That's right of course. Brainfart.Brees was a free agent.
I can't imagine the pain Dolphins fans have over this. It'd drive me nuts. Instead they got Dante Cullpepper.Brees was also coming off a serious shoulder injury, which would help explain why he wasn't more sought after.
Worse, they almost had Brees AND Saban.I can't imagine the pain Dolphins fans have over this. It'd drive me nuts. Instead they got Dante Cullpepper.
Not all that dissimilar to the Denver/Indy Manning/Luck situationI can't imagine the pain Dolphins fans have over this. It'd drive me nuts. Instead they got Dante Cullpepper.
While I think the Chargers got a lesser quarterback they made the right call due to Brees injury and still ended up with a solid QB.
Favre was pretty good before the Jets got him.*I'm not counting guys traded before establishing a high level of play at the NFL level like Elway, Favre, and Young, who obviously turned out much better.
I think it's a reference to the Falcons trading Favre to GBFavre was pretty good before the Jets got him.
On NFLN's a Football Life, Brett Favre, they pointed out that all Jerry Glanville did with Brett in Atlanta is take bets on whether he could throw the ball into the second deck of the stadium. He goes to Green Bay, returns them to excellence, while Atlanta sends out Chris Miller, Bobby Hebert and Jeff George atI think it's a reference to the Falcons trading Favre to GB
Neither. As inept as they are, the Niners won't trade the 2nd overall pick for a QB with two career starts who will get expensive next year, or for a QB who is expensive now and isn't on the level of Brady/Rodgers/Ryan. If the Niners aren't enamored of the options at #2, they'll trade down and collect picks; heaven knows they need help just about everywhere.Ok, let's say you're SF. Do you take Cousins/17 for #2, an '18 1st and more? Or do you trade #2 for Jimmy G?
You mean there's that option too? I was just pointing out that the deal for Cousins didn't make sense when you can get a younger, cheaper guy for less. Whether that's #2 or their 2nd this year and a 1st or 2nd next year, that makes a lot more sense to me than trading #2 plus more for Cousins and then giving him a huge deal. At least with JG you have a season on a cheap contract that you can either make him play out before paying him or use it as leverage for a more reasonable long-term deal than you'd have to give Cousins. Plus, as you noted, they need help everywhere. It doesn't make sense to give up a bunch of picks for a veteran QB when you don't have the other pieces around him.Neither. As inept as they are, the Niners won't trade the 2nd overall pick for a QB with two career starts who will get expensive next year, or for a QB who is expensive now and isn't on the level of Brady/Rodgers/Ryan. If the Niners aren't enamored of the options at #2, they'll trade down and collect picks; heaven knows they need help just about everywhere.
Yes and no. It really depends on the type of QB that Shanahan wants to build around. He has experience working with Cousins; and although the cost will be higher, if Shanahan feels comfortable with him, that can go a long way to setting up his programI was just pointing out that the deal for Cousins didn't make sense when you can get a younger, cheaper guy for less.
Equally tasty:After facing chronic pressure from the doubters at the top of the organization, Cousins has put all the pressure on them. He delivered the two best statistical seasons in franchise history to seize control of his economic fate: As Dan Steinberg pointed out, his numbers are identical to those of Matt Ryan, only without nearly the supporting cast. There is no reason to suppose he can’t do as much or more for another team. And there is no reason to suppose he wants to stay Washington, to play for a front office that always appears as intelligent as squirrels racing around trees.
Cousins probably is going to cost $100 million. It’s that or trade him. If Washington doesn’t give him the big contract, someone else eventually will, he will join the free agent cotillion next season, and Washington risks being embarrassed that he will win with another team. It’s great to see an NFL player with this kind of leverage, and even better to see a smart guy really use it, refuse sentimentality and drive the hardest deal possible from a team that is undeserving of loyalty or leniency in negotiations. Cousins should get every penny he can — and Dan Snyder and Bruce Allen and Scot McCloughan should get what they deserve.
It's over two years, so for example TD/Int 59/23 for Ryan, 54/23 for Cousins. Rating fwiw. ~103 for Ryan and ~99 for Cousins.What numbers is she citing that are identical to Matt Ryan's?
That's in the weeds. Her broader point is about being stupid and arrogant - "offering" in a long term extension no more money that he already had coming to him under the franchise tag. And about how glorious it is to see NFL ownership -- any ownership -- choke to death on a franchise tag. Cousins is Revis-like in his approach to this, and he should be.Jenkins did some strong DFG work - and I have a higher opinion of Cousins than many here, I think he's a top 10-12 QB - but she's going a bridge too far by trying to compare him to Ryan. He's got the Skins by the balls, no doubt. But come on.
Ryan was obviously far superior to Cousins this season, but when you compare their age 27 and 28 seasons, Cousins is better by pretty much any measure. Cousins has been a top-10 DVOA and QBR guy the past two seasons (his first two starting). So, when you look at the full body of work, I think it's a reasonable comparison. Letting a 29 year old top 10 QB walk is crazy town.Jenkins did some strong DFG work - and I have a higher opinion of Cousins than many here, I think he's a top 10-12 QB - but she's going a bridge too far by trying to compare him to Ryan. He's got the Skins by the balls, no doubt. But come on.
You and I are pissing into a 60 mph gale on this, but time will resolve it one way or another.Ryan was obviously far superior to Cousins this season, but when you compare their age 27 and 28 seasons, Cousins is better by pretty much any measure. Cousins has been a top-10 DVOA and QBR guy the past two seasons (his first two starting). So, when you look at the full body of work, I think it's a reasonable comparison. Letting a 29 year old top 10 QB walk is crazy town.
He's only gonna end up there if they trade him. And if they trade him they'll get the #2 pick and draft Watson (Snyder likes shiny objects) and start McCoy or Watson.It would be great if Cousins ended up in, say, SF. A desperate WAS would make for a great trade partner.
Well, it's conceivable that they put the non-restricted tag on him and the 49ers sign him to an offer ... giving Washington the right to match or two first-roundersHe's only gonna end up there if they trade him. And if they trade him they'll get the #2 pick and draft Watson (Snyder likes shiny objects) and start McCoy or Watson.
Yes because TB is the Babe Ruth of this franchise, and because of his emotional bond with Bob Kraft. My guess is that TB gets dealt out of here over Kraft's dead body.Is it really that unlikely that Brady starts one more year, then they trade him and go with Garoppolo?
In terms of passing the baton, which has to happen eventually, getting out in front of things like that sure seems smart to me...
Grab the torches and burn this witch!Is it really that unlikely that Brady starts one more year, then they trade him and go with Garoppolo?
In terms of passing the baton, which has to happen eventually, getting out in front of things like that sure seems smart to me...
He was clearly grown in a lab.TB Is not playing at this level until he is 45 -- unless he is not human.
We all know Belichick wouldn't hesitate to pull the trigger on a Brady trade if he thought it best for the team. But even if you decide to trade Brady, what could you realistically get for a guy who turns 40 next summer?
Grab the torches and burn this witch!
What are the odds of Jimmy G being better than Brady in two years?Is it really that unlikely that Brady starts one more year, then they trade him and go with Garoppolo?
In terms of passing the baton, which has to happen eventually, getting out in front of things like that sure seems smart to me...
Yes it's really unlikely.Is it really that unlikely that Brady starts one more year, then they trade him and go with Garoppolo?
In terms of passing the baton, which has to happen eventually, getting out in front of things like that sure seems smart to me...
I'm suggesting that folks here are overrating the trade value of both QBs. The Browns might offer #12 for JG, but if they do, it will be the Pats' best offer by a wide margin. I do think JG is the more valuable asset of the two; despite all the San Francisco talk, I can't see the Niners giving up a net package worth more than the #12 pick for the right to guarantee $60mm to Cousins, especially when there's a good chance he'll be available for just money a year from now.You mean there's that option too? I was just pointing out that the deal for Cousins didn't make sense when you can get a younger, cheaper guy for less. Whether that's #2 or their 2nd this year and a 1st or 2nd next year, that makes a lot more sense to me than trading #2 plus more for Cousins and then giving him a huge deal. At least with JG you have a season on a cheap contract that you can either make him play out before paying him or use it as leverage for a more reasonable long-term deal than you'd have to give Cousins. Plus, as you noted, they need help everywhere. It doesn't make sense to give up a bunch of picks for a veteran QB when you don't have the other pieces around him.
Well, he's probably figured out that path. What we don't know is whether he thinks that path is the right one to take. Many of us, including you I think, believe that he doesn't see it as being the best path.I kinda doubt BB has figured out a path if we take Brady's words and current contract at face value.
Interesting thought but in this context I would be surprised.Does anyone thing BB's decision is guided in part by how long he wants to coach and how long he wants to coach post-Brady?
I completely agree with this, and I don't see any way that they're both on the team next year (much less two years from now).In what world does Jimmy G say, "Sure, I'll be a backup for another three years! I'd love to hold a clipboard for SIX YEARS!" I get that some of us want to have a nice, long, smooth transition, but that is, IMO, wildly unrealistic. He's not staying. He wants to play. He's getting traded.
And, much as you'd like it to be, long-term it's not entirely up to BB. Jimmy has made it clear that he wants to play quarterback. It's been three years already. If TB12 is to be believed, and I think everyone does believe him - including his agent, who is also Jimmy's agent - then there is absolutely no reason to think JG would agree to sign long term here, even with some pretend wink-wink agreement with the front office.
Won't be a problem so long as Brady learns to Pizza'd when he's supposed to instead of French frying.I think the Pats are waiting until after ski season is over.
Exactly. Contract is an issue, but aside from that JimmyG wants to actually have a chance to start at quarterback. Keeping him as insurance for 2017 for a likely title contender and on the off chance things change drastically and Brady is done 12 months from now if the trade market isn't great for Jimmy? Sure, fine, reasonable decision, particularly given the importance of the position. Keeping him beyond 2017 if Brady plays at even a decent level next year and expresses a continued interest to play until he's 45? The path is to spend franchise tag money and cap space on a backup without the actual guarantee that he will sign here (for a lot of money) when Brady does eventually retire. Oh, and while early returns are encouraging and the coaching staff will know more than anyone about how to evaluate JimmyG, there's still a pretty good chance he's not a top-tier starting quarterback.In what world does Jimmy G say, "Sure, I'll be a backup for another three years! I'd love to hold a clipboard for SIX YEARS!" I get that some of us want to have a nice, long, smooth transition, but that is, IMO, wildly unrealistic. He's not staying. He wants to play. He's getting traded.
And, much as you'd like it to be, long-term it's not entirely up to BB. Jimmy has made it clear that he wants to play quarterback. It's been three years already. If TB12 is to be believed, and I think everyone does believe him - including his agent, who is also Jimmy's agent - then there is absolutely no reason to think JG would agree to sign long term here, even with some pretend wink-wink agreement with the front office.