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Mystic Merlin

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What the fuck?

He really is about 11 years old when it comes to synthesizing information that doesn’t relate to diagnosing NFL defenses. Only reason you post some bullshit like that is to minimize the COVID threat.
 

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What the fuck?

He really is about 11 years old when it comes to synthesizing information that doesn’t relate to diagnosing NFL defenses. Only reason you post some bullshit like that is to minimize the COVID threat.
This is the same guy who ignored the COVID restrictions to practice in a park a few months ago. Stuff like this has me inching towards the "Brady is not that smart outside of football" camp. This is a 43 year-old man and not someone's teenage son/daughter. He should know better and it's incredibly disappointing to see.

He's seemingly looking at everything through the prism of how it impacts his football career. I have no idea what the "real" Brady is like but the public one has turned into a jackass. And it sucks.
 

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I read that post as more talking about how serious of a problem depression and suicide are and not necessarily downplaying COVID. But yeah, fuck Tom Brady.
 

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While the statement is disappointing in that it could be construed as downplaying covid, it's not as bad as I feared at first because he added wash your hands, wear your masks, and be kind to others.

Still, what the fuck is he trying to achieve here? I've resisted the notion to conclude that Brady is a confirmed Trumper, as the maggot hat can be explained and I've never seen him comment on politics. But he's making it difficult.
 

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I read that post as more talking about how serious of a problem depression and suicide are and not necessarily downplaying COVID. But yeah, fuck Tom Brady.
If Tom thinks depression and suicide are serious after 20 years in the limelight he has the fan base and platform to bring attention to both without mentioning COVID.

Maybe I missed other stuff, but I think it’s pretty telling he hasn’t said anything else on his Instagram about COVID or a million other social issues except to repeat a right wing talking point unsupported by data that betrays who he’s been talking to/listening to.
 

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If Tom thinks depression and suicide are serious after 20 years in the limelight he has the fan base and platform to bring attention to both without mentioning COVID.

Maybe I missed other stuff, but I think it’s pretty telling he hasn’t said anything else on his Instagram about COVID or a million other social issues except to repeat a right wing talking point unsupported by data that betrays who he’s been talking to/listening to.
I just think this is a bit of an overreaction. If that post had said something like “Maybe instead of wearing a mask and washing your hands, we should remember to be nicer to people” I’d be right there with everyone. It didn’t say that though. The logic behind the post is that it compares COVID, something a lot of people are taking extremely seriously, and argues that in addition to taking COVID seriously, people should be just as vigilant about mental health, which in pure theoretical terms, is a hard statement to argue against. Brady likely just saw that post and half-assed reposted it; and now everyone is jump on board to say good riddance to MAGA Tom. It’s frankly embarrassing.

The reaction to Brady since he left has been very unusual around here.
 

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I read that post as more talking about how serious of a problem depression and suicide are and not necessarily downplaying COVID. But yeah, fuck Tom Brady.
Why mention COVID, and specifically emphasize relative mortality figures?

It is difficult to not read that post in the context of his other problematic comments and actions over the summer re: COVID that suggested he didn’t appreciate the risks of the disease or was willing to assume them.
 

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Why mention COVID, and specifically emphasize relative mortality figures?
That's what makes it pretty problematic in the first place. The fact that it also says to wear a mask and wash your hands is what makes it not completely insane. It's still a bad look, but it's a fair way away from being QAnon-awful.
 

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I think Brady is a positive guy by nature. He doesn’t like seeing people die by suicide. I read it as he was saying let’s do our part - wash hands, wear mask - to help lift restrictions so people can return to normal life. It’s a bit naive but not the worse thing in the world.
 

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I’m as big a Brady defender as anyone and that’s just a crap post. It’s not true, first of all. It buys into “the cure is worse than the disease” narrative about COVID. It implies we can decrease suicide by lifting restrictions and smiling each other instead of by reducing stigma and making mental heath services more available. It minimizes the COVID risk.

it sucks.
 

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That's what makes it pretty problematic in the first place. The fact that it also says to wear a mask and wash your hands is what makes it not completely insane. It's still a bad look, but it's a fair way away from being QAnon-awful.
If I'm being extra cynical, I try to think why he included that part. And it's probably to pre-empt the backlash. Or a PR person made him, but it's the same thing.

It's pretty obvious what he's getting at, and it ain't great.
 

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There are fewer than 1000 suicides per week on average in this country. Took me, who knows literally nothing on the subject, all of 5 minutes to look it up and find that number from a reliable source. It's been a long time since we've had fewer than 1000 CoVid deaths in a week.

As someone who really doesn't care all that much about his political preferences, I agree it's a very bad look for him.
 

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I agree completely. This revisionist Tom Brady hate is horrendous. The lowest of SoSH.
It's beyond fucking stupid. The guy WON SIX SUPER BOWLS HERE.

(Yeah, he's a weirdo and says dumb shit sometimes. That's why I relied on him to do ONE thing for me: throw pretty touchdown passes. Everything else, I just ignore. I didn't give a shit what Secretariat thought about Watergate, either.)
 

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There are fewer than 1000 suicides per week on average in this country. Took me, who knows literally nothing on the subject, all of 5 minutes to look it up and find that number from a reliable source. It's been a long time since we've had fewer than 1000 CoVid deaths in a week.

As someone who really doesn't care all that much about his political preferences, I agree it's a very bad look for him.
Yeah it’s a shit statistic and a shit post.
it’s a political post from someone who supposedly doesn’t do politics.
 

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It's beyond fucking stupid. The guy WON SIX SUPER BOWLS HERE.

(Yeah, he's a weirdo and says dumb shit sometimes. That's why I relied on him to do ONE thing for me: throw pretty touchdown passes. Everything else, I just ignore. I didn't give a shit what Secretariat thought about Watergate, either.)
Well, Secretariat was a tragic tale of suicide so I’m not sure I get it, what with him killing himself after being caught gambling.
 

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The best possible take is he's wholly uninformed and tone deaf and used an inappropriate bogey in covid to incorrectly comp with suicide.

I hope its not a politcal statement.
 

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Wait until the torches and pitchforks eventually come out for Belichick
 

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I read that post as more talking about how serious of a problem depression and suicide are and not necessarily downplaying COVID. But yeah, fuck Tom Brady.
You might be right. But in that case, the best thing that can be said about thim and that post is that he's a fucking idiot for not realizing the connection he's making in this politically charged environment. And he also has the numbers way off, by almost a factor of 10.
 

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I just think this is a bit of an overreaction. If that post had said something like “Maybe instead of wearing a mask and washing your hands, we should remember to be nicer to people” I’d be right there with everyone. It didn’t say that though. The logic behind the post is that it compares COVID, something a lot of people are taking extremely seriously, and argues that in addition to taking COVID seriously, people should be just as vigilant about mental health, which in pure theoretical terms, is a hard statement to argue against. Brady likely just saw that post and half-assed reposted it; and now everyone is jump on board to say good riddance to MAGA Tom. It’s frankly embarrassing.

The reaction to Brady since he left has been very unusual around here.
Yeah this is how I read it myself. This doesn’t seem that bad to me. Though I will admit that I’m willing to make excuses for Tom Brady for anything up to, and probably including, first degree murder so I’m definitely biased.
 

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Tom Brady isn't the smartest guy in the world. He seems like a good guy but his brain power is mostly used on football and family. Not every athlete is Jaylen Brown.
I think there's some truth to that. Football savant. People often confuse being articulate with being intelligent. At least he's not an asshole, too.

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C'mon. What if he'd said "more unborn babies died in abortions than covid deaths. Wash your hands and ......"

Even giving him the benefit of the doubt about what he *wanted* to say, he said it in a very dumb way.

"Tom, you're wife is a beautiful woman."
"Tom, you're wife has great tits."
 
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C'mon. What if he'd said "more unborn babies died in abortions than covid deaths. Wash your hands and ......"
Well, if he HAD said something different then the reaction mwould be different. But he didn't say that, so why would that be a thing?
 

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As a fan since his days at Michigan, I still marvel at Brady's excellence. (Especially at age 43.) Additionally, I still cringe every time he says something stupid on social media.

He's not in Curt Schilling territory. (He may yet get there.) But, damn, he doesn't make it easy to like him at times.
 

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As a fan since his days at Michigan, I still marvel at Brady's excellence. (Especially at age 43.) Additionally, I still cringe every time he says something stupid on social media.

He's not in Curt Schilling territory. (He may yet get there.) But, damn, he doesn't make it easy to like him at times.
I mean...he's not even CLOSE to Schilling territory, right?
 

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I mean...he's not even CLOSE to Schilling territory, right?
His tone is not close to Schilling, but the crap he’s pushing comes from the same neighborhood.

Will be interesting to see how that changes (meaning - which direction he goes) after he retires.

Edit: let me emphasize that I’ve never seen any evidence that Brady is motivated by a lot of the fearful, conspiracy-addled crap that Schilling peddles. I am still unsettled by his willingness to uncritically align with grifter nonsense.

I still like and follow Brady. I don’t want that to change.
 

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Brady may be an idiot. But he's not an asshole.
This is how I see it. Schilling is putting all his eggs into the "jerk" basket. Brady isn't being like that...at all. I think he's misinformed and believes some weird stuff, but he comes off as genuinely caring.

Of course, my man love for Tom knows nearly no bounds, so maybe I'm jaded here. I just think he and Schilling are worlds apart in tone and even in content.
 

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We're going after a guy for telling people to wash their hands, wear a mask, and be nicer to people? I get the statistic was wrong, which is probably why he took it down. But come on now...
 

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I mean, Brady is a wealthy white guy. What are the odds that he isn’t a hard and fast republican?

I didn’t think his comment was that terrible, but more incredibly tone deaf.

As most have pointed out, Brady has lived in a bubble that’s beyond imagination for most of us. Incredibly famous and successful. His supermodel billionaire wife waits at home for him in his mansion so he can run practices in the park with his buddies during a pandemic.

He has a team of trainers, nutritionists, chefs, massage therapists, clothing and footwear specialists at Under Armour, coaches, all hovering around him like satellites to his planet to cater to his every need.

Yes, he works hard, trains hard, and hasn’t just fallen into success like some wealthy benefactors. You don’t last that long, at that height in the NFL by sheer luck. But he also hasn’t had to worry about if he can pay his mortgage this month. Or if he has enough money to buy groceries. Or if he’s going to have a job next week because of layoffs.
 

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We're going after a guy for telling people to wash their hands, wear a mask, and be nicer to people? I get the statistic was wrong, which is probably why he took it down. But come on now...
Why post it? There is no excuse for relating the two things except to say the mitigation measures for COVID are wrong...this is before it turns out he posted incorrect stats. He should be slammed for posting it and is.
 

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We're going after a guy for telling people to wash their hands, wear a mask, and be nicer to people? I get the statistic was wrong, which is probably why he took it down. But come on now...
No. I wont speak for anyone else. I found it reprehensible because the comparison to suicide (or just about any other bad thing they can think of) happens to be a method similar to those who downplay Covid entirely, or who use the fear of everyone killing themselves because they can't go to bars as a reason to LIBERATE NOW. At best its an unfortunate and ignorant coincidence.
 

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Why post it? There is no excuse for relating the two things except to say the mitigation measures for COVID are wrong...this is before it turns out he posted incorrect stats. He should be slammed for posting it and is.
Because he thought the stat was correct, but once he realized he fucked up he removed it.

Isn't that what we want to happen?
 

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Because he thought the stat was correct, but once he realized he fucked up he removed it.

Isn't that what we want to happen?
So you are ok with him telling people COVID is not that big a deal? Because that is a terrible thing to do.
 

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No. I wont speak for anyone else. I found it reprehensible because the comparison to suicide (or just about any other bad thing they can think of) happens to be a method similar to those who downplay Covid entirely, or who use the fear of everyone killing themselves because they can't go to bars as a reason to LIBERATE NOW. At best its an unfortunate and ignorant coincidence.
I guess we can agree to disagree. There are plenty of wahoos out there saying we shouldn't wear masks, etc. but it's been well written about that many are struggling with mental health during this crisis. He seems to be trying to send a positive message and it came out clunky.
 

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The reason it's not a good look is because the comparison to suicides has specifically been a right wing talking point. I doubt he took the post down because he found out the data was wrong. He more likely took the post down because it was generating massive negative feedback.
 

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So you are ok with him telling people COVID is not that big a deal? Because that is a terrible thing to do.
Yes that's TOTALLY what I meant.

No wait--what I actually said was that he posted something wrong on the internet and then, apparently when he got pushback, removed it.
 

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The reason it's not a good look is because the comparison to suicides has specifically been a right wing talking point. I doubt he took the post down because he found out the data was wrong. He more likely took the post down because it was generating massive negative feedback.
I haven't specifically seen that, but it's something that goes beyond a "right wing talking point". The CDC has talked about suicides and ODs rising sharply during COVID and the "hidden" deaths.


The nation’s suicide rate reached historic highs prior to the COVID-19 pandemic, with rates at the highest levels since World War II.
 

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I haven't specifically seen that, but it's something that goes beyond a "right wing talking point". The CDC has talked about suicides and ODs rising sharply during COVID and the "hidden" deaths.

Yeah, I took what he was saying is basically: Let's not forget that in the midst of covid, there are all kinds of people hurting in other ways so let's do the right thing and care about them.

I thought that was the gist of the message.
 

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Here's the thing about Brady, whether or not there is any correlation between the TB12 method and Guerrero and Brady's longevity, Brady clearly and sincerely believes that there is. And honestly the fact that he's still playing at a very high level at his age is evidence of . . . something. Maybe it is Brady's DNA, luck, pliability, diet, concussion water, or a combination of all of the above. But I think we can safely say that when Brady peddles the TB12 method, which is parts useful and parts garbage, he honestly believes it works and everyone would be healthier, physically and mentally, if they did what he did.

So to me this is an extension of that same sentiment. I think he believes that people should wear masks and hand wash and take reasonable precautions to prevent the spread of COVID, but at the same time he doesn't think people should lock themselves away because for him, that would be absolutely debilitating to his own mental health. Personally we've been balancing this with our own family, so I can relate to the sentiment. That said, the post itself is obviously a bad look because the data is wrong, the point can be made without referencing suicide at all, and because it can be construed to mean he thinks COVID is not a big deal, even though he doesn't say that directly. I do wish he would shut up about this kind of stuff and the other quackery he occasionally mentions.

Anyway, Brady is who he is. YMMV but this one doesn't move the needle for me in terms of my own view of Brady as an immensely talented football player and a super-weird guy with whom I am pretty sure I have absolutely nothing in common. Love to see him play football, don't really care much for his off the field persona so long as we don't get too much closer to Schilling territory.
 

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Because he thought the stat was correct, but once he realized he fucked up he removed it.

Isn't that what we want to happen?
I think you'd want Brady to post a clarification.

You could post an anti- suicide, treat people nice without bringing Covid into it.

Brady has violated Covid regulations previously. Getting kicked out of a Tampa Park.

He has gone against NFLPA and continued to hold workouts with teammates. Posting FDR quote "Only thing we have to fear, is fear itself"

I think the evidence would suggest he is not concerned with the Coronavirus.
 
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I just think this is a bit of an overreaction. If that post had said something like “Maybe instead of wearing a mask and washing your hands, we should remember to be nicer to people” I’d be right there with everyone. It didn’t say that though. The logic behind the post is that it compares COVID, something a lot of people are taking extremely seriously, and argues that in addition to taking COVID seriously, people should be just as vigilant about mental health, which in pure theoretical terms, is a hard statement to argue against. Brady likely just saw that post and half-assed reposted it; and now everyone is jump on board to say good riddance to MAGA Tom. It’s frankly embarrassing.

The reaction to Brady since he left has been very unusual around here.
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Whatever else Brady is, he's a 43-year old adult with children, and with this post he's behaving like an irresponsible fool. If he's that concerned about suicide and mental health, he should have, particularly at his age and with his national reach, at a minimum bothered to check the statistic before posting.