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Couldnt GS add (a) players to make the money work?
Not sure we would want GS's flotsom while also giving the best player in the trade but If the 2 and Hayward are a match then they should be able to work out the money.
Can't combine a TPE with other salaries, which is the complicating factor.

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Couldnt GS add (a) players to make the money work?
Not sure we would want GS's flotsom while also giving the best player in the trade but If the 2 and Hayward are a match then they should be able to work out the money.
I don't think you can combine them with players.
 

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Celts would get a trade exemption from that as well. I'd think Smart/14 is sufficient. If trading Smart enables you to keep Hayward I'd do that and solve the defensive hole later. Not sure GS would, but it's an interesting idea. If you're losing Hayward I don't think Celts can also lose Smart
 

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Reading the tea leaves my prediction for what happens tonight (not necessarily what I want to happen) is that the Celtics pick at #14 (maybe giving up a second-rounder to move up a spot or two if someone they like falls) and then trade the two later picks for a future pick or two with some protections (or maybe use one of the later picks for a flyer on a Euro guy).
 

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Semi's contract is non-guaranteed and can be cut. He's not really the problem. The challenge is Kanter (if he opts in) and to a lesser extent, Poirier. I don't fault them for the Kanter signing, but giving 2 years to a guy who your coach seems to think doesn't belong anywhere near a basketball court seems like a mistake.
They can't do anything with Kanter until Friday. But the post-draft moves everywhere are going to be fascinating to watch.
 

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Yeah, that's the problem that GS is dealing with. This would be much easier if they had like #8 or something. It will never happen for a variety of reasons but Smart/14/26 for 2 would at least be in the ballpark of a reasonable offer that both teams might consider.
Smart is better than anyone top three is likely to ever be. So there's no need to be adding #14 to the mix. Especially since the reason for the deal would be an offer for Harden.
 

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Smart is better than anyone top three is likely to ever be. So there's no need to be adding #14 to the mix. Especially since the reason for the deal would be an offer for Harden.
That may or may not be true statistically, but in terms of "expecations" and perceived upside almost every team would prefer to have a top-3 pick over a very good, but not elite, wing. Even this year.

I think GS may be smart enough to realize that especially given their roster that math is inverted for them right now, especially given this year's top of the draft guys, but it's an unusual position where that is true.
 

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Smart is better than anyone top three is likely to ever be. So there's no need to be adding #14 to the mix. Especially since the reason for the deal would be an offer for Harden.
Wiseman is the only guy I can talk myself into eventually getting to Smart’s level. Melo won’t be able to score at NBA level and his defense is likely to be meh. Edwards seems to have all the tools but something is lacking.
 

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Can't combine a TPE with other salaries, which is the complicating factor.

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That's true but GSW could do use the TPE to do step up trade to get north of 17.2. In other words, acquire an expiring with the 17.2, then use that contract as the matching salary for a deal packaged with #2.
 

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Sadly too small for Hayward to work. He'd be a great fit for them, and Gordon, 14 + for 2 makes a lot of sense.
Could GH fit into the trade exception by opting out and re-signing a multiple year contract with that cap figure? If it's posisble, he'd be getting somewere around $68M and a chance to win?
 

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Matt Moore reporting that talks between the Celtics and Warriors centered around Smart for #2 fell through.
 

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That may or may not be true statistically, but in terms of "expecations" and perceived upside almost every team would prefer to have a top-3 pick over a very good, but not elite, wing. Even this year.
Historically this is untrue. In 2013 Chris Grant had the #1 pick and he was unable to find anyone willing to trade him even a tier three star for it. Why? Because the draft was widely considered a roleplayer draft without star power and the #1 pick just didn't have much value. No matter what fans' "expectations" were.
 

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I mean if it was part of a Harden deal I could see it, the idea being that you go to Houston and say "#2, #14, #26, Myles Turner, and Sex Pants for Harden" (making it part of the #2 deal and the Hayward one to make the cash work). But aside from that, I can't. Maybe the Warriors got greedy and demanded more draft picks for the #2 pick in a roleplayer draft?
 

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It would be a gut punch, no doubt. Plus Marcus is a better center than Wiseman will ever be.
I think Marcus Smart may be the #1 Boston player at this point that if he were traded for fair value, I would genuinely be pissed off and consider not watching games (I would still watch of course).

He is the absolute leader and soul of that team. I fucking love him — warts and all. I don’t think there is another Boston athlete right now that would come close (Bergeron 5 years ago maybe). I mean, Tatum would get us huge talent and I would get over it etc., but to me, Smart’s worth to this team is so much higher than any value we would get in return for him.
 

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Warriors/Celtics discussion:

Bob Myers: hey Danny we have a TPE where we could take Marcus Smart off your hands and give you the #2 pick in a crap draft

Danny Ainge: no thanks Bob, we're naming Marcus our Captain next week
 
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Unless there is another sneaker to drop, and it has to be a big fucking sneaker, trading Marcus is subraction by subtraction. He's on a friendly contract and does so many things for the Celts, and damn it he plays so damn tough, wears his heart on his sleeve, flaws and all, I like watching him play.
 

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Unless there is another sneaker to drop, and it has to be a big fucking sneaker, trading Marcus is subraction by subtraction. He's on a friendly contract and does so many things for the Celts, and damn it he plays so damn tough, wears his heart on his sleeve, flaws and all, I like watching him play.
It's someone fucking with Danny for some reason. Someone is trying to piss in his Cheerios.
 

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I think Marcus Smart may be the #1 Boston player at this point that if he were traded for fair value, I would genuinely be pissed off and consider not watching games (I would still watch of course).

He is the absolute leader and soul of that team. I fucking love him — warts and all. I don’t think there is another Boston athlete right now that would come close (Bergeron 5 years ago maybe). I mean, Tatum would get us huge talent and I would get over it etc., but to me, Smart’s worth to this team is so much higher than any value we would get in return for him.
I just got legitimately upset at the thought of him coming back to Boston in a Dubs uniform and getting the standing O and tribute video treatment.

There’s also just the fact that he’s a really good player in the prime of his career, on a good contract.The game (on offense) has really slowed down for him. If he just continues his growth curve in ball-handling and distributing, he’s a solid offensive player. If he shoots 38% from three with improved shot selection, he’s a legit two way star. Granted, we’ve been saying that for a couple of years now, but I’m not betting against him.
 

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I'm sure that discussion happened.

GS wanted to trade 2 for a player to slot into a 17.2M TPE, Marcus is ideal for them, exactly the kind of player they would want to be their new Iggy.,
I assume they called, Danny asked for more than the #2, they tossed around some suggestions and then decided Danny would want too much on top and GS moved on to other possibilites (like Valanciunas)
 

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This is a weird trade, unless NY has a contingent deal to move #8 and #23 to move up.

Otherwise, why trade up from #23 to #27 pre-draft when you have no idea if the guy you want will definitely be available then.
It didn't exactly cost a lot to move up, so why not?
 

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Historically this is untrue. In 2013 Chris Grant had the #1 pick and he was unable to find anyone willing to trade him even a tier three star for it. Why? Because the draft was widely considered a roleplayer draft without star power and the #1 pick just didn't have much value. No matter what fans' "expectations" were.
If your point is that it might have been true in one draft in memory, sure. My point is that in most all drafts, it is untrue and this draft for all its flaws is still better than 2013 so the point stands.