2021 NLDS 101: Giants v. Dodgers Game Thread

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There should be two umpires looking for work tomorrow morning. Eddings had one of the worst, most one sided games I can recall seeing in recent memory, and that call to end it was Jim Joyce levels of bad. If I believed in those sorts of things, I might have called this one a bag job. Holy fuck.
 

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if I am the manager of the giants i go after the horrific officiating in this game and rip MLB a new one and dare MLB to fine me.
 

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The first base ump was so confident, too. He wanted to decide it.
I hate umpires who think that the game is about them. It's not their strike zone, it's baseball's strike zone.

Umpires are a necessary evil. With robots, they should be an unnecessary evil.

In the meantime, what's the name of the first base umpire who let his ego get out of control and screwed up his job so badly?
 

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Darling is a much better in the playoffs as a broadcaster than he ever was as a pitcher.
I don’t think it’s that bad. From the ALDS teams it could have been SF vs Milwaukee and Tampa vs Hou/CHW. That would be some serious woof right there.
Well I quoted the wrong post. But it was I. Regards to the LCS matchups
 

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If baseball had went forward with the # 1 seed picking their LDS opponent, the Rays probably would have picked the White Sox and not sure who the Giants would have picked, but probably not the Dodgers of the three choices.
 

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If baseball had went forward with the # 1 seed picking their LDS opponent, the Rays probably would have picked the White Sox and not sure who the Giants would have picked, but probably not the Dodgers of the three choices.
Probably pick the Dodgers because their pitching was messed up from the WC game.
 

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Wilmer was 0-17 vs Max. Why did Gabe not pinch hit?
 

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That feels on par with some of the worst calls in MLB history. You need to be 1000% sure that he went to end a series on a check swing call and it wasn't even close.
 

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It was an 0-2 pitch, too. He wasn't deciding between ringing a guy up and sending him to first. It was letting an at bat continue versus ending a team's season. A swing has to be completely and totally obvious to call in that situation.
 

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I don’t think it’s that bad. From the ALDS teams it could have been SF vs Milwaukee and Tampa vs Hou/CHW. That would be some serious woof right there.
Well I quoted the wrong post. But it was I. Regards to the LCS matchups
I edited, because I didn't intend to post the top part of the post, but the idea was for the rest of the country, us versus the Astros is the Battle of the Cheaters, while the Dodgers versus the Braves is the Battle of the Two Teams You're Tired of Watching in the Playoffs, especially if you're old enough to remember the Braves' run in the 90s.
 
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Kapler over managed tonight. Pulling Rogers seemed idiotic at the time and I’ll stand by it now. Too hands on and it cost them.
 

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Check swing call wasn’t good, but that dude had 0 chance vs Max.
You can't say that. Scherzer, as good as he is, could have made a bad pitch. Or the next pitch could have been a good one and Flores hits a swinging bunt that too slow to throw him out.
 

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Thanks -- that's a lot better than i was expecting. At least the ump was consistently giving everyone a wide strike zone, which I couldn't tell for sure when the game was live. (TBS's strike zone box is too faint for me, I prefer something more visible, like the first-down line on NFL games.)
Better than I expected, too, but man, that Bryant at bat in the 4th was really, really bad. Bryant saw 6 pitches and struck out on 1 swing, with the only pitch even close to the strike zone being the one he swung at. Fallacy of predetermined outcomes and all, but it could easily have been 1st and 2nd with no outs, with Urias on the ropes at that point. I think that was the biggest at bat in the game.
 

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Better than I expected, too, but man, that Bryant at bat in the 4th was really, really bad. Bryant saw 6 pitches and struck out on 1 swing, with the only pitch even close to the strike zone being the one he swung at. Fallacy of predetermined outcomes and all, but it could easily have been 1st and 2nd with no outs, with Urias on the ropes at that point. I think that was the biggest at bat in the game.
I can't screenshot it on my work computer, but you can see just how bad the calls were looking at the Baseball Savant page (have to select the Urias/Bryant PA from the dropdown menu). Pitch 5 was close and maybe defensible in a vacuum. Missing Pitch 3 is very bad, however. It should have been a 4-pitch walk.
 

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I can't screenshot it on my work computer, but you can see just how bad the calls were looking at the Baseball Savant page (have to select the Urias/Bryant PA from the dropdown menu). Pitch 5 was close and maybe defensible in a vacuum. Missing Pitch 3 is very bad, however. It should have been a 4-pitch walk.
It's the consistency that's more important (to me anyway) than any abstract comparison with a hypothetical ROBOUMP. If an ump is giving everyone a wide strike zone then it's up the players to adjust to that -- it's just part of the game. But giving one team a different strike zone than another is unacceptable. That's what I was more worried above after watching last night, and it sounds like it wasn't as big a deal as I had thought.
 

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Does anyone know the baseline runs favored for these scorecards? For example, it says that Eddings' zone was worth +.68 runs to the Dodgers. That seems like a pretty significant advantage for a team in a one run game.
 

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Does anyone know the baseline runs favored for these scorecards? For example, it says that Eddings' zone was worth +.68 runs to the Dodgers. That seems like a pretty significant advantage for a team in a one run game.
My guess is most of that is from the Bryant at bat, which included the two worst calls of the night. If the 2-0 is called correctly, it’s 3-0 and sure we can’t determine what would happen. But if the 3-1 is called correctly, it’s 100% 1st and 2nd no outs. That situation results in a run expectancy of 1.373. Instead it becomes 3-2, and Bryant ended up striking out. Run expectancy with one out and runner on 1st is 0.489. Of course, the incorrect call made it 3-2, not a strikeout, so I assume there’s a calculation where, from a 3-2 count, Bryant had x chance of hitting a bomb, y chance a triple, z chance a double, etc, with each resulting in a different run expectancy. wOBA is, on average, .325 in a 3-2 count, so the chances are in favor of the plate appearance resulting in a worse run expectancy than 1.373. Since the ump overall was solid, I’d expect the vast majority of the +.68 figure comes from this at bat.