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For what it is worth, over on Celticsstrong there is a poster who seems to live in Europe and seems to know the basketball leagues and players there. His suggestion is for the Celtics to draft PG Theo Maledon. He believes that Maledon is not only very talented, but smart and very young (18 years old). The poster believes Maledon is about to take the "next step", which I assume means he is about to jump up in skills.


I watched the videos and Maledon looks like a good mid-range pick. In the videos I watched he never shot or finished with his left hand though. The CS poster acknowledges that but says with practice and confidence it will go away as a problem. So, someone else for us to consider.

EDIT: Here is the CS thread I mentioned above.

 

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Nice piece in the Athletic about some prospects that might be available/interesting to the Celtics. Maxey, Achiuwa, Bey, Nesmith and Green are those discussed. Both Weiss and Vecenie like Maxey (Rozier comp) and Achiuwa at 17. Nesmith and Bey get dinged a little for lack of athleticism, although both could be solid catch and shoot prospects. Green seems to have some defensive upside but needs work on offense.


Rozier seems like a more realistic comp for Maxey than a lot of what I've been seeing. I like him as a college player, but it's tough for guys his size to have a lot of value if they don't distribute particularly well. But a lot of people are high on him and I'm almost always wrong in trying to figure out which of the Kentucky combo guards actually have ancillary skills versus the ones who merely appear to have been held back by the system, so I dunno. I would be surprised if he lasts to the Memphis pick though.

I would be really happy with Kira Lewis in the late first, but I figured we'd have to take him with the Memphis pick if we wanted him. I think I'd take him straight up over Maxey, who he's 6 months younger than, despite being a sophomore. He doesn't have Maxey's strength, but he can play point and he's young, productive, athletic and can shoot, which gives him more upside than the other non-lottery PG prospects. He's got legit De'Aaron Fox-type speed.
 

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For what it is worth, over on Celticsstrong there is a poster who seems to live in Europe and seems to know the basketball leagues and players there. His suggestion is for the Celtics to draft PG Theo Maledon. He believes that Maledon is not only very talented, but smart and very young (18 years old). The poster believes Maledon is about to take the "next step", which I assume means he is about to jump up in skills.


I watched the videos and Maledon looks like a good mid-range pick. In the videos I watched he never shot or finished with his left hand though. The CS poster acknowledges that but says with practice and confidence it will go away as a problem. So, someone else for us to consider.
I kinda/sorta agree with him. I have seen Maledon make shots with his left hand, but only because I've watched waaaaaaay too much tape. If you could combine Maledon with Killian Hayes you'd have a #1 worthy player. As it is what I can say for Maledon is that his left is better than Hayes' right. Which is like saying dying of a heart attack is better than dying of ass cancer because they both suck.

Maledon's shot mechanics aren't a problem, per se, but that release of his is slow, so he won't really be more than a complementary scorer. He gets dinged for his athleticism, but I think it's for the same reason that Tatum does, he glides across the court. Yet he covers as much distance as anyone as he does it. He's shifty and changes speeds and directions extremely well. Watch any highlight reel and you'll see at least one play where the defender beats him to the spot with feet to spare only to end up waving helplessly as Maledon breezes by him. If there's a reason to be hopeful about Maledon learning to finish with his left it's his left handle, he dribbles pretty well with it. So it's not completely useless.

Defensively he has the size/length/athleticism package needed to handle modern switch all the time D. He's roughly the same size as Langford, although Langford's a little bit longer. Switch left to right and this scouting report works for Hayes (though I think he's a better shooter). I like both guys, but they both have a significant hole in their games to repair if they're to become NBA lead guards.
 

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More draft thoughts from Hollinger: Reed over Achiuwa, although it's close. Kira Lewis is better and younger than the freshman class point guards. Sam Merrill is this year's Western sleeper. Dotson over Tre Jones.

 

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WEEI continues to be next to useless.

To start, why would they have the Chicago Bulls picking #1? Toppin going #13? strange stuff

 

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WEEI continues to be next to useless.

To start, why would they have the Chicago Bulls picking #1? Toppin going #13? strange stuff

I’d guess they just generated a random draft order on Tankathon or the like, which imho isn’t any less valid than assuming the lotto will shake out in exact order of reverse W-L record.

On Toppin: not sure I’ve seen him quite as low as #13, but I have seen concerns voiced that he doesn’t have an NBA position, defensively.
 

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WEEI continues to be next to useless.

To start, why would they have the Chicago Bulls picking #1? Toppin going #13? strange stuff

Calling FSU's Patrick Williams a "freshman phenom" is quite a stretch. He averaged 9.2 points and 4.0 rebounds per game in 2019-20.
 

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I’d guess they just generated a random draft order on Tankathon or the like, which imho isn’t any less valid than assuming the lotto will shake out in exact order of reverse W-L record.

On Toppin: not sure I’ve seen him quite as low as #13, but I have seen concerns voiced that he doesn’t have an NBA position, defensively.
If Toppin is at 13 I'd hope the C's package all their 1st and 2nd rounders this year for him and call it a day
 

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Nice article from Vecenie on the Athletic today with his current big board. Good discussion down below on some of the prospects. Highlights;

Ball, Edwards, Wiseman at the top. 15-20 is Achiuwa, S.Bey, Tre Jones, Maledon, Stewart, Hampton.

 

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Assuming the Celtics have the 17, 26, and 30th picks in the first round this year, what would they realistically get in a package for all three? I've looked at a few draft pick value charts, and the put the value at somewhere around #5, however they all say that the team trading up will not expect to get full value, so they'd probably end up with something in the 7-10 range.

So first, what teams likely to be drafting in that range would place more value on making three picks in the second half of the first round vs one pick in the mid to late lottery? A team that is far away from contending with lots of holes to fill, and/or a team about to start a rebuild. Sounds a lot like Washington at #9. Toppin might be available there, and as others have said, he's a great fit for the Celtics. I also like Okongwu a lot, who could be available at 9.
 

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There’s really no point to trading up this year. If they’re dealing they’re better of dealing for future firsts.
 

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There’s really no point to trading up this year. If they’re dealing they’re better of dealing for future firsts.
Future firsts will have a ton of protections that I want no part of. This year is a bad year to have the #1 or #2 pick, but picks in the high single digits are pretty much the same year to year.
 

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Everything I read about LaMelo seems to be a mirror of Lonzo. He's a big point guard with great vision that has terrible shooting mechanics, avoids contact at the rim and lacks the burst to beat defenders. I'd be hesitant to pick him in the top five.
 

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Future firsts will have a ton of protections that I want no part of. This year is a bad year to have the #1 or #2 pick, but picks in the high single digits are pretty much the same year to year.
All draft picks are protected, so who cares if you trade #26 in ‘20 for a ‘25 #1? This is a roleplayer draft. The quality at #9 is not significantly different than at #17 or #26.
 

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I’m keeping all 3 picks in a year where scouting is incomplete and hoping that someone interesting slides to the 20s, for whatever reason. Would ideally keep 17 and trade 26/30 for a low 20s pick if someone slides.
 

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Perusing KOCs list:

I'd stay away from drafting a BIG with the first 2 picks but would definitely use the Mil pick on the kid from Minnesota, Daniel Oturu or on Vernon Carey if he continues his cliff dive

I'd love to see the C's get Nesmith and/or Patrick Williams with their first two picks

the salary cap, more then ever, is going to dictate the value of 1st round picks this year
 
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I also like Okongwu a lot, who could be available at 9.
Okongwu would be freaking incredible on the Cs, but he may be the fastest riser on the board right now, with Killian Hayes.

KOC / The Ringer has him at #5.
Tankathon #2.
SI #2.
USA Today #3.
CBS Sports #4.

As to why a 6'-9" center with no proven ball skills or floor-stretching ability should be prized that highly, I think Richard Stayman at SI may have summed it up in two words: "defensive unicorn." He's an elite rim protector who apparently moves/switches like a wing and can lock people up all over the floor. Beyond that: incredible motor, great hands and finishing ability, and a nice FT stroke, which could presage offensive stretchability down the road. Put up elite college numbers in a top conference, and is almost three years younger than Obi Toppin.

I definitely won't complain if he ends up a Warrior.
 

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So, it seems like your record in the seeding games impacts whether or not you are in the lottery, but aside from that, doesn't impact your lottery chances (the slots are based entirely on the W/L records already in the books).
 

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I guess discussion of next season won't really start in earnest until they have an agreement to start this season, but a draft in mid October puts that happening after training camp (and the preseason) usually starts. Last year the first games were about the 3rd week of October, I believe.

If next season doesn't end up starting until December, it won't really be an issue, though.
 

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I just read Vecenie’s latest mock and he has Boston taking Ty Maxey in the mid first. I think draft analysts put way too much emphasis on mocking traditional centers and point guards to Boston, when they just don’t seem to value those guys very highly. I can’t see them passing up someone like Josh Green for Maxey.

You can’t even raise Green’s shooting as Maxey’s jumper is also pretty terrible. But Green is a Jaylen type (athletic 6’6” wing w/6’10” wingspan and 8’8” standing reach) that can defend 1-4 while Maxey’s a 6’3” player that doesn’t look very switchy (6’3” w/ 6’4” wingspan and 8’3” standing reach).

Kenyon Martin Jr. is apparently in this draft, he’s got his old man’s athleticism in a pretty good size package (6’7” 210) for a 19 year old. His game looks really raw on the offensive end (his footwork when setting screens is flat out awful). But given that Boston has a pick in the total crapshoot section of the draft, he might be worth a second round flier as a two way prospect.

Vecenie also mentions the possibility that Golden State looks to move their 2020 #1 for immediate help, and if it’s not #1 they very well could look to go that route. It would keep alive my dream of seeing Isaac Okoro in Boston. As a 6’6” 230lb Marcus Smart he’d give Boston some of the best bench D in the NBA (plus it would be hilarious to see Embiid weeping in frustration at having to face Marcii when Philly plays Boston).
 

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What do the celtics have that golden state would want for a high lottery pick besides guys the cs are never moving?
 

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Long term one of Walker, Hayward, or Jaylen has to go in order to keep Boston from getting fubared by the luxury taxes. So, yes, in fact, they will move them.
 

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Long term one of Walker, Hayward, or Jaylen has to go in order to keep Boston from getting fubared by the luxury taxes. So, yes, in fact, they will move them.
While I agree with this overall, Jaylen isn't going anywhere this fall, the warriors wouldn't want Kemba, and Hayward's value as either a S+T or a 1 year max rental is far less than the Ws pick
 

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In a normal draft that might be true (as the Warriors pick could easily be #5 with the flatter odds), but this draft is really a roleplayer one. So a top five pick has a lot less value this year. And if the Warriors could turn their pick and Andrew Wiggins into a better performer on a short term deal they’d likely do it in a cocaine heartbeat. Boston, on the other hand, wouldn’t touch it unless they knew they had a way of unloading Wiggins for nothing.
 
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