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I think these Tua takes are pretty fair.

A question, maybe more for the draftniks on the board.

You say that Tua isn't physically elite. And yet, he was projected as the consensus (?) #1 pick prior to his injury. Obviously guys like Peyton Manning and Joe Burrow weren't exactly physically elite either and they both went #1 and become great. But was Tua more athletic prior to his injury?

This is all kind of a long way of me asking whether he should have ever been considered the #1 pick, and if he was likely overdrafted / overrated coming out. These characterizations seem pretty similar to Mac, to be honest, who probably went where he "should" have at 15. Obviously if Miami could have a do-over they'd take Herbert, but ignoring that, should Tua really have been a top 5 or even a top 10 pick?
I think that Tua was rated very highly due to production, efficiency, and winning. Here’s Lance Zerlien’s scouting report:

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/tua-tagovailoa/32005441-4762-0344-3a46-269f5e5e854e

I think seeing his game now, people probably overrated his ability to read defenses. I also don’t think that we’ve seen Tua in an offense (before this year) that really highlights what he can do well. Whether by design or by choice, I think Tua is more athletic and mobile than he’s displayed.

If he has time, Tua can carve defenses up if his guys are getting open and he’s on time. If he has to start going through multiple reads or he has to start going off platform, the holes in his game start to show.

I think this offense is his best chance to succeed as a pro and may highlight some of his athleticism getting him outside the pocket and on the move more frequently.
 

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I think these Tua takes are pretty fair.

A question, maybe more for the draftniks on the board.

You say that Tua isn't physically elite. And yet, he was projected as the consensus (?) #1 pick prior to his injury. Obviously guys like Peyton Manning and Joe Burrow weren't exactly physically elite either and they both went #1 and become great. But was Tua more athletic prior to his injury?

This is all kind of a long way of me asking whether he should have ever been considered the #1 pick, and if he was likely overdrafted / overrated coming out. These characterizations seem pretty similar to Mac, to be honest, who probably went where he "should" have at 15. Obviously if Miami could have a do-over they'd take Herbert, but ignoring that, should Tua really have been a top 5 or even a top 10 pick?
To me, I think we’re currently within a paradigm shift…Tua (from what we’ve seen) sort of encompasses the old guard, he was productive in college, accurate, had a high floor….but I’m of the belief that it’s never been easier to find competent QB play within the league. There was a time where you didn’t draft “projects” at the position high, but with the proliferation and specialization of the passing game across all levels, to me it makes sense to draft for elite physical tools, teach and build an offense around them.

I’m rooting for Tua and I haven’t given up on him, but if I’m drafting a QB in the 1st round, I certainly wouldn’t be drafting a guy at his height that lacks elite physical traits. If you have a good system; it’s not difficult to find competency, so if I’m making a significant investment, in looking for something more.
And having having said that, I had no problem with the team taking Tua, so for me, it really this is a belief that’s solidified itself in the last couple years. I do think Mac is similar, but the Patriots also lucked out a bit where it did make sense where he was taken.
 

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Hoooooooly hell what a swing in momentum. Miami gets the fourth and goal stop and absolutely marches down the field and ties the game up. This game was all Baltimore until that goal line stand.

Defense setting the tone and the offense suddenly roars to life.
 

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Hoooooooly hell what a swing in momentum. Miami gets the fourth and goal stop and absolutely marches down the field and ties the game up. This game was all Baltimore until that goal line stand.

Defense setting the tone and the offense suddenly roars to life.
I think I fell asleep during the part of the game you’re describing.
 

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I’m done with Tua.
I mean, Tua has not been great, but special teams and the defense have been worse.

Josh Boyer, the Ravens were embarrassed on a national stage by the cover zero and they spent the offseason making sure it wouldn’t happen again. Dial something else up.
 

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Did I say, done with Tua? I meant to say, Done with my tuna fish sandwhich.

Do I get credit for some sort of reverse jinx? Lol Seriously though, this game is insane. My frustration earlier were the plays that seemed to indicate a lack of awareness. Could have never fathomed things playing out like they have since then…
 

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Tua went absolute beast mode in the second half.

Hit Tyreek on two long TDs and then marched the team down with two minutes and threw his 6th TD pass of the game to win it.

Mac Jones could never.

That was the Tua we’ve been waiting three years to see. Ice cold in the second half and absolutely dealing.

Huge shoutout to the defense for stuffing the Ravens on fourth down several times. Harbaugh going for it on fourth and short up 14 was probably a dumb decision in retrospect.
 

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To be fair, at least one of those TDs a high school kid could have hit Tyreek. There wasn't anyone within 15 yards of him.
 

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To be fair, at least one of those TDs a high school kid could have hit Tyreek. There wasn't anyone within 15 yards of him.
The ball to Gesicki, the TD to Cracraft where he spun out of pressure, and the last TD to Waddle were all plus plays from Tua.

The Gesicki TD the Ravens dropped 9 into coverage and Tua still threw a strike to the back of the end zone. That’s insane.
 

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Biggest takeaway besides Tua, Tyreek, and Waddle are good should be Mike McDaniel is also good. He’s pulling all the right levers at the right time. The run from Chase Edmonds to set up the game winning TD is a perfect example.

We’ve seen frauds in Miami before. Guys that were near greatness at the right time and place. Cam Cameron, Joe Philbin, Adam Gase. Mike McDaniel is not those guys. That comeback is a game that would have ended up 56-14 most other years. They never gave up. They never quit. The Ravens were the ones that eventually broke.
 

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Biggest takeaway besides Tua, Tyreek, and Waddle are good should be Mike McDaniel is also good. He’s pulling all the right levers at the right time. The run from Chase Edmonds to set up the game winning TD is a perfect example.

We’ve seen frauds in Miami before. Guys that were near greatness at the right time and place. Cam Cameron, Joe Philbin, Adam Gase. Mike McDaniel is not those guys. That comeback is a game that would have ended up 56-14 most other years. They never gave up. They never quit. The Ravens were the ones that eventually broke.
These two pieces go hand in hand. And, I promise I'm not trying to be the turd in the punchbowl. But trying to take too much out of that game - like that McDaniels is good and, "pulling all the right levers at the right time" - feels really silly.

Literally 50% of their yards and four of their six TDS came with 12 minutes left in the 4th. I'm not sure repeated "50+ yard bomb for a TD down multiple scores!" is the place he'll want to hang his hat.

Having pass plays of 60, 48, 33, and 21 yards in the final 12 minutes is great. And it's good to know Tua has the arm to do it. But those are highly volatile plays (the first two, anyway), and ones that most non-Flacco teams don't try to build their offense around.

I'd be happy taking the win, the knowledge that Tua can hit the deep ball, and that the wide receivers are who we thought they were. But, I would personally be putting a little more weight into the 3+ quarters of play over what is clearly an anomaly in the history of football.
 

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These two pieces go hand in hand. And, I promise I'm not trying to be the turd in the punchbowl. But trying to take too much out of that game - like that McDaniels is good and, "pulling all the right levers at the right time" - feels really silly.

Literally 50% of their yards and four of their six TDS came with 12 minutes left in the 4th. I'm not sure repeated "50+ yard bomb for a TD down multiple scores!" is the place he'll want to hang his hat.

Having pass plays of 60, 48, 33, and 21 yards in the final 12 minutes is great. And it's good to know Tua has the arm to do it. But those are highly volatile plays (the first two, anyway), and ones that most non-Flacco teams don't try to build their offense around.

I'd be happy taking the win, the knowledge that Tua can hit the deep ball, and that the wide receivers are who we thought they were. But, I would personally be putting a little more weight into the 3+ quarters of play over what is clearly an anomaly in the history of football.
Yea I don’t think you can dial up the busted coverage play every game. Like I said, the run play within the two minute drill, using split zone to draw the LB to the opposite side of the formation is absolutely pulling the lever at the right time.

Also running the depleted Ravens secondary ragged until your superstar receivers are running wild through their gassed defense isn’t a coincidence. That’s a feature of the system, not a bug.

Funny because listening to some podcasts and coverage of the games, more people were willing to jump into the Mike McDaniel might be really good water and less were willing to jump into the Tua has Arrived waters.
 

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How yesterday's events unfolded for me:

- Jackson runs in for the very long score; Ravens go up 35-14. The friend/classmate I'm watching the game with, who also happens to be a Ravens fan, twists her trash-talking knife.
- For the sake of our friendship and my dignity, I opt to walk away from the screen. We head to the vegan festival in Worcester earlier than planned.
- Driving/score watching: 35-21. "Well, okay. At least they're showing some fight/self-respect." 35-28. "Okay, even better. But likely too little, too late. Though, man, there's a lot of time left." 35-35. I spend the next 20 minutes standing in line for food while we both yell/scream at my phone. (FYI: I love NFL Sunday Ticket!)

What a game! And so, so needed for Tua moving forward. Am I ready to crown him the QB for the next decade? Not quite yet, but this is a giant step in that direction.

A few additional thoughts on that:

- I've always been enamored with Tua's quick decision-making and short-to-mid-game accuracy. I think he can be elite here. He's already really good. Waddle's dynamite game is recognized, but he still dropped at least 2 well-placed throws that were quite big at the time.
- The deep ball? This was never an issue for me. I always knew he'd be good enough here. Media/fans overrate the significance of that aspect of QB play.
- Out of everything I saw and reviewed today, I am most excited/encouraged about how Tua demonstrated the ability to PLAY-MAKE, via extending the play, navigating the pocket, and making an accurate throw on the run. WE WERE TOLD THAT HE COULD NOT DO THIS! Well, that's not true. Yesterday was our first true glimpse of "Alabama Tua," which coincidentally has coincided with more time removed from his significant injury and improved surroundings (weapons/coaching).

Next week's game will tell us quite a bit, won't it? After all, it's in Miami.

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This is a short watch and quite hilarious:

 
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Bills week. I would be pleasantly shocked if Miami pulls out a win versus Buffalo. The Bills look like they’re on the express train to the Super Bowl right now and the offense does not appear to be missing Brian Daboll.

That being said, I would hope it’s a competitive game at home. Seeing Miami lay an egg again versus Buffalo would be pretty disheartening after what we’ve seen the first two weeks.

I would hope we see the offense continue to play efficiently. The defense remains the concern as Josh Allen and Diggs have been the boogeymen for Josh Boyer and Brian Flores the last few years. Missing Byron Jones doesn’t help, but maybe this is the second chapter in Kader Kohou’s origin story.

The win versus Baltimore ensures that Miami emerges from their four game gauntlet to start the year at no worse than 2-2. The Bengals look to be reeling, but we play them on a short week on the road, so I would absolutely not discount that being a tough game as well.
 

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I’ll be extremely interested to see what McDaniel has planned against an opponent that primarily runs a base defense. I think the world of him, and if there’s ever a chance for genius to shine, it’s when you know exactly what your opponent is going to do, and what they do is meant to contain your strengths.
If McDaniel can devise a way to get this Bills defense scrambling, I’ll be downright giddy for what the future holds, regardless of what the final score winds up on Sunday.
 

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I’ll be extremely interested to see what McDaniel has planned against an opponent that primarily runs a base defense. I think the world of him, and if there’s ever a chance for genius to shine, it’s when you know exactly what your opponent is going to do, and what they do is meant to contain your strengths.
If McDaniel can devise a way to get this Bills defense scrambling, I’ll be downright giddy for what the future holds, regardless of what the final score winds up on Sunday.
I think it’s pretty straightforward. Miami’s offense has been extremely effective in 11 personnel. If Micah Hyde is going to be out, which I believe he is, and two rookies are going to start at corner, that’s your answer. After last week, I don’t think the Bills will be brave enough to dare Tua to beat them deep with Tyreek and squat on everything short.

They’re going to hope to drop 7 and rush 4 and hope that Von and the D Line can get to Tua before Tyreek and Waddle get to their secondary.

That, in turn, should open up the running game like we saw on the final drive.

This is the evolution of the offense we’re going to see. Teams do not have the horses to run with Miami. As long as Tua continues to push the ball downfield, defensive coordinators are going to be in a real bind figuring out how to slow this offense down.

Edit:Micah Hyde, Ed Oliver, Jordan Phillips, and Dane Jackson all out for Buffalo’s defense. It might be an 80+ point game. Hammer the over.
 
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Yes, I’ve been kind of thinking we’ll see more running than we have thus far…whether it will be successful or not, I don’t know, but I think it will at least be a focus coming in.

I’d expect lots of flood concepts, putting pressure on the zones, especially the guys with less experience. I think we also see traditional route concepts, but guys running from spots you wouldn’t usually see - like Hill in the backfield, or in right at the line and running the TE route etc. Then, if the line is somehow holding up, I think you can see some big plays running digs off that, or other concepts stretching the field horizontally this week. Or at least, that’s what makes sense to me off the top of the head…
The exciting part is knowing you do have a guy that isn’t likely to come in each week with a mostly static gameplan regardless of opponent.
 
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Given the performances I’ve watched from both of these teams the first two weeks, I think the Bills will win by at least two touchdowns. The phins looked ok beating the Patriots and had a spectacular 4th quarter vs the Ravens, but the Bills look DOMINANT. 38-24.
 

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This might be Miami’s week. Both Poyer and Hyde will be out, along with two rookie CBs and Phillips and Oliver.

Though the final score usually doesn’t reflect it, Miami’s defense has managed to hold the Bills offense in check for a half at a time in the past. It’s just usually the dam breaks because the offense does nothing against the Bill’s defense and eventually Josh Allen and Diggs find a way.

I think today, if the defense can get a few stops out of the Bills, which they have done, the offense is good enough to capitalize.

I think it’s still a close, high scoring game, but I think Miami squeaks this one at home.
 

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Late shot from Matt Milano knocked Tua out of the game. I think Tua misses the rest of this game and Thursday is certainly in doubt as well.

Teddy Bridgewater looked like he’s never seen an NFL field in 3 pass attempts, so this one is looking bad.
 

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That was one of the greatest defensive performances I’ve ever seen…they were on the field that whole second half.
To not have had more breakdowns or penalties out of sheer exhaustion is incredible.
 

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The defense played fucking HUGE. I have no idea how they didn’t break. That was sheer will. Everyone left everything out there. Hats off to the Bills as well. They battled their asses off. I was pulling my hair out that they kept dialing up cover zero and letting up easy completions, but Boyer adjusted.

Tua must have memorized the concussion exam questions. I don’t know how he came back in. The offense didn’t do too much. Tua delivered that strike to Waddle that set up the TD. I was less than thrilled with McDaniel’s final play calls. I think that was his worst game, but he did dial up that beauty of a call to Waddle on third and 25.

Miami the only undefeated team in the AFC and winning a game versus Buffalo is gigantic for both playoffs and getting the gorilla off their backs.
 

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View: https://twitter.com/adamschefter/status/1574143846702845952?s=46&t=zrAX8oC_JmFuu_9EZi2cEQ


Tua and McDaniel said after the game that Tua’s back is why he stumbled and had to be taken out of the game. He got bent in half on a QB sneak earlier in the game.

Tua said when took the hit from Milano, he said he hit his back then his head. Also, Miami doesn’t evaluate Tua for a concussion, the league appointed evaluator does. So this isn’t a case of Miami letting Tua back on the field. He also seemed fine in the second half.

Either way, I would be very surprised to see this team win Thursday night. They emptied the tank to beat Buffalo. Going on the road on a short week after a game like that is a huge ask.
 
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Either way, I would be very surprised to see this team win Thursday night. They emptied the tank to beat Buffalo. Going on the road on a short week after a game like that is a huge ask.
I was impressed by the Bengals D today but you guys should be all over Burrow.