2022 Dolphins: Our coach is cooler than yours

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What’s wrong with me not wanting an NFL coach vaping on the sideline during a nationally televised playoff game?
 

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People are posting old pics of guys who smoked. That's funny. We're having fun.

Just funnin' around. Ya know, because no one is suggesting that the NFL should actively advocate a pro-nicotine position.
Jesus christ, you want to have fucking fun? You are history's greatest monster.
 

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I don’t see how this is any different than if he had a fat lip in.

Like, it’s funny to imagine McDaniel on the sideline taking a quick hit of purple berry cake blast vape juice - but is it materially any different than dipping? Would anyone be screaming to the high heavens if it was a water bottle spitter he was bringing to his lips?
 

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A coach vaping on the sideline is the literal least of the NFL’s messaging issues? Literal? Really…?
I'm a strict "you're probably using literally wrong" kind of guy. But when one lists "NFL messaging issues," among things that are actually issues, a coach vaping on the sidelines might be at the bottom of that list. Literally.
 

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What’s wrong with me not wanting an NFL coach vaping on the sideline during a nationally televised playoff game?
You think there's kids out there that see an NFL coach hit his vape, and THATS what makes them want to start? Not all of their friends that do it, the TV shows that show young kids doing it, the shit plastered all over every convenient store...it's cool cat Mike McDaniels?

Also, let's take a little step back. He wasn't walking up and down the sidelines puffing it in the open. He clearly was trying to hide it. And I'll go a step further into conspiracy territory and say that the studio directors (and probably the NFL) are aware of it. They cut away FAST once he brought that to his lips.
 

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I've got to say if he was vaping and it was marijuana i'd think about canning the guy. Not because of the children or the image or anything, just I really don't want my head coach on drugs during a game. (same would guy if they were sneaking a shot out of a flask).
 

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I've got to say if he was vaping and it was marijuana i'd think about canning the guy. Not because of the children or the image or anything, just I really don't want my head coach on drugs during a game. (same would guy if they were sneaking a shot out of a flask).
Not to mention the fact that players get tested for marijuana, and fined/suspended if they fail that test.

That said, I highly (ha!) doubt that it was weed that he was vaping.
 

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I really can’t fathom it being weed. Likely a quick hit of nicotine to calm the nerves in his first playoff game as an HC. One that he thought he could sneak by the cameras, etc. quickly. And not even remotely a firing offense, FFS.
 

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I really can’t fathom it being weed. Likely a quick hit of nicotine to calm the nerves in his first playoff game as an HC. One that he thought he could sneak by the cameras, etc. quickly. And not even remotely a firing offense, FFS.
ALL THE MILLENIALS ARE SMOKING THE WEED ALL THE TIME.
 

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I've got to say if he was vaping and it was marijuana i'd think about canning the guy. Not because of the children or the image or anything, just I really don't want my head coach on drugs during a game. (same would guy if they were sneaking a shot out of a flask).
I had said the same thing earlier, but I doubt it was. And, even if it was, there's no way to prove it. Not without the NFL forcing the issue - which they wont (and shouldn't).

I'd like to think that he was privately warned and, going forward, will be disciplined if he can't keep his binky in the locker room. I'm sure the dude can make it for 2 quarters of football without a little puff.
 

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For me, the concern wouldn’t be the messaging to kids or the encouragement of smoking, it’s just a lack of discipline that’s inappropriate for a coach. A game is 3-4 hours. Don’t indulge your vices while leading other men through pain and privation.
 

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For me, the concern wouldn’t be the messaging to kids or the encouragement of smoking, it’s just a lack of discipline that’s inappropriate for a coach. A game is 3-4 hours. Don’t indulge your vices while leading other men through pain and privation.
It’s also kind of a bad look when you are one of the youngest coaches in the league. I think McDaniel seems pretty talented and very bright and I agree with others who think it was probably nicotine, but the idea that he could have been hitting weed with his whole season on the line? In a league that suspends Josh Gordon 700 times for using marijuana, I do think that’s a fireable offense.

I’ll ask this again: but has anyone actually asked him about this? Has the team commented on it?
 

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On the other hand, if it was pot that would explain his answers in postgame press conferences
 

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I think I'm done with the having of the vaping conversation.

After considering it extensively, I think I've decided I do not give a shit.

But that's not my reason for posting. Remember how Gostkowski used to use smelling salts before kicking off? This reminded me of that. I always thought that was bad ass.
 

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My brother-in-law who is in his mid-30s and is a heavy marijuana user vapes basically from the second he gets up until he goes to bed, including throughout his work day, and if you ran into him during that time you wouldn't know it (later on in the evening after he eats the massive dose of edibles he takes it is a different story). He claims it helps calm his anxiety and helps him focus on work better, and is outside and walking around a college campus quite a bit for his job so he has ample opportunity to vape without anyone noticing. He's been very successful in his career, so who knows? I enjoy edibles but could not function at work on them, but to each their own I guess. Although I think most employers would frown on on-the-job drug usage (or alcohol for that matter) if they knew about it.

That said, if that is was McD was doing, I'd probably stick to an edible or try to keep the vaping to the locker room as optically it is a bad look for him and the NFL. It isn't a major offense but whether it was nicotine or weed my guess is he has been warned not to let it happen again on the sidelines.
 

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For me, the concern wouldn’t be the messaging to kids or the encouragement of smoking, it’s just a lack of discipline that’s inappropriate for a coach. A game is 3-4 hours. Don’t indulge your vices while leading other men through pain and privation.
So then where do you fall on Nicotine gum? You know Pete Carroll is crushing reams of it every game.

And you're acting like the players don't get hydration and nutrients during the game. They can eat and drink during the game if necessary. It's not like these guys are two way players. There is plenty of time to fuel up on the sidelines at any point. And are you sure players aren't using nicotine during the games?
 

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So then where do you fall on Nicotine gum? You know Pete Carroll is crushing reams of it every game.

And you're acting like the players don't get hydration and nutrients during the game. They can eat and drink during the game if necessary. It's not like these guys are two way players. There is plenty of time to fuel up on the sidelines at any point. And are you sure players aren't using nicotine during the games?
I’m not sure whether players are using nicotine, but I don’t equate it with food and water. It’s just about respect, I’d be pissed if I was training or competing and my coach was smoking or having a beer at that time. I can see someone disagreeing, but it’s a bit of a culture fail.
 

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Boyer canned.
Honestly, a relief. He had two hands tied behind his back at times with all of the injuries to the defense, but in my opinion, he failed to adapt to Miami’s change in personnel.

Miami has one of the best defensive line units in the game and they had a secondary with Crossen, Bethel, and Kohou taking a wild amount of snaps. He was still calling plays and coverages like he has prime Xavien Howard and Byron Jones out there on islands.

Miami need to shift to a more zone heavy scheme and let Wilkins, Chubb, and Phillips be the bedrock of the defense now.
 

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Its no more than a probable fine for violating a league rule. To the NFL, its like wearing the non-official brand of fedora to pay homage to George Halas.



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Yeah that takes me back to the Mad Men pilot. Don asks him how cigarrettes are made and comes uo with "it's toasted". Which according to the show is standard for all cigarrettes.

I have a very good friend who is a Dolphins fan. He's having a blast with McDaniel.
 

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Ty McKenzie is an nfl coach? I thought he was a great draft pick and then if memory serves he destroyed his knee his first or second training camp practice. Good to see he’s found a life in football
 

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Everything I’ve seen so far suggests that Miami wants Vic Fangio to be the DC. I would be thrilled by that hire, if it were to happen. I advocated for Miami signing Fangio last year when they hired McDaniel, but it seems like Vic wanted to take a year away.

McDaniel needs a DC where he can give them full autonomy over the defense so he can focus on being the OC and the head coach. It’s why I loved the McVay and Wade Phillips pairing. I think Miami’s personnel, especially the D Line with Wilkins and Sieler being excellent run defenders fits right into Fangio’s system as well.
 

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Fangio and Dessai are probably the top two names on the DC lists this off-season and are on opposite ends of the experience spectrum.

Dessai coached under Fangio in Chicago. Has a literal doctorate and was an adjunct professor at one time. My concern with hiring Dessai is two-fold. If he comes in and looks like a brilliant defensive mind, he’s likely only here for one or two seasons before you have to replace him. Plus his relative lack of experience vs Fangio means a roster and defense built to win now will be an experiment.

I think Fangio is probably less likely to be hired away as a head coach and more likely a Leslie Frazier. Plus you’re getting the guy that’s probably the premier DC in the league with a ton of experience where Dessai is a lot of projection.
 

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My Dad toasted Lucky Strikes for 52 years . . . . . . .before having his left lung removed 5 years ago, having two bouts of cancer, and now being 75 and barely able to get around, and not able to play golf which is literally the only thing that he wanted to do or cared about heading into retirement about 6 months before the cancer.

I have heard “Teddy Ballgame smoked Luckys” about 200 times in my life from him.
 

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While I want Vic Fangio here for obvious reasons, I'm very positive about the initial DC list overall. They're all very solid candidates.

Darlington reported recently that Fangio and McDaniel have a good relationship. The fact that he's interviewing has my hopes up -- considerably. As MM stated this past year, he needs a "HC of the defense." That's Fangio. The upgrade from him to Boyer would be ... substantial
 

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While I want Vic Fangio here for obvious reasons, I'm very positive about the initial DC list overall. They're all very solid candidates.

Darlington reported recently that Fangio and McDaniel have a good relationship. The fact that he's interviewing has my hopes up -- considerably. As MM stated this past year, he needs a "HC of the defense." That's Fangio. The upgrade from him to Boyer would be ... substantial
Darlington also said on the Joe Rose Show today that Boyer was essentially “pushed” on McDaniel and he was really keen on bringing in Fangio when he was hired.

Water under the bridge if Miami hires him now, but I didn’t love keeping Boyer and not hiring a true experienced DC to run the defense.

Like you said, the list of candidates all look promising. Desai and Richard are very well regarded young coaches, but I would really love to get “The Guy” to run the Fangio defense and not an understudy.

Let him train someone while he’s here to eventually be his successor, and Miami could have an actual long term, sustainable coaching environment.
 

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Snagging Fangio in particular would be a win. The man can coach a defense, flat out, and I bet he would come in with the understanding that his input on personnel (who stays or goes) will be key to the front office.

I admittedly have a strong bias toward hiring coaches for key roles that have done the job before at a high level, as opposed to taking a chance on a more inexperienced candidate, but I’d be pulling to nab Fangio. He can be their Wade Phillips, ie, the head coach of the defense, which is a critical role to get right if McDaniel insists on holding the play sheet on offense.
 

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Snagging Fangio in particular would be a win. The man can coach a defense, flat out, and I bet he would come in with the understanding that his input on personnel (who stays or goes) will be key to the front office.

I admittedly have a strong bias toward hiring coaches for key roles that have done the job before at a high level, as opposed to taking a chance on a more inexperienced candidate, but I’d be pulling to nab Fangio. He can be their Wade Phillips, ie, the head coach of the defense, which is a critical role to get right if McDaniel insists on holding the play sheet on offense.
We’ve seen various levels of offensive guys surrendering play calling duties. Daboll let Kafka call the offense and the Giants had a huge turnaround this year.

My assumption is McDaniel is going to want to keep calling the plays because this was his first real crack at it and he’s pretty damn good at it. His buddies Kyle S. And Sean McV. both still actively call plays and have had a lot of success.

He also said that he plans on calling plays in 2023 at his final press conference with Grier last week.
 

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Is there liability for the franchise potentially? Doctors were calling out one of his concussions in real time and the Dolphins put him back in to get another.
 

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Man, I hope Tua hangs em up. I feel terrible for the kid but if he can’t participate in the pro bowl because he’s still in the protocol…. He’s gotta think about his future health.

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He’s “still in the protocol” because there’s zero reason or incentive for Miami to remove him from the protocol.

Is he still dealing with some symptoms and seeing specialists? Probably. If Miami was playing this weekend, would he still actually be in the protocol? My guess is probably not.
 

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Is there liability for the franchise potentially? Doctors were calling out one of his concussions in real time and the Dolphins put him back in to get another.
Let’s say Tua hypothetically ended his career. What is his recourse? Can he sue the league, the team, and the doctor’s for not properly diagnosing him with a concussion during the Bills game?

Tua is directly involved with that process. If he’s passing the tests in place and he says that he wants to continue, is he going to say in a court of law that he lied to the doctors? Wouldn’t that absolve Miami and the league from liability and instantly torpedo his case?

Obviously if the protocol wasn’t followed or there is coercion, that’s different. According to the league’s investigation, that didn’t happen, but take that with a grain of salt.
 

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Is there liability for the franchise potentially? Doctors were calling out one of his concussions in real time and the Dolphins put him back in to get another.
Seems like "following the guidance of medical professionals" would be a pretty robust defense. The docs on site would be more likely to be on the hook for any liability, no?

If Tua can't break out of something as flimsy as the NFL's "protocol" this long after his last concussion, he really needs to focus on letting his brain heal and start thinking about life beyond football (or playing it, anyways).
 

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Tua isn't going to quit football people. Jesus.

He is world class at the QB position. He is a Top 20 quarterback in the world. And he's just going to walk away from the life of an NFL QB and the tens of millions of dollars because he got a concussion? So naive.