I am assuming they will move Todd Frazier at some point, so third. (I’m also not convinced that’s who Rosenthal means.)Sorry to be "that guy," but where does Chavis play in NY?
3B? Frazier is gone after this season.Sorry to be "that guy," but where does Chavis play in NY?
It makes some sense, but we really don't have another outfielder to play left if 10D moves to center. Do you want to see Bryce Brenz in the lineup every day as we're fighting for a wild card spot?Since it's the Mets, is JBJ for Diaz in play? You'd think not but they don't have a CF.
I think it would be Chavis, 0 games experience in LF be damned. Or they'd make a 2nd deal for a LF.It makes some sense, but we really don't have another outfielder to play left if 10D moves to center. Do you want to see Bryce Brenz in the lineup every day as we're fighting for a wild card spot?
It’s not exactly a one-for-one trade since Diaz has two additional years of control over Workman. And as good as he’s been, he’s almost 31 and been a middle reliever his whole career, plus there has to be some concern about workload and injury.I know everyone thinks that Diaz would be a boon of an acquisition and whatever has ailed him this year will magically clear up if he puts on a Red Sox uniform, but I fail to see how the Sox get better if the cost of acquiring him is another reliever on the current roster. I've seen Workman and Hernandez suggested in just the last dozen posts. One of those guys has been one of the better relievers all year and the other is a young guy with a lot of potential. I just don't buy that it's a net step forward to trade one reliever for another, even if it's a "proven" closer with a CY level season on his resume.
To be clear, I like the idea of getting Diaz and "fixing" him, but not if the cost is dealing away another reliever. A one-for-one trade like that doesn't strike me as an upgrade to the roster, just a light coat of fresh paint.
Yes I’d expect a deal for a LF if JBJ goes. I just have a hard time seeing it. I think that would do some clubhouse damage.I think it would be Chavis, 0 games experience in LF be damned. Or they'd make a 2nd deal for a LF.
I'm not talking about long term though. I'm strictly talking about the next 2-3 months. If this year's team's weakness is the bullpen, then trading someone who's been reliable and productive like Workman for a guy who's in the midst of a down year and hoping for an instant turnaround out of him seems like a poor bet. Adding Diaz to what they have is helpful, and potentially course-altering. Swapping him with someone they already have is at best treading water.It’s not exactly a one-for-one trade since Diaz has two additional years of control over Workman. And as good as he’s been, he’s almost 31 and been a middle reliever his whole career, plus there has to be some concern about workload and injury.
For sure. Workman isn’t going anywhere.I'm not talking about long term though. I'm strictly talking about the next 2-3 months. If this year's team's weakness is the bullpen, then trading someone who's been reliable and productive like Workman for a guy who's in the midst of a down year and hoping for an instant turnaround out of him seems like a poor bet. Adding Diaz to what they have is helpful, and potentially course-altering. Swapping him with someone they already have is at best treading water.
100%. There is a legitimate chance that trading Workman for Diaz makes the Sox worse this year. DD isn't doing that at the deadline.I'm not talking about long term though. I'm strictly talking about the next 2-3 months. If this year's team's weakness is the bullpen, then trading someone who's been reliable and productive like Workman for a guy who's in the midst of a down year and hoping for an instant turnaround out of him seems like a poor bet. Adding Diaz to what they have is helpful, and potentially course-altering. Swapping him with someone they already have is at best treading water.
So if it was Dalbec+Darwinzon for Diaz you'd say no? I get Workman, but Darwinzon? Nevermind a 1 for 1. I don't know how anyone would pass up Darwinzon straight up for Diaz but that's not happening.100%. There is a legitimate chance that trading Workman for Diaz makes the Sox worse this year. DD isn't doing that at the deadline.
If I was talking about Darwinzon in my post then I seriously misspelled his name.So if it was Dalbec+Darwinzon for Diaz you'd say no? I get Workman, but Darwinzon? Nevermind a 1 for 1. I don't know how anyone would pass up Darwinzon straight up for Diaz but that's not happening.
No, but the original post said trading either Workman or Darwinzon 1 for 1 wouldn't be wise. I was just curious if you'd make the deal I proposed though.If I was talking about Darwinzon in my post then I seriously misspelled his name.
I like Darwinzon but yes I would absolutely do Dalbec + Darwinzon for DiazNo, but the original post said trading either Workman or Darwinzon 1 for 1 wouldn't be wise. I was just curious if you'd make the deal I proposed though.
Yeah, I was hoping I wasn't on an island by myself. I'd do it with a smile on my face. Darwinzon's best outcome is Diaz. Dalbec is fungible to me.I like Darwinzon but yes I would absolutely do Dalbec + Darwinzon for Diaz
Exactly how I feel about both of those guys.Yeah, I was hoping I wasn't on an island by myself. I'd do it with a smile on my face. Darwinzon's best outcome is Diaz. Dalbec is fungible to me.
Hmmm what happened when they traded Jon Lester and Andrew Miller and then tried to get them back in the fall?Not when you can get one for JD ... then wink-sign him next year
It's kinda like trading Ty Buttrey for Ian Kinsler. You do it if you think it makes a difference this year. Of course Kinsler didn't make a difference and Ty Buttrey would look pretty good in Boston, though he's been terrible the last 2 months so it's debatable on how good he ends up. And you know, we won a WS last year.Moving Hernandez is less objectionable to moving Workman in the short term (this year), but from a long term perspective, I can't say I'm enamored with the idea of trading a young fireballing lefty (albeit with control issues) for a guy who *might* be a quick fix away from returning to his dominant 2018 form. I'd probably do a deal like that, but with some reservations.
Huge IF, but if the Mets somehow move on from Cano I see McNeil at third and Chavis at second or vice versa depending on who is a better suited at either position with Alonso and Rosario rounding out the infield. Nimmo and Conforto at corner OF positions and perhaps they can move Smith for a young glove in center. That fields a solid core of good, young, cost controlled playersSorry to be "that guy," but where does Chavis play in NY?
I say no. It's too late. They'd have a back end of Diaz, Eovaldi, Barnes, and Workman. They could make every game 6 innings.If we get Diaz...does Eo start stretching out?
If they can get it to 3 innings, Sale becomes useful againI say no. It's too late. They'd have a back end of Diaz, Eovaldi, Barnes, and Workman. They could make every game 6 innings.
I think Eovaldi would assume a rover, 6 out type role every other night. With Diaz/Barnes/Workman as our core relievers. Basically what we hoped Wright could do.If we get Diaz...does Eo start stretching out?
Bullpen would start looking pretty good at that rate.I think Eovaldi would assume a rover, 6 out type role every other night. With Diaz/Barnes/Workman as our core relievers. Basically what we hoped Wright could do.
Kinsler made a difference over who might have played those innings instead. Minor quibble but if you are measuring the short-term value, it's partly over who you're replacing. Here, not only are you getting Diaz but you're moving some other guys around. The "proven closer" thing may be BS on some level but it does help Cora arrange his bullpen load if you get a guy like that. Here you are replacing innings by Darwinzon, plus some of Hembree or Walden or Brewer's innings? Anyway, that's the short-term tradeoff. After this year it's just a question of whether Darwinzon comes close enough to what Diaz can already do for this to be anything like a risk. I guess you do it, although Diaz has been shaky enough for me to be OK with not trading for him at all, let alone at the realistic rate (Darwinzon + ).It's kinda like trading Ty Buttrey for Ian Kinsler. You do it if you think it makes a difference this year. Of course Kinsler didn't make a difference and Ty Buttrey would look pretty good in Boston, though he's been terrible the last 2 months so it's debatable on how good he ends up. And you know, we won a WS last year.
Buster Olney said:Other teams have predicted that the Rays would try to make an impactful deal, as they did in 2018, and they have been doing work on closer Edwin Diaz.
What if you take out his 3 best outings?I know it doesn't matter, but it's pretty funny seeing that most desirable reliever on the market has a career record of 5-20.
Although I hear if we take out his 3 worst outings he's only 5-17.
Diaz’ arb number is definitely part of the equation. The 57 save season is a wildcard there.And Vazquez is more desirable than Diaz by a lot, he is better, controlled longer and more cheaply (DIaz will get pricy next year in arb) and is a lefty.
I can't find it now, but I remember reading that he would likely get around $10M his first season (2020).Diaz’ arb number is definitely part of the equation. The 57 save season is a wildcard there.
Providing Eovaldi returns back to his form from last season, I can see a couple of scenarios where he might be useful as an opener. Imagine 2-3 innings of Eovaldi followed by Price, Rodriguez and hopefully a better version of Sale. Using him as a opener might also be a useful way to stretch him out to replace Porcello should he continue shitting all over himself or slide in as a sixth starter when needed.If we get Diaz...does Eo start stretching out?
Abreu has been terrible this year. He's a downgrade from Moreland. Or at the very least, not really an upgrade.if the sox want to make a run u need a bullpen arm or a 1b like arued white sox because u are going to have to outhit teams like this weekend or have a starter give u 6 and find guys for 7-8-9
First base and more offense is NOT a priority for this team.if the sox want to make a run u need a bullpen arm or a 1b like arued white sox because u are going to have to outhit teams like this weekend or have a starter give u 6 and find guys for 7-8-9
What part of his season has been terrible? He's scuffled a bit recently, but with 2/3 of the season in the books he's on pace for 174 hits, 35 doubles, 35 HR, 115 RBI a .265 BA and OPS of .780. On top of that, tonight is the first game that he's not started this season.Abreu has been terrible this year. He's a downgrade from Moreland. Or at the very least, not really an upgrade.
Diaz and Conforto for Bradley and Chavis?It makes some sense, but we really don't have another outfielder to play left if 10D moves to center. Do you want to see Bryce Brenz in the lineup every day as we're fighting for a wild card spot?
This is such a lopsided suggestion according to the baseballtradevalues site (114.50 to 27.1) that even if Boston included Devers (63.4), it would still be way in Boston's favor.Diaz and Conforto for Bradley and Chavis?
Maybe a bit hyperbole but a 1st basemen with an obp barely over .300 and an OPS under .800 isn't worth trading for, especially one making as much as Abreu. How is he an upgrade over what we already have?First base and more offense is NOT a priority for this team.
What part of his season has been terrible? He's scuffled a bit recently, but with 2/3 of the season in the books he's on pace for 174 hits, 35 doubles, 35 HR, 115 RBI a .265 BA and OPS of .780. On top of that, tonight is the first game that he's not started this season.