2020 Gronk Watch: Gronkmania

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Gambler7

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You would hope for #45, but the way these things have gone in the past when it is limited to one team. I expect considerably less.
 

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I have no idea how you value this? I mean he's been retired, you can't keep him because of cap.... Marshawn traded with a 6th (ended up at 192) for a 5th (ended up as 146). Now Gronk is a much better and more valuable player than Marshawn, but also... the Patriots can't just keep him.

Maybe something like Gronk and 213 for 139 is probably the best you can hope for.
 

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I have no idea how you value this? I mean he's been retired, you can't keep him because of cap....
We can keep his rights, no? If he's retired it doesn't count against us. Can he unretire and hit our cap or do we need to agree?
 

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I have no idea how you value this? I mean he's been retired, you can't keep him because of cap.... Marshawn traded with a 6th (ended up at 192) for a 5th (ended up as 146). Now Gronk is a much better and more valuable player than Marshawn, but also... the Patriots can't just keep him.

Maybe something like Gronk and 213 for 139 is probably the best you can hope for.
They can’t keep him but I’m pretty sure they won’t have to keep him in the event that no trade happened. He wants to play with Brady. How much of a staring contest does BB want.
 
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A year too late. Not sure how to feel about this. Sad? Happy? Confused? Watching TB and Gronk on the bucs next year is going to make me sad I think.
 

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We can keep his rights, no? If he's retired it doesn't count against us. Can he unretire and hit our cap or do we need to agree?
He can unretire and create a $9.25m cap hit. So I think the Pats HAVE to move him.
 

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Am I the only person who sees this as almost a best-case scenario for the Pats? Sure, I miss Gronk but there may not even be a season this year and we could get a draft pick with 4 years of control? Sign me up.
 

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Howard and a mid round pick. Get it done.
Are we trading 23 with gronk?

They can’t keep him but I’m pretty sure they won’t have to keep him in the event that no trade happened. How much of a staring contest does BB want.
Sure, the point is more... the options are whatever TB will give us or nothing. Usually in a trade you have 3 options:
1. The value of the offer you receive
2. The value the player brings you by playing
3. The value you can get from other teams

2 and 3 aren't on the board for a retired player who only wants to come back to one situation.
 

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We can keep his rights, no? If he's retired it doesn't count against us. Can he unretire and hit our cap or do we need to agree?
I think if he says that he's ready the Patriots would have to cut him in order to avoid taking on the cap. Not sure what the timing is though.

It would be weird if a retired player could by submitting paperwork immediately put a team over the cap during the league year so I'm sure there's some allowance for it.
 

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I have no idea how you value this? I mean he's been retired, you can't keep him because of cap.... Marshawn traded with a 6th (ended up at 192) for a 5th (ended up as 146). Now Gronk is a much better and more valuable player than Marshawn, but also... the Patriots can't just keep him.

Maybe something like Gronk and 213 for 139 is probably the best you can hope for.
I agree -- the Pats would be lucky to get this much value.
 

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Am I the only person who sees this as almost a best-case scenario for the Pats? Sure, I miss Gronk but there may not even be a season this year and we could get a draft pick with 4 years of control? Sign me up.
It's something for nothing, so it's safe to say all Pats fans are aligned on trading him.
 

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Gronk and Brady in TB? Package him with Jules and Tommy will be happy and motivated.

If the Pats can get a player of value or decent pick back for #87, win/win.
 

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I think if he says that he's ready the Patriots would have to cut him in order to avoid taking on the cap. Not sure what the timing is though.

It would be weird if a retired player could by submitting paperwork immediately put a team over the cap during the league year so I'm sure there's some allowance for it.
You can't cut him to avoid the cap hit. If you cut him, he hits your cap.
I may be wrong about that -- Patscap thinks the Pats could be allowed to release his rights before he unretires.
View: https://twitter.com/patscap/status/1252689805793734658


I'm very curious if there's a rule about this.
 

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A year too late. Not sure how to feel about this. Sad? Happy? Confused? Watching TB and Gronk on the bucs next year is going to make me sad I think.
I'm a little bit sad about it. I'm sure that stuff about being tired of getting injured was true but this kind of confirms that at the end of the day the problem was that he wasn't excited enough about playing for the Pats to take the risk of injury, but he is excited enough about the opportunity to play with the new thing down in Tampa and Brady that he is willing to put his body through all that again.
 

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I'm not particularly eager to capitulate here. I'd start high, Howard and a 2, or a couple picks including a 2, and only move very slightly off that.
 

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Gronk and Brady in TB? Package him with Jules and Tommy will be happy and motivated.

If the Pats can get a player of value or decent pick back for #87, win/win.
I wonder whether TB would trade pick 45 for two 87s, Gronk and pick number 87.

EDIT: Seems like a good compromise between demanding a heist and just giving him away.
 

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You can't cut him to avoid the cap hit. If you cut him, he hits your cap.
I may be wrong about that:
View: https://twitter.com/patscap/status/1252689805793734658


I'm very curious if there's a rule about this.
Yeah, there's nothing to hit the cap if he is cut because they already took the cap charge for his signing bonus, I'm pretty sure. All he has is the salary under his contract. The salary goes against the cap once he is on the team at least for the period until he is cut.
 

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I don’t believe the Patriots are going to keep him, but why couldn’t they theoretically trade someone else to create cap room and keep Gronk? I don’t understand why people think they have zero leverage, or maybe I don’t understand the cap.
 

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Am I the only person who sees this as almost a best-case scenario for the Pats? Sure, I miss Gronk but there may not even be a season this year and we could get a draft pick with 4 years of control? Sign me up.
Nope. That's where I am.

In theory, even getting a 6th round pick for him is good, because otherwise he stays retired. But we should definitely start higher.
 

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I don't get the clamoring for OJ Howard. He is going to be a UFA after this year and is gonna get paid after. One year of Howard makes no sense to me.

I'd offer Gronk + 98 or 100 for 45 and go from there.
 

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I don’t believe the Patriots are going to keep him, but why couldn’t they theoretically trade someone else to create cap room and keep Gronk? I don’t understand why people think they have zero leverage, or maybe I don’t understand the cap.
Gronk could just retire again in this case. I'm sure the only way he'll play again is if he gets to play with Brady.
 

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I don't get the clamoring for OJ Howard. He is going to be a UFA after this year and is gonna get paid after. One year of Howard makes no sense to me.
But if trading the rights to a retired player brings him here, what's the loss? Even if he leaves after 1 season.
 

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I don’t believe the Patriots are going to keep him, but why couldn’t they theoretically trade someone else to create cap room and keep Gronk? I don’t understand why people think they have zero leverage, or maybe I don’t understand the cap.
The cap hit isn't the issue really. He won't file for re-instatement until the trade is agreed.
 

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I don't get the clamoring for OJ Howard. He is going to be a UFA after this year and is gonna get paid after. One year of Howard makes no sense to me.
OJ Howard isn't a UFA after this season; his team will have the fifth year option of just over $5mil. That's not a prohibitive amount if Howard plays up to his potential.
 

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I don’t believe the Patriots are going to keep him, but why couldn’t they theoretically trade someone else to create cap room and keep Gronk? I don’t understand why people think they have zero leverage, or maybe I don’t understand the cap.
They could but then Gronk just wouldn’t return. Assuming the reporting is true and he wants to be traded to Tampa
 

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If the choices for the Pats are get what you can from TB or release his rights, I think they’ll get what they can.
Of course, one could say "If the choice for Bucs is to get HOF TE for OJ Howard or the 45th pick you do it."
 
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