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cshea

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I wonder how much Flores' availability impacted that decision. Setting aside the legal side of the equation, would hiring Flores be enough for Watson to come back? No idea if Flores would have any interest in the job but he did cross paths with Casserio and Easterby in NE so who knows?

Edit: Essentially, was "evaluating Culley" really "quietly reaching out to Flores to gaguge interest"
 

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Pretty unfair to Culley in my opinion. He coached through one of the biggest distractions in NFL history (with it being zero fault of his own) and it seemed like Mills was on a surprisingly nice development trajectory. Per DJ's latest update:

Mills: 263/394, 66.8%, 2664 yards, 16/10 TD/INT, 88.8 rating--THIS WEEK: 23/33, 301 yards, 3/0 TD/INT
 

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I feel like this is a your fired because Flores is available situation
100%. Watson pushed hard to get out of Houston to play for Flores. Houston hires Flores and everyone is happy. Watson comes back to play (maybe after serving a suspension) and Flores gets the QB he wanted.

Edit: biggest question is can/will Caserio and Flores work well together?
 

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Pretty unfair to Culley in my opinion. He coached through one of the biggest distractions in NFL history (with it being zero fault of his) and it seemed like Mills was on a surprisingly nice development trajectory. Per DJ's latest update:

Mills: 263/394, 66.8%, 2664 yards, 16/10 TD/INT, 88.8 rating--THIS WEEK: 23/33, 301 yards, 3/0 TD/INT
Totally agree. I also think the Texans shouldn’t have hired him in the first place.
 

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I feel like this is a your fired because Flores is available situation
I'm with you on this. Culley made some questionable in-game decisions -- including choosing to punt in the Patriots game -- but the Texans had little talent, an albatross on the roster and no expectations, and he got them to play hard.

He didn't deserve to be fired, so they must have their eye on someone.
 

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Instead of Flores, I wonder if the target is Josh? The thought with him would be his preexisting relationship with the leadership structure (assuming they're all on good terms from their Patriots days) and Josh would be someone to develop Mills if they trade Watson.
 

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100%. Watson pushed hard to get out of Houston to play for Flores. Houston hires Flores and everyone is happy. Watson comes back to play (maybe after serving a suspension) and Flores gets the QB he wanted.

Edit: biggest question is can/will Caserio and Flores work well together?
You would think so given the amount of time they spent together in New England, but you never know.
On mobile so don’t have the tweet but Schefter says they’re interested in Mayo too.
View: https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1481744255156723716
 

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Mayo is an aggressive hire because of how little coaching experience he has. There is no magic number, mind you, but three years of coaching experience with limited apparent authority?

I just don’t know how comfortable I could get based on some interviews and referrals that he could run a team, especially given the other candidates out there. Interpersonal skills are crucial for a coach, but so isn’t the ability to act as an administrator.
 

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Watson is going to be cool with playing for the Texans after all that happened the past year? Stranger things have happened, I guess…
 

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Flores HC/Mayo DC makes more sense
I'd like to think Mayo is smarter than a relatively lateral move and leaving the Patriots and joining the dumpster fire Texans. But maybe he really wants the actual title of DC
 

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I'd like to think Mayo is smarter than a relatively lateral move and leaving the Patriots and joining the dumpster fire Texans. But maybe he really wants the actual title of DC
Wonder if it came to that whether Bill would give him the title and move Steve to something else to continue his coaching education. The benefit of Mayo if I’m the Texans is a relatively clean slate. The risk of course is the same.
 

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Culley did exactly what you expect when you hire a 66-year-old guy who had never been a head coach, or even a coordinator, to take over a tire fire.

Not really sure what the point of paying $22m for one year of that is, but good for David Culley.
 

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Culley did exactly what you expect when you hire a 66-year-old guy who had never been a head coach, or even a coordinator, to take over a tire fire.

Not really sure what the point of paying $22m for one year of that is, but good for David Culley.
I heard only 2 years were guaranteed on around the nfl pod
 

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Thanks, seems like pod I listened to was wrong. I say seems because it’s a “sources say” story that is correcting the 2 year rumor. Good money for Culley, damn.
and people wonder why guys salivate at getting 1 of 32 jobs... it's a bit of a golden parachute... it's not as big as difference now that Coordinator jobs get paid a ton more, but it's still a significant jump in money.
 

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Mike Piazza was drafted in the 62nd round. 1,390th pick. So low that teams would routinely be forfeiting their picks because they didn't need or know any additional players. So late that the round no longer exists in the draft.
If Tommy Lasorda wasn’t Piazza’s Godfather the kid wouldn’t even have been drafted that high. Great story about how he had to tryout a month after the draft to be offered a contract and the Dodgers wouldn’t pay for him to get there.
 

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Wonder if tonight’s loss, combined with the late season skid, and reports of how little prep work Murray apparently does, might have Kingsbury on the hot seat.
Well he just threw his players under the bus during the postgame press conference.
View: https://twitter.com/kentsomers/status/1483300197706784771
Kingsbury also said maybe guys weren’t used to playoff football.
Someone should tell the Bengals

also. It’s the coaches job to get his players ready for the playoffs.
 

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Bears could trade Fields? I mean, I know this is just a coach opining on the roster, but still.

 

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Well he just threw his players under the bus during the postgame press conference.

Someone should tell the Bengals

also. It’s the coaches job to get his players ready for the playoffs.
Kliff Kingsbury has had Baker Mayfield, Patrick Mahomes, Kyler Murray, and won absolutely nothing of substance.

Hopkins got hurt, Kyler got hurt, Watt got hurt, and they faded down the stretch. At a certain point, a second half fade every year is a feature, not a bug.

If the season was 9 games long, the Cardinals would be the best team in football the last two years.
 

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Kliff Kingsbury has had Baker Mayfield, Patrick Mahomes, Kyler Murray, and won absolutely nothing of substance.

Hopkins got hurt, Kyler got hurt, Watt got hurt, and they faded down the stretch. At a certain point, a second half fade every year is a feature, not a bug.

If the season was 9 games long, the Cardinals would be the best team in football the last two years.
Part of that is Kliff, part is the GM... that roster is very old and very shallow. They've basically whiffed on a ton of drafts, let guys go who are good, and generally really mismanaged their roster. Yet got EOTY buzz early for one trade for a C and signing Watt (done by letting one of their few good young defenders go).

As someone pointed out... go look at that roster for guys who will be under 30 next season and could be considered building blocks....
Kyler, Baker.....
Maybe Simmons becomes good? Maybe Collins?

That team is really shallow and really old.
 

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Part of that is Kliff, part is the GM... that roster is very old and very shallow. They've basically whiffed on a ton of drafts, let guys go who are good, and generally really mismanaged their roster. Yet got EOTY buzz early for one trade for a C and signing Watt (done by letting one of their few good young defenders go).

As someone pointed out... go look at that roster for guys who will be under 30 next season and could be considered building blocks....
Kyler, Baker.....
Maybe Simmons becomes good? Maybe Collins?

That team is really shallow and really old.
Agree 100%. Most of the names they have are either old or signed short term deals. They went all in to try and maximize the Murray contract, which is fine, but they’re going to have Kyler and a rebuild on their hands in 2-3 years.

My point about Kliff is he’s basically the rich kid at a Chuck E. Cheese birthday party complaining that the water isn’t lemon Perrier.
 

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Part of that is Kliff, part is the GM... that roster is very old and very shallow. They've basically whiffed on a ton of drafts, let guys go who are good, and generally really mismanaged their roster. Yet got EOTY buzz early for one trade for a C and signing Watt (done by letting one of their few good young defenders go).

As someone pointed out... go look at that roster for guys who will be under 30 next season and could be considered building blocks....
Kyler, Baker.....
Maybe Simmons becomes good? Maybe Collins?

That team is really shallow and really old.
They built that team as if Kyler was a seasoned QB they had to go all in with. It never made much sense.
 

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While the "new" news is Feldman reporting on anxieties among the staff at Michigan, this is essentially a rehash of the story he wrote three weeks ago that started all the buzz, right down to the fact that he's using the same sources - which is to say that it quotes anonymous insiders who aren't really insiders. Which is why I just don't give it too much credence beyond noting that Feldman is doubling down on his earlier prediction.

These are the kinds of stories that John Bacon (a true Michigan insider) described as follows:

View: https://twitter.com/Johnubacon/status/1480233129482858502?s=20


"Yes, I stand by Nobody Knows Anything. Unless you're Jim Harbaugh, his wife or parents, you're guessing. Big difference between guessing, predicting, and reporting something as fact. When someone guesses, they want you to remember it if it comes true, and forget it if it doesn't."

This is the sixth straight year that I've read predictions about Harbaugh's imminent departure. Eventually, those predictions will come true, but I won't credit anyone for them when that happens.

That said, I'll admit (as someone who knows nothing) that there are a number of factors that lead me to believe that the Raiders opening is something he'd seriously consider.
 

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Will Davis give Harbaugh the full "Gruden Deal"? And would Harbaugh come to the Raiders if he didn't?

I'm certainly not opposed to Harbaugh (sorry AR) joining the Raiders, but if he does, I really hope Davis is able to hire a strong GM. I don't care what Harbaugh gets paid or for how long, but I really would like to see a good partnership on personnel as opposed to a rubber stamp on whatever Harbaugh wants. That isn't a concern specific to Harbaugh, but any head coach Davis hires.
 

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It seems like Harbaugh is the type to hold a grudge. I think he's happy to let his bosses at Michigan twist in the wind a little after the whole pay cut thing a year ago but I bet he's stays there.
 

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Will Davis give Harbaugh the full "Gruden Deal"? And would Harbaugh come to the Raiders if he didn't?

I'm certainly not opposed to Harbaugh (sorry AR) joining the Raiders, but if he does, I really hope Davis is able to hire a strong GM. I don't care what Harbaugh gets paid or for how long, but I really would like to see a good partnership on personnel as opposed to a rubber stamp on whatever Harbaugh wants. That isn't a concern specific to Harbaugh, but any head coach Davis hires.
My own guess is that Harbaugh won't ever go into another NFL situation where his fate is determined by the whims of a senior executive like Trent Baalke. I'll admit that I don't know what that necessarily means, but Davis firing his GM before deciding on the coaching situation gives him the ability to create a situation which is ideal for Harbaugh. (I don't know if that's good or bad for the Raiders.) Which is why I'm concerned that Harbaugh might actually make the move.

We may know soon, but my guess is that the process will take a week to ten days.

It seems like Harbaugh is the type to hold a grudge. I think he's happy to let his bosses at Michigan twist in the wind a little after the whole pay cut thing a year ago but I bet he's stays there.
I think he is, but I don't think it applies here. The guy who was not a supporter of Harbaugh at Michigan is the President who just got canned. Warde Manuel (AD) is his friend and ally and he's not going to dick him over out of spite.

More to the point, Harbaugh has always kept his own counsel on these things. (I'm pretty sure he acts as his own agent and doesn't leak, which is why Bacon put out the "Nobody knows anything" comment.) The way Harbaugh structured his contract last year was quite intentional, in the sense that his buyout for leaving is almost nothing. So he was always going to take a look if the NFL came calling.

The question, as always, is what does he want to do?
 

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While the "new" news is Feldman reporting on anxieties among the staff at Michigan, this is essentially a rehash of the story he wrote three weeks ago that started all the buzz, right down to the fact that he's using the same sources - which is to say that it quotes anonymous insiders who aren't really insiders. Which is why I just don't give it too much credence beyond noting that Feldman is doubling down on his earlier prediction.

These are the kinds of stories that John Bacon (a true Michigan insider) described as follows:

View: https://twitter.com/Johnubacon/status/1480233129482858502?s=20


"Yes, I stand by Nobody Knows Anything. Unless you're Jim Harbaugh, his wife or parents, you're guessing. Big difference between guessing, predicting, and reporting something as fact. When someone guesses, they want you to remember it if it comes true, and forget it if it doesn't."

This is the sixth straight year that I've read predictions about Harbaugh's imminent departure. Eventually, those predictions will come true, but I won't credit anyone for them when that happens.

That said, I'll admit (as someone who knows nothing) that there are a number of factors that lead me to believe that the Raiders opening is something he'd seriously consider.
I think if he truly wants a second act in the NFL, this is his time. He’s 58, and can have a solid 10-12 year run somewhere. Part of the calculus is he knows he likely reached his ceiling at UM and the odds of a national championship outside the SEC moving forward are very scant. We’ll know soon.
 

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I think if he truly wants a second act in the NFL, this is his time. He’s 58, and can have a solid 10-12 year run somewhere. Part of the calculus is he knows he likely reached his ceiling at UM and the odds of a national championship outside the SEC moving forward are very scant. We’ll know soon.
Similar timing to Carroll and USC / Seattle, right?