2019 Pats: Roster Projection 2.0 - BB & the Flash

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Meyers is making this team.

I thought Harris also looked pretty good last night; yes, he could have come down with those two passes, but I thought he was borderline interfered with on both. In the NFL obviously you need to make contested catches sometimes, but both plays looked similar to the Gilmore-Cooks-Harmon play in the Super Bowl where he may have only been working with one arm. In fact I thought BB should have tried challenging the first (mainly to see what happens with the process).

Berrios also looked pretty darn good. Overall the WR situation seems better than originally projected.

Hopefully LaCosse is ok because he looked good too last night, and with Watson out the first four, they probably need him.

On D:

I think Duke Dawson's spot is in jeopardy.

I don't see how they can cut John Simon.

Collins is exciting.

Shelton had a nice night, think he has a good shot to stick.

Rivers flashed for sure.
Agreed. Most of the guys who came in with some questions did a good job of starting to answer them. Dawson isn’t in jeopardy yet but he’s certainly got some work to do.
 

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There are going to be some hard cuts this year. I think the biggest battles are
CB - The last spot at CB between Crossen and Dawson

DE / Edge / Passrusher - Is a little confusing to think about this group because they seem to want to play a lot of 3-4 this year and some guys we think of as DEs might be in more of an OLB role. For now I think it's just easier to label this group as 'edge/passrusher' and not worry about the position label. Bennet and Wise are bigger guys and are certainly safe. Winovich is safe. That leaves John Simon, Derek Rivers and Shilique Calhoun battling. I think John Simon is safe, he has been productive and out of those three seems to play more of an OLB role. Rivers and Calhoun seem to be more hand in the dirt edge rushers. Both seem to be players on the rise but I'm not sure there is room for both of them on the roster. If Simon is safe then that's already 4 guys in this edge/DE/passrusher bucket. Knowing that they have Collins and Hightower as additional options to rush from the edge then I'm not sure it makes sense to devote two more roster spots to pass rushers. Carrying 6 guys from this group would mean making a tough tradeoff at RB, WR, DB.

WR - Counting Slater there are 7 guys that I want to keep (Edelman, Harry, Dorsett, Harris, Meyers, Berrios, Slater). That's a lot of bodies at WR. Also have to consider that Dorsett, Harris and Meyers don't play special teams. When it comes time to set the 45 man game day roster then it's going to be tough to justify 7 guys at this spot when three of them don't play special teams.

Is Damien Harris banged up? I can't find anything about why he didn't play last night. Brossette played well and deserves credit for it, but it was against a physically over matched Lions team. I see no reason to believe he couldn't be an adequate running back but still feels like a practice squad guy to me at best.
 
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If Pennel was slated for 3rd string, he likely would have played last night. Or he could be nursing an undisclosed injury.

It's hard to see them giving up on Rivers in his 3rd season, given that he spent most of last year getting back up to speed after his torn ACL his rookie season. Then again, it's a decision that does not need to be made now.
 

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I think Berrios would be an ideal PS guy. Don’t really need him if Edelman is healthy.
 

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There are going to be some hard cuts this year. I think the biggest battles are
CB - The last spot at CB between Crossen and Dawson
They're pretty different players. Crossen really emerged as a ST last year. He looked like he was playing mostly outside last night, while Dawson was playing in the slot.

DE / Edge / Passrusher Carrying 6 guys from this group would mean making a tough tradeoff at RB, WR, DB.

WR - Counting Slater there are 7 guys that I want to keep (Edelman, Harry, Dorsett, Harris, Meyers, Berrios, Slater). That's a lot of bodies at WR. Also have to consider that Dorsett, Harris and Meyers don't play special teams. When it comes time to set the 45 man game day roster then it's going to be tough to justify 7 guys at this spot when three of them don't play special teams.
Totally with you on both of these. Lots of interesting edge guys, not a lot of spots for them. And I think Dorsett / Meyers / Harris is one too many WR who probably won't start and doesn't play ST. I think Berrios really helped himself last night with some good return work. He maybe didn't flash as much as Meyers or Harris, but he's got a clearer path to a 46-man gameday role as a backup slot and return man.

Is Damien Harris banged up? I can't find anything about why he didn't play last night. Brossette played well and deserves credit for it, but it was against a physically over matched Lions team. I see no reason to believe he couldn't be an adequate running back but still feels like a practice squad guy to me at best.
Phil Perry Tweeted that he "Saw him on the field warming up with some type of brace/tape on his thumb."
 

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We are a couple of weeks away from people asking if player XX can go to the practice squad without bothering to look up the practice squad eligibility rules or that player's history. This might need to be re-posted a few times to cut off those conversations. The rules sound complicated when you read through them, but the most basic takeaway to remember is that most players that have been on active rosters for a most of season are not eligible. So someone like Shilique Calhoun who has played in 26 NFL games across three seasons and once played in 10 games in one season is no longer practice squad eligible.

NFL Practice Squad Eligibility Rules:

If the player was on the active list for fewer than nine games during their "only accrued season(s)", he maintains his eligibility for the practice squad (an accrued season is six or more games on the active roster).

Each club will be permitted to sign a maximum of two Practice Squad players who have earned no more than two accrued seasons. Absent this exception, a player who has earned one or more accrued seasons would not be eligible for a Practice Squad unless the player spent fewer than nine games on a club’s 46-player active list in each of his accrued season

A player cannot participate on the practice squad for more than three seasons

A player must have a minimum of six games on a Practice Squad in order for that season to count as one of the player’s three permissible seasons of Practice Squad service

He is eligible for a third season only if the team has at least 53 players on its active/inactive list for the duration of that player's employment, or have no prior accrued seasons in the NFL (an accrued season is six or more games on the active roster); or if he has accrued a year of NFL experience on a club's 53-man active roster.
 

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Totally with you on both of these. Lots of interesting edge guys, not a lot of spots for them. And I think Dorsett / Meyers / Harris is one too many WR who probably won't start and doesn't play ST. I think Berrios really helped himself last night with some good return work. He maybe didn't flash as much as Meyers or Harris, but he's got a clearer path to a 46-man gameday role as a backup slot and return man.
Harris feels like the odd man out here. Meyers is showing too much and he has so much more upside than the others given age and contract status. And with Jules potentially the only other receiver on the team that has been through some wars with Brady, I think Harris will have to look a lot better than Dorsett to leapfrog him. He has impressed but I'm sure he has impressed to that extent.

I continue to find it amazing that any longshot WR (or DB, RB, or LB for that matter) ever walks into Patriots camp trying to make the team without playing special teams. Even if you haven't in the past, showing a dogged determination to learn the craft would be a plus.
 

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Harris feels like the odd man out here. Meyers is showing too much and he has so much more upside than the others given age and contract status. And with Jules potentially the only other receiver on the team that has been through some wars with Brady, I think Harris will have to look a lot better than Dorsett to leapfrog him. He has impressed but I'm sure he has impressed to that extent.

I continue to find it amazing that any longshot WR (or DB, RB, or LB for that matter) ever walks into Patriots camp trying to make the team without playing special teams. Even if you haven't in the past, showing a dogged determination to learn the craft would be a plus.
I think they'll need all 3 of those WRs to start the year. Edelman, Harry, Harris, Meyers, Berrios, and Dorsett is their depth chart. Inman is the odd man out. Then they'll have to make a decision if and when D. Thomas and Cam Meredith are ready.
 

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I think they'll need all 3 of those WRs to start the year. Edelman, Harry, Harris, Meyers, Berrios, and Dorsett is their depth chart. Inman is the odd man out. Then they'll have to make a decision if and when D. Thomas and Cam Meredith are ready.
Agreed. They definitely could go with all three of the WRs, especially if they're only carrying one TE early on.
 

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I think they'll need all 3 of those WRs to start the year. Edelman, Harry, Harris, Meyers, Berrios, and Dorsett is their depth chart. Inman is the odd man out. Then they'll have to make a decision if and when D. Thomas and Cam Meredith are ready.
I saw a tweet yesterday about Meredith. The gist was that the Patriots view it as more of a future contract as opposed to expecting contributions from him this year. I’ll have to dig for it
 

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FWIW we should make a habit of listing slater with ST. He has one career reception in 2011 and doesn’t even work out with the WR during practice. It skews the reality of positional depth when is he listed was a WR.
 

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I think they'll need all 3 of those WRs to start the year. Edelman, Harry, Harris, Meyers, Berrios, and Dorsett is their depth chart. Inman is the odd man out. Then they'll have to make a decision if and when D. Thomas and Cam Meredith are ready.
I don't think they need that many unless Edelman isn't ready to go or they want to redshirt Harry a little bit. They'll still do a fair amount of 21 personnel. You look through last year's game logs, and when they dressed 5 real WR (which wasn't all the time), the 4th and 5th guys barely played.
 

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FWIW we should make a habit of listing slater with ST. He has one career reception in 2011 and doesn’t even work out with the WR during practice. It skews the reality of positional depth when is he listed was a WR.
I wonder when he practices his role as the "Oh shit!!!" guy in the victory formation.
 
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Im not quite as high on him or his performance last night, though I thought he was very solid, but...Berrios isn’t lasting on the PS, IMO. No way. I think they keep him, as Edelman insurance and in-training guy and punt returner.

Love Harris for the flashy surprise he’s been, but wouldn’t be shocked if he’s the last cut. Hope not.

Meyers is making this team.

Would like to see Elandon Roberts dealt to Matty P and Harmon and/or Dawson to Miami.

Crossen and Dawson don’t play the same position but I believe are battling for a spot in the CB room. And Crossen is, I believe, winning that battle...and not by a little.
 

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I don't think they need that many unless Edelman isn't ready to go or they want to redshirt Harry a little bit. They'll still do a fair amount of 21 personnel. You look through last year's game logs, and when they dressed 5 real WR (which wasn't all the time), the 4th and 5th guys barely played.
If they only go with 1 tight end, you would think they would need to compensate for it at receiver. Couldn't you see Harry playing the role of a flex TE given his size? Then, you have a lot of positional versatility with the remaining guys. Edelman, Harris, and Meyers can all play inside or outside while Berrios is the punt returner/gadget player(with his speed and quickness I can see Josh trying to use him on some of the plays he used Patterson last year) and Dorsett can now primarily outside where his route running abilities will come into play.
 

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If they only go with 1 tight end, you would think they would need to compensate for it at receiver. Couldn't you see Harry playing the role of a flex TE given his size?
Not really, and from reports it sounds like he's been used almost exclusively outside.

Then, you have a lot of positional versatility with the remaining guys. Edelman, Harris, and Meyers can all play inside or outside while Berrios is the punt returner/gadget player(with his speed and quickness I can see Josh trying to use him on some of the plays he used Patterson last year) and Dorsett can now primarily outside where his route running abilities will come into play.
I think the versatility of these guys is a reason to carry fewer, not more. If the fourth and fifth WRs can back up all three spots, what value does a sixth WR have? I have a hard time getting six guys active on the 46 (especially with the lack of ST contributions from everyone other than Berrios), and there aren't going to be a lot of redshirt slots available this year.
 

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Not really, and from reports it sounds like he's been used almost exclusively outside.


I think the versatility of these guys is a reason to carry fewer, not more. If the fourth and fifth WRs can back up all three spots, what value does a sixth WR have? I have a hard time getting six guys active on the 46 (especially with the lack of ST contributions from everyone other than Berrios), and there aren't going to be a lot of redshirt slots available this year.
Well they flexed Gronk out to the outside a number of times throughout the year so that was my thinking with Harry. He's a receiver, but can run a lot of the same outside routes as Gronkowski while LaCosse and Watson handle the middle and down the seam. That would give you 5 other WR's to choose from. I just don't want to lose any of these guys because they've shown such good potential. Harris and Meyers looks taylor-made for this offense and Berrios has value as a returner.
 

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I think Harry is an outside guy - heck, if he keeps grabbing balls over CBs, he's *the* outside guy. He's big and strong, but I don't think he's a flex TE

Edit - or what SN said while I was typing
 

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I think Harry is an outside guy - heck, if he keeps grabbing balls over CBs, he's *the* outside guy. He's big and strong, but I don't think he's a flex TE

Edit - or what SN said while I was typing
Harry is listed at 6'4" 225 lbs. Hernandez was 6'1" 245 lbs. George Kittle is 6'4" 245 lbs. TJ Hockenson and Zach Ertz are 6'5" 245. Evan Engrem is 6'3" 240 lbs. He is within range of a lot of pure receiving tight ends.
 

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Thinking about the 46 man game day roster when considering roster cuts gets overlooked too often. I'm as excited as anyone about the depth and youth at WR but they won't have 6 WRs active on game day so the decision is really about bench depth in case of injury at WR vs keeping a player from another position grouping that is more likely to contribute from a 46 man game day roster. But I also agree with the point that a guy like Berrios isn't likely to make it to the practice squad nor obviously would Meyers. So whomever they cut is good as gone.

I also noted at least 3-4 plays last night were Berrios clearly beat his man and was open only he must have been the 2nd or 3rd read and the quarterback threw the ball to the 1st read that was also open. But the coaches will obviously see that on film and weigh it as part of his game score.
 

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Thinking about the 46 man game day roster when considering roster cuts gets overlooked too often. I'm as excited as anyone about the depth and youth at WR but they won't have 6 WRs active on game day so the decision is really about bench depth in case of injury at WR vs keeping a player from another position grouping that is more likely to contribute from a 46 man game day roster. But I also agree with the point that a guy like Berrios isn't likely to make it to the practice squad nor obviously would Meyers. So whomever they cut is good as gone.

I also noted at least 3-4 plays last night were Berrios clearly beat his man and was open only he must have been the 2nd or 3rd read and the quarterback threw the ball to the 1st read that was also open. But the coaches will obviously see that on film and weigh it as part of his game score.
On your point about Berrios: Brady would probably have seen him open so that's points for him.
 

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Well they flexed Gronk out to the outside a number of times throughout the year so that was my thinking with Harry. He's a receiver, but can run a lot of the same outside routes as Gronkowski while LaCosse and Watson handle the middle and down the seam. That would give you 5 other WR's to choose from. I just don't want to lose any of these guys because they've shown such good potential. Harris and Meyers looks taylor-made for this offense and Berrios has value as a returner.
Are we sure Phil Dorsett is safe? He's got only $500 K guaranteed and they save over $2 MM cutting him - money which becomes guaranteed if he's on the roster at the beginning of the year.

Dorsett and Harris are both on one-year deals. So even if they look good, I think they don't have much value as a fifth or sixth WR because they're really not going to play and they have little future value to the team. And with guys coming back, the depth is only going to improve. Where things get interesting is if Dorsett and Harris are both top 4 WR and Meyers / Berrios are 5/6, because Meyers and Berrios have long-term value and Berrios has ST value.

Harry is listed at 6'4" 225 lbs. Hernandez was 6'1" 245 lbs. George Kittle is 6'4" 245 lbs. TJ Hockenson and Zach Ertz are 6'5" 245. Evan Engrem is 6'3" 240 lbs. He is within range of a lot of pure receiving tight ends.
1) 20 pounds is a lot. 2) They haven't had a role for a "move TE" since Tim Wright in 2014, and he got benched down the stretch. It's really a role they had for Hernandez and Hernandez only. 3) By all reports, they haven't been using Harry as a TE / slot / inside guy, probably in part because 4) slot and TE are super-complicated in NE's system so you rarely see rookies contribute a lot there. Gronk and Hernandez played just 50-60% snaps as rookies, and they were transcendent talents.
 
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Harry is listed at 6'4" 225 lbs. Hernandez was 6'1" 245 lbs. George Kittle is 6'4" 245 lbs. TJ Hockenson and Zach Ertz are 6'5" 245. Evan Engrem is 6'3" 240 lbs. He is within range of a lot of pure receiving tight ends.
I will never quite get over the fact that BB could easily have gotten Kittle thrown into that Jimmy G deal and SF wouldn’t have flinched.
 

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Are we sure Phil Dorsett is safe? He's got only $500 K guaranteed and they save over $2 MM cutting him - money which becomes guaranteed if he's on the roster at the beginning of the year.

Dorsett and Harris are both on one-year deals. So even if they look good, I think they don't have much value as a fifth or sixth WR because they're really not going to play and they have little future value to the team. And with guys coming back, the depth is only going to improve. Where things get interesting is if Dorsett and Harris are both top 4 WR and Meyers / Berrios are 5/6, because Meyers and Berrios have long-term value and Berrios has ST value.


1) 20 pounds is a lot. 2) They haven't had a role for a "move TE" since Tim Wright in 2014, and he got benched down the stretch. It's really a role they had for Hernandez and Hernandez only. 3) By all reports, they haven't been using Harry as a TE / slot / inside guy, probably in part because 4) slot and TE are super-complicated in NE's system so you rarely see rookies contribute a lot there. Gronk and Hernandez played just 50-60% snaps as rookies, and they were transcendent talents.
Dorsett did not play much last year due to the 21 personnel but when called upon he made some big catches. I think him and Brady have some chemistry together. If they want to play some roster gymnastics(granted he'd be OK with being on the shadow squad) and not risk Berrios or Meyers to waivers, maybe they cut him and sign him a couple weeks later like they did with Brandon Bolden a couple times.

It seemed like they tried to play with a move TE but it never worked out with the guys they tried it with.
 

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It seemed like they tried to play with a move TE but it never worked out with the guys they tried it with.
I think "tried" is too strong. I'd say more "dabbled." They picked up guys like Zach Sudfeld, Jacob Hollister, and Stephen Anderson but they invested zero draft capital, gave them scant playing time, and didn't throw to them on the rare occasion they saw the field. Every TE they've actually invested in - Scott Chandler, Martellus Bennett, Dwayne Allen - has been a bigger guy or a guy who can block or both.

That makes this crop of TE really weird because Izzo is the only classic inline TE and he's also a guy they barely invested in. Watson and LaCosse have contracts which aren't nothin', but neither got even $1 MM guaranteed.

I think the reality with move TE is that if they can't block, they are not going to get many matchups on LBs. There are a lot of TE who can beat LBs one-on-one, but not many who are special enough to beat DBs on a consistent basis.
 

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I think "tried" is too strong. I'd say more "dabbled." They picked up guys like Zach Sudfeld, Jacob Hollister, and Stephen Anderson but they invested zero draft capital, gave them scant playing time, and didn't throw to them on the rare occasion they saw the field. Every TE they've actually invested in - Scott Chandler, Martellus Bennett, Dwayne Allen - has been a bigger guy or a guy who can block or both.

That makes this crop of TE really weird because Izzo is the only classic inline TE and he's also a guy they barely invested in. Watson and LaCosse have contracts which aren't nothin', but neither got even $1 MM guaranteed.

I think the reality with move TE is that if they can't block, they are not going to get many matchups on LBs. There are a lot of TE who can beat LBs one-on-one, but not many who are special enough to beat DBs on a consistent basis.
I'm sure Belichick sees this and now could want to use big-bodied WR's to run some of the routes outside the numbers designed for the move TEs to be able to win battles against DB's.
 

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Are we sure Phil Dorsett is safe? He's got only $500 K guaranteed and they save over $2 MM cutting him - money which becomes guaranteed if he's on the roster at the beginning of the year.

Dorsett and Harris are both on one-year deals. So even if they look good, I think they don't have much value as a fifth or sixth WR because they're really not going to play and they have little future value to the team. And with guys coming back, the depth is only going to improve. Where things get interesting is if Dorsett and Harris are both top 4 WR and Meyers / Berrios are 5/6, because Meyers and Berrios have long-term value and Berrios has ST value.
I tend to think Dorsett isn't safe. He's a known quantity, I guess, but Edelman suspension aside he has been a complete non-factor.
 

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Because they were available? Collins signed with the Pats in mid-May, he probably didn't want to come in and tell someone already on the roster to give up their number.
 
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I tend to think Dorsett isn't safe. He's a known quantity, I guess, but Edelman suspension aside he has been a complete non-factor.
He did have a couple TD catches in the playoffs. I think Dorsett's advantage is we know what we have; his disadvantage is we know what we have.

So why did they give the rookies “real” numbers instead of the random ones they had in mini camp?
They used to not give rookies numbers at all, but obviously they had to get numbers for the first preseason game. Then the league mandated they had to give them numbers, so now they get nonsense numbers, but still switch for the first game, as they would have in the past.
 

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Who was the emergency kicker a few years back? I think it was an offensive lineman.
 

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If you read any of the guys covering this team you might have caught wind that Duke Dawson seems to be on the outside looking in based on his performance.

Here are the guys I think are safe in the secondary:
CB: Gilmore, JMC, JC Jackson, Jon Jones, Joejuan Williams.
S: DMC, Chung (Probably Brooks for ST reasons alone and contract)
If they go 6 Cbs that leaves one slot for Crossen/Dawson/Ross and right now Crossen is playing better than him. Crossen is playing outside corner though (he’s also a ST contributor and apparently a good one in the making at that) and Dawson has been playing safety or slot corner. After this year Jones and DMC are free agents and they often have slot duties. But if the rumors about Dawson mentally not getting it are true then his 2nd round status is the only thing keeping him from being cut or traded.

I think if Obi or Brooks shines as a FS you may see Harmon and/or Dawson traded. A league average safety like Harmon playing on a reasonable contract has some value. Dawson is on a 2nd round rookie contract. That also has some value. I’ll post my mock-up roster soon.
 

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QB (3) T.Brady, B.Hoyer, J.Stidham
RB (6) S.Michel, R.Burkhead, D.Harris, J.White, B.Bolden, J.Develin
WR (7) M.Slater, J.Edelman, P.Dorsett, N.Harry, J.Meyers, M.Harris, B.Berrios
TE (1) M.LaCosse
C (1) D.Andrews
G (3) S.Mason, J.Thuney, H.Froholdt
T (3) I.Wynn, M.Cannon, D.Skipper
DE (5) M.Bennett, D.Wise, J.Simon, C.Winovich, D.Rivers
DT (4) L.Guy, M.Pennel, D.Shelton, B.Cowart
ILB(2) D.Hightower, J.Bentley
OLB(3) K.VanNoy, J.Collins, B.King
CB (6) S.Gilmore, J.McCourty, J.Jackson, J.Jones, J.Williams, K.Crossen
SS (2) N.Ebner, P.Chung
FS (4) D.McCourty, O.Melifonwu, D.Harmon, T.Brooks
ST (3) S.Gostkowski, J.Bailey, J.Cardona

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Hightower is going to play OLB/ILB. I think Bentley is the only pure ILB and he had some success as a blitzer (needed to wrap up better in a small sample size).

I think they can keep OL depth on the practice squad.

TE and OT are spots they might upgrade before the season begins. DB trades could net them passable depth at OT and/or TE and/or the usual, more draft picks.
 

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QB (3) T.Brady, B.Hoyer, J.Stidham
RB (6) S.Michel, R.Burkhead, D.Harris, J.White, B.Bolden, J.Develin
WR (7) M.Slater, J.Edelman, P.Dorsett, N.Harry, J.Meyers, M.Harris, B.Berrios
TE (1) M.LaCosse
C (1) D.Andrews
G (3) S.Mason, J.Thuney, H.Froholdt
T (3) I.Wynn, M.Cannon, D.Skipper
DE (5) M.Bennett, D.Wise, J.Simon, C.Winovich, D.Rivers
DT (4) L.Guy, M.Pennel, D.Shelton, B.Cowart
ILB(2) D.Hightower, J.Bentley
OLB(3) K.VanNoy, J.Collins, B.King
CB (6) S.Gilmore, J.McCourty, J.Jackson, J.Jones, J.Williams, K.Crossen
SS (2) N.Ebner, P.Chung
FS (4) D.McCourty, O.Melifonwu, D.Harmon, T.Brooks
ST (3) S.Gostkowski, J.Bailey, J.Cardona

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Hightower is going to play OLB/ILB. I think Bentley is the only pure ILB and he had some success as a blitzer (needed to wrap up better in a small sample size).

I think they can keep OL depth on the practice squad.

TE and OT are spots they might upgrade before the season begins. DB trades could net them passable depth at OT and/or TE and/or the usual, more draft picks.
This really is a hard exercise with all of the talent on hand. But I can't imagine a scenario where there's room for both Cowart and Obi, and neither of Karras or Ferentz
 

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This really is a hard exercise with all of the talent on hand. But I can't imagine a scenario where there's room for both Cowart and Obi, and neither of Karras or Ferentz
I think they take 7-8 OL. 3 tackles, Thuney, Mason, Andrews, and then one to two backups. Froholdt should be a lock. Maybe you cut Obi, M Harris, etc for one of those guys, sure. Froholdt has been playing at guard. Karras is their best backup guard and center so, ok, yeah add him and cut Harris.

I imagine we’re going to see a trade sometime in the next couple of weeks. Hate to be Debbie-downer but injuries could also make this easier too.

Guys who I think could be on the block: Harmon, Dawson, Burkhead (then again he is their best all around back right now) and maybe Ryan Allen if Bailey keeps it up.