ballots will be cast by fogies with axes to grind, but I'll take the fact that he's been building momentum into the announcement as a positive sign. At the very least, I think it's pretty clear that he's getting in through the writers' vote at some point, even if he ends up a bit shy of the mark this year.
He testified to the grand jury investigating Barry Bonds. (I think he also testified at his perjury trial.) His claim - that he paid $10,000 for “the clear” and “the cream” thinking that they were flax seed oil or some such nonsense - is absurd on its face, but it’s all baseball writers need to pretend that he isn’t a steroid user.
His best years were before the testing era and he was never suspended. Some writers see using steroids when it was encouraged by MLB as different than when it got you into trouble.
Deservedly so. He's always been borderline at best, and he was probably picking up votes just by being one of the non-PED suspected candidates. Then he was revealed to be a very toxic candidate himself.
Has anybody gone to Cooperstown for the induction before? If Papi gets in, I am seriously considering going. What's the lodging situation like?
Book early! It's in the middle of nowhere and there's not too many choices. We stayed at a nice bed and breakfast when visiting a few years ago but it wasn't during induction celebrations.
Rent a sleeper van or something similar. If you aren't already booked, you are probably going to have to stay an hour drive or more away.
There isn't enough demand the rest of the year to support the number of hotels the HoF ceremony requires.
There is also significant price gouging.
My grandfather and I went in 2001, but our experience was similar to what was previously posted. We ended up staying about an hour or so away because we didn't book early enough. I'd love to go back at some point. I'm hoping my 7 year old daughter will eventually fall in love with baseball like I did as a kid.
I have a half-empty bottle of olive oil in my cupboard I'd be willing to let go for $2,500.
Dan’s vote is always about himself.. there’s no reason he should still have one. He’s one of the reasons Boston sports radio was/is so absolutely miserable in an era where all Boston’s teams were doing was winning. He never got over his ‘curse’ being over and is happiest when the Sox are losing.