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Chris Price just said on WEEI that he felt that Josh McDaniels will probably stay in New England because he really wants to replace BB in 3-5 years. However, Price also said that the Lions job because of the Pats-connected GM and the fact that Mrs. McDaniel is from there might convince him to go to the Lions.
 

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I think Jacksonville is also a great destination. Lots of youg talent, owner willing to spend. Only potential drawback is relocation. Only tied to Bortles for one more year. Etc.
The right coach might also be able to name his own GM -- I'm not convinced that Khan is committed to Caldwell. Not sure if McD has that kind of pull, or if that's the sort of perk reserved for guys like Payton (if he's available) or Gruden with a track record of head coaching success.
 

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Chip is being done wrong by the 49ers. If they were going to fire him after one season with this terrible roster Jed should have just told him to take the Oregon job two weeks ago. I am sure Chip would have went back if he thought there was any chance he would only get one season in Santa Clara.

I would not be surprised if Jed's post Baalke GM pick is Joey Clinksdales, the Oakland director of player personnel.
 

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The right coach might also be able to name his own GM -- I'm not convinced that Khan is committed to Caldwell. Not sure if McD has that kind of pull, or if that's the sort of perk reserved for guys like Payton (if he's available) or Gruden with a track record of head coaching success.
Caldwell's non Blake Bottles work has been pretty exceptional hasn't it? If he gets fired there will be no better example of how nothing matters for an NFL GM other than getting the quarterback position right.
 

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Chip is being done wrong by the 49ers. If they were going to fire him after one season with this terrible roster Jed should have just told him to take the Oregon job two weeks ago. I am sure Chip would have went back if he thought there was any chance he would only get one season in Santa Clara.

I would not be surprised if Jed's post Baalke GM pick is Joey Clinksdales, the Oakland director of player personnel.
Yes is totally being wronged by SF. Probably also should have sat out a season than work for that train wreck of a front office.
 

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Report on ESPN says Kubiak is out in Denver because of health reasons (sorry, no link on mobile).
 

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The right coach might also be able to name his own GM -- I'm not convinced that Khan is committed to Caldwell. Not sure if McD has that kind of pull, or if that's the sort of perk reserved for guys like Payton (if he's available) or Gruden with a track record of head coaching success.
Potentially complicating things is that McDaniels and Caldwell were college teammates and have known each other forever. That is also true of Tom Telesco in San Diego - they are all part of the bizarre John Carroll University pipeline to the NFL. I have no idea what kind of relationship McDaniels has with these guys now.
 

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I'll go one further WRT Chip. I think the job he did leading that team and keeping them playing hard and together was one of the better coaching jobs this season from a pure leadership perspective. His handling of the Kaepernick situation earlier this year was outstanding and he does not deserve this fate. The knock on him coming into this season was that he couldn't lead a team and manage NFL personalities and that clearly wasn't the case this year.
 

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Caldwell's non Blake Bottles work has been pretty exceptional hasn't it?
Has it? I guess he found some good later round players but his first round record is pretty abysmal. Joeckel was a bust. They were very unlucky with Fowler and his ACL, but he wasn't very impressive in his first year back. Then you have Bortles, who has never displayed NFL-level accuracy and whose mechanics totally fell apart this year. Ramsey looks pretty good from what little Jags football I've seen (thankfully) but the jury still seems out.
 

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I'll go one further WRT Chip. I think the job he did leading that team and keeping them playing hard and together was one of the better coaching jobs this season from a pure leadership perspective. His handling of the Kaepernick situation earlier this year was outstanding and he does not deserve this fate. The knock on him coming into this season was that he couldn't lead a team and manage NFL personalities and that clearly wasn't the case this year.
I agree completely. He is getting a very raw deal.
 

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Chip is being done wrong by the 49ers. If they were going to fire him after one season with this terrible roster Jed should have just told him to take the Oregon job two weeks ago. I am sure Chip would have went back if he thought there was any chance he would only get one season in Santa Clara.

I would not be surprised if Jed's post Baalke GM pick is Joey Clinksdales, the Oakland director of player personnel.
Agree, but the fact that he is still going to be paid by both the Eagles (1 year) and Niners (3 years, I think) should take some of the sting out of it.

Regardless, there's no question the he was in a no-win situation and ownership handled it about as poorly as possible.
 

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Caldwell's non Blake Bottles work has been pretty exceptional hasn't it? If he gets fired there will be no better example of how nothing matters for an NFL GM other than getting the quarterback position right.
Blake Bottles is a wonderful auto correct. He bottles the pick 6's and sells them in scores.
 

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I'll go one further WRT Chip. I think the job he did leading that team and keeping them playing hard and together was one of the better coaching jobs this season from a pure leadership perspective. His handling of the Kaepernick situation earlier this year was outstanding and he does not deserve this fate. The knock on him coming into this season was that he couldn't lead a team and manage NFL personalities and that clearly wasn't the case this year.
I agree with this as well. As you and others have said, the roster he was given is pretty much straight garbage. The one thing that ownership seems to be falling back on is his inability to hire a decent DC and his unwillingness to fire the current one. However, I think it's a pretty weak excuse everything else considered. I would have liked to give him another year - maybe two - with Gamble as a package deal GM to handpick players that actually fit his offensive scheme and not the terrible skill players that Baalke accumulated in his time.

It's pretty remarkable how bad of a GM Baalke was and how much he set the franchise back. He ran out a top-5 NFL coach and hasn't had a good draft since McCloughan was the one making the picks (Baalke ended up taking credit for the last draft Scott made since he left days before the draft). The guy had the balls to think his roster made Harbaugh and he could basically have garbage at HC (Tomsula) and the players would be good enough to win. Shame on Jed for buying into him.
 

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It's pretty remarkable how bad of a GM Baalke was and how much he set the franchise back. He ran out a top-5 NFL coach and hasn't had a good draft since McCloughan was the one making the picks (Baalke ended up taking credit for the last draft Scott made since he left days before the draft). The guy had the balls to think his roster made Harbaugh and he could basically have garbage at HC (Tomsula) and the players would be good enough to win. Shame on Jed for buying into him.
Couldn't agree more.

I know this forum doesn't lack Chip dissenters, but it's difficult for me to ever support firing a coach after just 1 year. I get why SF "has" to do it, though. Trying to hire a new GM without giving him a choice of HC will almost certainly limit your options. Though, if I'm a strong HC candidate, why go to SF? Their last 2 coaches have been fired after 1 season. How confident is the new coach going to be that he'll get the 4-5 years he'll need to right the ship?
 

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Though, if I'm a strong HC candidate, why go to SF? Their last 2 coaches have been fired after 1 season. How confident is the new coach going to be that he'll get the 4-5 years he'll need to right the ship?
I think this is what's behind the Shanahan package deal idea
 

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Answer:it's the 49ers.
The 49ers ownership reminds me of Donald sterling.


In other words ownership is a dumpster fire
Mike Silver intimated that it wasnt the Yorks in this situation, though i do agree overall. Most of the leaks over the last couple of years seemed to originate from Baalke to people like Dilfer. With a clean house, it will be interesting to see if they continue to the same degree.
 

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It's pretty remarkable how bad of a GM Baalke was and how much he set the franchise back. He ran out a top-5 NFL coach and hasn't had a good draft since McCloughan was the one making the picks (Baalke ended up taking credit for the last draft Scott made since he left days before the draft). The guy had the balls to think his roster made Harbaugh and he could basically have garbage at HC (Tomsula) and the players would be good enough to win. Shame on Jed for buying into him.
Let's not forget - they basically had a done deal with Adam Gase last year and then Baalke insisted Gase keep on Tomsula as DC.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/adam-gase-reportedly-had-49ers-job-before-gm-trent-baalke-changed-mind/
 

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I'm sure that Spanos deserves his reputation, but it's worth remembering that Robert Kraft was considered to be something of a meddling buffoon until he hired Belichick and had the common sense to get out of the way.

Maybe Kraft really is that smart/lucky and Spanos is truly horrible, but it strikes me that if you want to be a head coach in the NFL, evidence suggests that you're going to have to learn how to succeed with idiot GMs and owners in place.
I think you're selling Kraft short, but also "having the common sense to get out of the way" shouldn't be taken for granted. Marty Schottenheimer went 47-33 and got fired AFTER A 14-2 SEASON. His successor, Norv, had some success, then he got fired for Mike McCoy, who has been terrible. The franchise is on a downward trend for a decade. They used to be a joke (remember Ryan Leaf, followed by Archie forcing Eli's way out of town), got decent for a few years, and now they are a joke again.
 

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Couldn't agree more.

I know this forum doesn't lack Chip dissenters, but it's difficult for me to ever support firing a coach after just 1 year. I get why SF "has" to do it, though. Trying to hire a new GM without giving him a choice of HC will almost certainly limit your options. Though, if I'm a strong HC candidate, why go to SF? Their last 2 coaches have been fired after 1 season. How confident is the new coach going to be that he'll get the 4-5 years he'll need to right the ship?
While I get that GMs want to bring in their own guy, it's a no lose situation coming in with a coach already there. If it works out, you don't have to do anything; if it doesn't work out you have free reign to hire someone else. It's like getting a free year or two of employment. If you come in and hire a guy right away and it doesn't work out you put yourself in more of a bind
 

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While I get that GMs want to bring in their own guy, it's a no lose situation coming in with a coach already there. If it works out, you don't have to do anything; if it doesn't work out you have free reign to hire someone else. It's like getting a free year or two of employment. If you come in and hire a guy right away and it doesn't work out you put yourself in more of a bind
I think that can be true in certain cases, but in this case you've got a head coach that a) runs a very specific system that might turn off potential GM candidates and b) clashed with his front office in his previous stop leading to the GM being stripped of powers. Bob Quinn sticking with Jim Caldwell is one thing; Chip is something else.
 

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I think you're selling Kraft short, but also "having the common sense to get out of the way" shouldn't be taken for granted. Marty Schottenheimer went 47-33 and got fired AFTER A 14-2 SEASON. His successor, Norv, had some success, then he got fired for Mike McCoy, who has been terrible. The franchise is on a downward trend for a decade. They used to be a joke (remember Ryan Leaf, followed by Archie forcing Eli's way out of town), got decent for a few years, and now they are a joke again.
Not to derail the thread and I'm fairly confident he was past his prime (there was an absolutely embarrassing pre-game speech he gave before that playoff game). But the Marty Schottenheimer firing in SD made zero sense to me at the time. Yes, that was a gut punch of a loss to NE but that team was stacked and I'm not sure Marty wasn't at least partly responsible for their success. Yeah, his KC teams were ordinary. But between that and him getting canned after a single season in WA (after winning something like the last 8 games in a row), and all that heartbreak in Cleveland, there's probably a case to be made that Marty Schottenheimer had the shittiest luck in NFL coaching history.
 

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This organization has had 3 head coaches since 93. Parcells Carroll and Belichick. Pretty good track record. Great to see that kind of stability compared to most of the teams in the NFL.

I think it's a mistake for the Niners to fire Kelly. Give him another year everyone knew that team was going to suck. That job isn't going to do better in terms of getting a reputable coach.
 

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Saints coach Sean Payton declined to answer questions about his coaching future after Sunday's game, saying only, "Next question."
 

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Per Rotoworld:

Broncos coach Gary Kubiak resigned.

Dealing with renewed health concerns, the 55-year-old Kubiak is retiring after 10 years as a head coach. He rides off into the sunset 21-11 as a Bronco, with a Lombardi trophy to boot. On the whole, Kubiak finishes his career 82-75 (.522). It's not the most glamorous of records, but Kubiak helped build the Texans from the ground up, and was one of the most creative offensive minds of his generation. Kubiak could plug and play both running backs and quarterbacks like few in the modern era. Perhaps television is on tap for a man who needs a lower-stress job.
 

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Saints coach Sean Payton declined to answer questions about his coaching future after Sunday's game, saying only, "Next question."
Wonder if McDaniels would be a candidate in NO if Payton takes the LA job?
 

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McCoy out in SD.
Black Monday has become Black Sunday.

Here in skins land, everyone wants the staff gone tonight after looking flat in their biggest game of the year. Can't fire all the HCs in the NFL who didn't make the playoffs, right?
 

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So, open jobs:

Denver
San Diego
Buffalo
Rams
49ers
Jacksonville

A few other places where there are rumors or uncertainty:
Saints
Indianapolis
Some rumors about Redskins, and a trigger-happy owner
Jets (Bowles likely ok)
Texans (odd rumor about O'Brien IMO, but on the list for now)


Who am I missing?
 

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So, open jobs:

Denver
San Diego
Buffalo
Rams
49ers
Jacksonville

A few other places where there are rumors or uncertainty:
Saints
Indianapolis
Some rumors about Redskins, and a trigger-happy owner
Jets (Bowles likely ok)
Texans (odd rumor about O'Brien IMO, but on the list for now)


Who am I missing?
McCarthy (GB) depending on the next two games. There were rumors during their early season swoon and considering all their recent playoff failures, his seat is at least warm.
 

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So, open jobs:

Denver
San Diego
Buffalo
Rams
49ers
Jacksonville

A few other places where there are rumors or uncertainty:
Saints
Indianapolis
Some rumors about Redskins, and a trigger-happy owner
Jets (Bowles likely ok)
Texans (odd rumor about O'Brien IMO, but on the list for now)


Who am I missing?
No changes are coming in Cleveland (link below), so I think you've covered it.

http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index.ssf/2017/01/cleveland_browns_lose_to_pitts.html
 

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I mean we all know why but incredible that Marvin Lewis is once again going to be at the helm of the Bengals following yet another disappointing year. He was hired when the Patriots had only one SB win and the Red Sox were still lovable losers.

Reports are at least that he will not be extended beyond 2017. But, if they start off 2-0, I expect that changes.
 

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Amazing that three out four teams in California have fired their coaches and not one of them is the Raiders.
 

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Per Ben Volin via Twitter:

"League source confirms that the Jaguars, 49ers and Rams have reached out to Josh McDaniels about their head coaching vacancies."

I'm sure SD, Buffalo, and whomever else has a HC vacancy will, as well.
 

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Payton and the Rams are the chatter of the night

ATLANTA -- The gears have been put into motion for a possible end of Sean Payton's time with the New Orleans Saints.

The Los Angeles Rams are expected to ask permission this week to speak with Payton about their head coach opening, according to a source familiar with the situation. General manager Mickey Loomis would be open to trading Payton, the source said.

Payton and Loomis met for about an hour in the Georgia Dome after the Saints-Falcons game Sunday to discuss Payton's future, according to the source.

The source added it's still too early in the process to know the compensation the Saints would ask the Rams for in return for Payton.

Reports of Payton's possible interest in L.A. surfaced less than a month ago after the Rams fired Jeff Fisher. Payton explored options last offseason to leave the Saints, as well, with Indianapolis and San Francisco as possible destinations.
http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf/2017/01/rams_set_sights_on_sean_payton.html

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/01/01/sean-payton-to-rams-chatter-continues-to-grow/
 

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If I'm a high profile head coach or assistant - like Payton or McDaniels - and I have teams lining up to knock on my door, I tell all of them that the only way I accept a position is if I serve as both GM and head coach.

It always baffles me that so many teams still insist on having the two positions handled by different people. How can you hire someone and expect them to guarantee your team's success if they can't shop for the groceries (as Parcells would often say)?

If a GM brings in some scrub quarterback that I don't fully believe in, I'm tied to the success of that quarterback even though he may not have been my first choice. It's such nonsense. People wonder what makes BB so successful? He makes ALL of the roster decisions. The team is his plan, his vision, from top to bottom. He doesn't have to navigate through someone else's opinion of who "should" make the team a winner.
 

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“@JeffDuncan_: Rams owner Stan Kroenke is the second wealthiest owner in the NFL with a net worth of $7.6B. If he wants Sean Payton, he’ll make it happen.”
“@JeffDuncan_: In addition to draft picks, NFL teams can trade cash for coaches & high-level execs like GMs. Bucs traded $8M cash along w/picks for Gruden.”
 

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It always baffles me that so many teams still insist on having the two positions handled by different people. How can you hire someone and expect them to guarantee your team's success if they can't shop for the groceries (as Parcells would often say)?
Most successful teams work in tandem -- they hire a coach and use the front office to acquire the players who will fit the system of the coach.

There isn't a team in the NFL that has its head coach handle all the duties of a GM.
 

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Most successful teams work in tandem -- they hire a coach and use the front office to acquire the players who will fit the system of the coach.

There isn't a team in the NFL that has its head coach handle all the duties of a GM.
That's true but mostly because GM duties also include things like what season ticket packages should include. There are lots of teams where the HC has roster control - but usually that is successful only if they've earned that right. Even BB had to wait a few years before securing full control. Hiring a coach and handing him the reins is a much dicier proposition. Of the jobsd available Denver would be the team where you could most easily do this without worrying (since the defense is set and they're basically looking for a QB). It is also the team, since they have Elway, where the coach that is hired will have zero shot at such control. Jacksonville is the other job where there is enough roster stability that you could feel somewhat comfortable with packaging roster control with the job offer (less to screw up). Everywhere else - there's more than enough to worry about just transitioning into the new job without having to organize a draft room and analyzing free agents on top of it. In some cases the job (which seems to have almost killed Kubiak, for example) is particularly daunting. In San Diego the new guy is going to have to handle a franchise move on top of things. That's why Payton is likely to end up with that job - if you put a first time head coach (or even someone like McDaniels) in that situation it's like a death sentence.