2022 HOF Candidates: Ortiz and Papelbon First Time on Ballot

Leather

given himself a skunk spot
SoSH Member
Jul 18, 2005
27,547
Or maybe the plaques honoring Mike Mussina and Roy Halladay will become the norm in the future. The caps on their plaques have no team logo at all.
In both cases, that's what the player/their representative requested. The point being: if it's debatable, the player gets to pick. That's the HOF's way of dealing with it.
 

Red(s)HawksFan

Member
SoSH Member
Jan 23, 2009
15,590
Maine
In both cases, that's what the player/their representative requested. The point being: if it's debatable, the player gets to pick. That's the HOF's way of dealing with it.
I'm aware that it was their decision. My point is that instead of debates and discussions about which cap the player should be enshrined with, the simplest thing to do is just stop putting team logos on the caps at all.
 

Leather

given himself a skunk spot
SoSH Member
Jul 18, 2005
27,547
I'm aware that it was their decision. My point is that instead of debates and discussions about which cap the player should be enshrined with, the simplest thing to do is just stop putting team logos on the caps at all.
I think that decision would be really unpopular among fans and teams. There's a reason why TB wanted Boggs to wear their hat.
 

Philip Jeff Frye

Member
SoSH Member
Oct 23, 2001
8,433
I'm aware that it was their decision. My point is that instead of debates and discussions about which cap the player should be enshrined with, the simplest thing to do is just stop putting team logos on the caps at all.
Are people really losing that much sleep over this?
 

OCD SS

Well-Known Member
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Are people really losing that much sleep over this?
I don’t think so, unless most of the people in this thread are in Asian or European time zones. Most of the posts are during the waking (or work) hours of the average American residing on the East coast.

Depending on where they live, their occupation, and certain other proclivities, Mueller's Twin Grannies was maybe on the edge, but RobertS975 & Bosoxian should definitely have been in bed.
 

Bosoxian

lurker
Aug 17, 2021
48
I recall this differently.

I thought it came to head (no pun intended) when Wade Boggs signed with TB. One of the terms in his contract was that he would go in with a TB Ray cap. The Hall didn't take too kindly to someone being able to monetize the honor.
I think we’re going along similar lines. Winfield did not want to go in as a MFY, mostly because of his issues with George, even though he’d spent more time with them. He really pushed the issue.
Then when Boggs essentially put his HOF cap up for sale (I knew someone else had done this, forgot it was Boggs), the HOF stepped in and said that they had final say
 

Red(s)HawksFan

Member
SoSH Member
Jan 23, 2009
15,590
Maine
Jeff Kent is the only guy the CHB voted for?
His explanation is that Kent is the only worthy candidate without a hint of scandal or cheating on or off the field.

I know Kent and Bonds weren't buddies or anything, but I'll throw a whiff of cheating at him just for being on the same team. He saw a curious spike in his power numbers after arriving in San Fran and hit a career high in HR at age 34 playing home games in a decidedly unfriendly HR park.


To be truthful, I don't suspect or really care if he used anything. I just don't see how Shag can claim he's the only clean one because he was overshadowed on the drug front by his teammate. Maybe absent Bonds' presence, Kent gets more scrutiny for that power-surge.
 

Deweys New Stance

Well-Known Member
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Jul 8, 2001
1,729
Here to Eternity
His explanation is that Kent is the only worthy candidate without a hint of scandal or cheating on or off the field.
That's quite a diss on Scott Rolen, who had pretty similar offensive numbers to Kent and significantly higher career WAR factoring in superior defense. Not that a dinosaur like Shank even is aware of that. I almost wonder if part of his internal rationale for the lone vote for Kent is to avoid getting lumped in with the blank ballot crowd. And going with Kent is also a subtle shot at Bonds.
 

Dahabenzapple2

Mr. McGuire
SoSH Member
Jun 20, 2011
8,520
Wayne, NJ
That's quite a diss on Scott Rolen, who had pretty similar offensive numbers to Kent and significantly higher career WAR factoring in superior defense. Not that a dinosaur like Shank even is aware of that. I almost wonder if part of his internal rationale for the lone vote for Kent is to avoid getting lumped in with the blank ballot crowd. And going with Kent is also a subtle shot at Bonds.
Funny thing is the traditional big numbers (especially RBI) that Kent put up were in a significant way due to Uber Bonds batting in front of him.
 

Deweys New Stance

Well-Known Member
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Jul 8, 2001
1,729
Here to Eternity
With ~41% of the vote in, Papi has been selected on 83.6% of the known ballots and needs to be selected on ~69% of the remaining ballots to reach 75% for election:
https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?resid=F2E5D8FC5199DFAF!39939&ithint=file,xlsx&authkey=!AK9u16pmWGGlQsI

Twitter thread by HoF forecaster Jason Sardell. His model now has Papi getting elected in 98% of simulations, but he acknowledges that the model is likely overestimating Ortiz' support level as the greater % of private voters still out there likely have higher biases against 1st time candidates, DHs, suspected PED users etc. With that said, he's certainly doing a lot better to this point than I could have possibly hoped for. Crossing fingers.

View: https://twitter.com/sarsdell/status/1481062055775981569?s=20


Jason Sardell
@sarsdell
·
3h
With 159 ballots in
@NotMrTibbs
’s Tracker, it looks like there’s a very good chance David Ortiz will be elected to the Hall of Fame this year. But there are a few reasons to think that my model may be overestimating his chances.

Jason Sardell
@sarsdell
1st-time candidates are harder to predict, and my model has often overestimated support amongst the top players. Differences between final model prediction and actual results:
Roy Halladay: -4.7%
Jim Thome: -2.2%
Ivan Rodriguez: -1.0%
 

donutogre

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 20, 2005
2,591
Philadelphia
I know 100 times over that I shouldn't take Shaughnessy's bait, but god that asshole really needs to not have a vote. He's such an embarrassment.
 

RobertS975

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 28, 2005
154
I know 100 times over that I shouldn't take Shaughnessy's bait, but god that asshole really needs to not have a vote. He's such an embarrassment.
He has always been one of those guys that has some innate need to take the contrary side of everything! If you stated that water was wet, he'd argue with you.