2021-2022 NBA Game Thread!

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#5 Exum - Unemployed
#8 Stauskas - G League (back from Spain)
#9 Vonleh - China
#15 Payne - Turkey
#17 Young - Israel
#18 Ennis - Turkey
#20 Caboclo - Brazil
#21 McGary - Gave up basketball for bowling in 2017?
#22 Adams - Argentina
#24 Napier - Russia
#26 Hairston - Retired in 2018
#28 Wilcox - Retired from G League?
#29 Huestis - G League

I don't really have a point posting these, just kind of interesting catching up on where people have gone.

It shows a pretty high % of 1st rounders not really in the league while still in their prime.
I never got it with Exum. Some people loved him so much.
 

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Yup, it’s not easy to stick in this league. Which country do you think Nesmith will be playing in 2025? I can see France. He looks like he’s fit in, enjoy the cuisine, and maybe Dennis is prepping him for it. :D
 

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I never got it with Exum. Some people loved him so much.
Athletic, fluid-looking 6'6 PG with 6'9 wingspan, good attitude. People thought he may be able to shoot some day?

Idk, I never bothered to have much of an opinion on him one way or the other. I assume that was a big topic around here with us having #6, though.
 

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Athletic, fluid-looking 6'6 PG with 6'9 wingspan, good attitude. People thought he may be able to shoot some day?

Idk, I never bothered to have much of an opinion on him one way or the other. I assume that was a big topic around here with us having #6, though.
I liked Exum for all those reasons you mention and he had elite defender potential. Shooting, as has been repeated as nauseum, is the easiest learned skill to develop. We didn’t know he was made of glass though. The guy makes Romeo look like Cal Ripken.
 

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You think the Cavs are taking this Laker game seriously? We are in October and they are using a tight 8-man rotation. Markkanen and Mobley are going off in the 1H too! Fun team!!
 

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You think the Cavs are taking this Laker game seriously? We are in October and they are using a tight 8-man rotation. Markkanen and Mobley are going off in the 1H too! Fun team!!
They don't seem to have any available players if Lamar Stevens is getting run.
 

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Pretty nice battle between Suggs and Barnes in the Toronto/Orlando game. Another big game for Mo Bamba too.
 

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Mobley is good.

He is going to be SOOOOO much better than Cade.
C’mon man. We can’t tell anything after 6 games. /SoSH

Seriously, Mobley is Chris Bosh’s illegitimate son. Convince me otherwise. Love drawing defenders and throwing him alley-oops like they’ve played together for 10 years.
 

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Hello Dwight. Nice to meet you at the rim. Now get that weak shit out of here!!!!

Sincerely,
Jarrett Allen
 

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I will buy all the Evan Mobley stock people are willing to sell, guy comes in looking this good on defense and intermittently looking like a scorer... yeah sign me up.
 

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It's weird to me that people are surprised by Mobley. But I may have been irrationally high on him.
 

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I wasn't down on Mobley but I was curious what he was going to do offensively in the NBA, but he has transitioned on that end as good as one could expect. A lot of people thought he could have gone #1 so I don't really think too many people are surprised he is doing so well. I think Cade is special though, can't wait to see him.
 

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It's weird to me that people are surprised by Mobley. But I may have been irrationally high on him.
I mean, he's been sensational for a rookie, even if you thought he was gonna be a beast long term, a 20 year old rookie being a significant plus on D is rare.
 

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I mean, he's been sensational for a rookie, even if you thought he was gonna be a beast long term, a 20 year old rookie being a significant plus on D is rare.
He understands basketball at a ridiculous level on both ends. Best defensive college big since AD, etc.

But yeah, I guess I'm just surprised when I hear people like Bill Simmons say they're surprised about his feel for the game & his passing when that stuff was all over his game film.
 

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It's weird to me that people are surprised by Mobley. But I may have been irrationally high on him.
Not surprised but I wasn’t totally convinced. He floated a lot at USC while disappearing at times. This could be due to zone defenses and teammates who don’t know how to involve him against a zone. His lower body seemed fragile similar to Bagley’s in college and I underestimated that with him so didn’t want to with Mobley. As you say, the strengths were apparent……great feel for the game, instinctual, tremendous shot mechanics/touch that project out to 3, defensive instincts, and length.

Cade’s question for me is how explosive will he be with the ball. If he can’t utilize his first step to consistently get to his spot with the ball that will lower his ceiling. If he can get to his spots the sky is the limit for him. This is a fun year even with the early Celtic dysfunction.
 

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So how long until Lebron starts planning his return to Cleveland to play with Mobley and Sex-Land?
 

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Yup, it’s not easy to stick in this league. Which country do you think Nesmith will be playing in 2025? I can see France. He looks like he’s fit in, enjoy the cuisine, and maybe Dennis is prepping him for it. :D
It's binary. Once Aaron gains the confidence of being on an NBA floor he's going to shoot lights out. He's too good of a shooter, with length, to bounce out of this league.

While you think shooting is the easiest skill to learn, I'd say just getting minutes on a tanker and getting comfortable is easier. That's why a few young, mediocre players put up pointz on shitty teams every season.

Look forward to your Nesmith mea culpa in the next few seasons;)
 

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He understands basketball at a ridiculous level on both ends. Best defensive college big since AD, etc.

But yeah, I guess I'm just surprised when I hear people like Bill Simmons say they're surprised about his feel for the game & his passing when that stuff was all over his game film.
Simmons has been pretty adamant since before the draft that he thought Mobley should have gone #1, so out of all people I wouldn't be calling him a non-believer.
 

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Does the emergence of Mobley make Cleveland more or less likely to be in the trade mix for Ben Simmons?
 

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Simmons has been pretty adamant since before the draft that he thought Mobley should have gone #1, so out of all people I wouldn't be calling him a non-believer.
Yep, he was high on Mobley. In his Eastern Conference preview he said he thought they'd be an elite defensive team. I thought he was nuts as last year they were dregs on defense. Still middle of the pack in DefRtg so far this year but that's a big jump from where they were a year ago.
 

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It's weird to me that people are surprised by Mobley. But I may have been irrationally high on him.
Mobley always felt like the obvious #1 pick to me, I don't really know how he didn't go there.

Felt like some odd anti-big bias or something, people not wanting to repeat Ayton (very good big) over Doncic (uber-elite player) for example.

But Mobley is just better than Cade/Green, some GMs over thought it. Mobley is going to be a stud.
 

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Is it heresy to question how “uber-elite” Luka Doncic is? I’m sure I’m overreacting to his disastrous season to date (.497 TS, -31.9 net on-off), but I’m not sure I wouldn’t take Ja and Trae over him, if starting a team.

Edit: over his four-year career, the Mavs have been about the same with Luka on the bench as on the floor (net -0.7 on-off).
 

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Simmons has been pretty adamant since before the draft that he thought Mobley should have gone #1, so out of all people I wouldn't be calling him a non-believer.
I don't recall that. I thought Tjarks was the only Ringer person on that island with me. Regardless, though, I was just listening to his podcast the other day & I thought his comment was odd because his vision was obvious in college & one of the things that was most assured of translating.
 

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I mean, yeah, Luka’s awesome (and has killed the Warriors, if that’s pjheff’s point). I’m just not sure he’s more awesome than Trae or Ja. Still tbd, imo.
 

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Is it heresy to question how “uber-elite” Luka Doncic is? I’m sure I’m overreacting to his disastrous season to date (.497 TS, -31.9 net on-off), but I’m not sure I wouldn’t take Ja and Trae over him, if starting a team.

Edit: over his four-year career, the Mavs have been about the same with Luka on the bench as on the floor (net -0.7 on-off).
On/Off splits are tough to look at when the guy is literally everything for the team, but regarding his start, he's always been a slow starter. His career October numbers are just 21.7ppg, 7.5 rpg, 5.7 apg on a TS% of .552. The points, assists and TS% is the worst of any month, and the rebounds are second worst. Not sure exactly why, but he always looks lousy to start the year.
 

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On/Off splits are tough to look at when the guy is literally everything for the team, but regarding his start, he's always been a slow starter. His career October numbers are just 21.7ppg, 7.5 rpg, 5.7 apg on a TS% of .552. The points, assists and TS% is the worst of any month, and the rebounds are second worst. Not sure exactly why, but he always looks lousy to start the year.
Doesn't look like he comes into camp in exactly pristine shape.....

If he spent an offseason getting into elite NBA condition he probably has another level in him.
 

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On/Off splits are tough to look at when the guy is literally everything for the team, but regarding his start, he's always been a slow starter. His career October numbers are just 21.7ppg, 7.5 rpg, 5.7 apg on a TS% of .552. The points, assists and TS% is the worst of any month, and the rebounds are second worst. Not sure exactly why, but he always looks lousy to start the year.
Stolen from one of the many basketball podcasts (which one I cannot remember): Jason Kidd's the only guy in the league who can hold Luka under 20.
 

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I would go Mobley, Barnes, Giddey top 3 in a re-draft right now.

I have admittedly never understood the Cade hype, not judging on just 1 terrible opening game.
 

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I would go Mobley, Barnes, Giddey top 3 in a re-draft right now.

I have admittedly never understood the Cade hype, not judging on just 1 terrible opening game.
What don't you understand about a 6'8" primary ball-handler that scored at all three levels in college and has the potential to be a lockdown defender at multiple positions? It's fine to think Mobley and a few other players might be better prospects but it's pretty obvious why people would be high on Cade.
 

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What don't you understand about a 6'8" primary ball-handler that scored at all three levels in college and has the potential to be a lockdown defender at multiple positions? It's fine to think Mobley and a few other players might be better prospects but it's pretty obvious why people would be high on Cade.
LOL

I understand the appeal of a generic 6'8" primary ball handler that can score and be a good defender. It's not some mythical concept I am unable to grasp.

I just haven't seen Cade do any of those things at particularly high level. I wouldn't have had him in the top 3 before the draft and nothing in summer league or early season has changed my mind.
 

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LOL

I understand the appeal of a generic 6'8" primary ball handler that can score and be a good defender. It's not some mythical concept I am unable to grasp.

I just haven't seen Cade do any of those things at particularly high level. I wouldn't have had him in the top 3 before the draft and nothing in summer league or early season has changed my mind.
This sounds like HRB saying Doncic wasn't one of his top prospect in the 2018 Draft. We'll revisit this later.
 

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LOL

I understand the appeal of a generic 6'8" primary ball handler that can score and be a good defender. It's not some mythical concept I am unable to grasp.

I just haven't seen Cade do any of those things at particularly high level. I wouldn't have had him in the top 3 before the draft and nothing in summer league or early season has changed my mind.
I’m shocked that the 18 minutes he’s played so far this season hasn’t changed your opinion of him…….
 

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This sounds like HRB saying Doncic wasn't one of his top prospect in the 2018 Draft. We'll revisit this later.
If Cade turns into Doncic I will be more than happy to eat crow.

I am not a college basketball guru by any means, i just never understood the hype. Every game I saw Cade play in college (maybe 5 max?) he was very unimpressive. Summer league? More of the same.

The IDEA of Cade is certainly worthy of a #1 pick and the hype. But from the small sample I have seen, he's just not that good. We'll see what happens.
 

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I just haven't seen Cade do any of those things at particularly high level. I wouldn't have had him in the top 3 before the draft and nothing in summer league or early season has changed my mind.
He did it last year in the toughest conference in the NCAA. He won some games singlehandedly with his offense and other games singlehandedly with his defense until he turned his ankle at the end of the year and really shouldn’t even have been out there.
 

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We’re message boarding and I wouldn’t put Cade top 3. Sorry guys. I’ve been impressed with the 3 I mentioned (mainly Mobley) and never really got the Cade hype.

I understand the appeal of a player like Cade and his skill set, I “get” that part of it. I just have been underwhelmed everytime I’ve watched him and he doesn’t seem particularly elite at any of his well rounded skills.
 

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We’re message boarding and I wouldn’t put Cade top 3. Sorry guys. I’ve been impressed with the 3 I mentioned (mainly Mobley) and never really got the Cade hype.

I understand the appeal of a player like Cade and his skill set, I “get” that part of it. I just have been underwhelmed everytime I’ve watched him and he doesn’t seem particularly elite at any of his well rounded skills.
Did you watch him late in the season and in the tournament last year? That is when he was playing on one leg and it was negligent to even have him out there.
 

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Did you watch him late in the season and in the tournament last year? That is when he was playing on one leg and it was negligent to even have him out there.
Sporadically throughout the year, but definitely not a large sample.

I just never saw anything exciting, I'll be honest. I must have missed all of his good games.
 

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Sporadically throughout the year, but definitely not a large sample.

I just never saw anything exciting, I'll be honest. I must have missed all of his good games.
He’s not a highly reel that’s for sure. He has a lot of Slo-Mo in his game with change of speeds. The one concern I have always had that would prevent him from being an elite player is how his lack of burst would play at this level. Aside from that he’s as close to a can’t miss real good player as I can imagine. The problem is being a real good player at a #1 overall pick sometimes comes with a “Bust” label. I like all of the top four but each did come with some questions to where I could see them not playing up to their draft slot.
 

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He’s not a highly reel that’s for sure. He has a lot of Slo-Mo in his game with change of speeds.
Slo-Mo ain't going top 3. I am not anti-Cade necessarily, i just didn't see "it".

Felt like a top 5 kinda guy to me rather than an automatic #1 pick. I've been impressed with some of the other top 10 guys so would knock Cade out of the top 3 in a re-draft.
 

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He is wearing Bird's gear but he was doing a Curry impersonation.