2015 Seahawks: Our offense doesnt need Lynch, Graham or Rawls
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Is it possible folks like Wilson interpret what the rest of us consider "the superego" or "our conscience" or whatever internal monologue we may periodically carry on with ourselves as "God" talking? Or do they differentiate what they're hearing from that? What does God sound like? James Earl Jones? Lenny and Squiggy? What were "H"is exact words?
BigSoxFan said:
Yes, that's part of the personal relationship with Jesus / God that many evangelicals aspire to have. It's not that uncommon - Katy Perry (whose dad is an evangelical pastor) said something similar about her Super Bowl performance. I think the quote makes it clear that she distinguishes between what she heard as the voice of God speaking to her and a later event that is interpreted as God's will:
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2015/02/08/katy-perry-god-spoke-to-me-before-super-bowl-performance/
Yeah, that's understandable. And the few Seattle fans I know are hardly representative.DanoooME said:
But I could relate to their bewilderment at him just sort of shrugging his shoulders and walking off the field. I also remember being surprised at how calm he was immediately after the pick and at some point -- like when I had watched the replay for the 95th time -- thinking that if it had been my QB, I would have expected (and maybe even wanted) him to look a little more pissed off at the lost opportunity. When Brady suffers a pick or a loss, I sort of like that he looks as angry as I am.
But it fits that Wilson, given his beliefs and what he was hearing (from himself or beyond), would not react the way many others would have. But damn it was odd to see ANY athlete suffer such an extreme failure and not show anything more than perhaps a little shock.
TheoShmeo said:
Meh. He's still really young and has a lot of success. He's been to two SB's in 3 years as a starter and is 36-12 in the regular season. You know how players have success early in their careers, go a handful of years without making it back to the big game (SB, world series, Stanley Cup, whatever), and then when they finally make it back talk about how they took it for granted as a kid and wish they enjoyed it more? Well...that.
Even in that moment, life was fucking awesome. He got into the NFL as a 3rd round pick, quickly worked his way into a starting gig, has had an amazing amount of team success, was on track to get paid like a franchise QB, and he has another decade plus to win some rings. I think his personality is pretty laid back, but it's a lot easier to shrug your shoulders when your life is amazing and you think you have a ton of time to get back to the SB.
Marshawn Lynch was observed stashing, and then eating, chicken wings in his socks during practice.
http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/laces-out/seattle-seahawks-marshawn-lynch-chicken-wings-in-socks-071515
http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/laces-out/seattle-seahawks-marshawn-lynch-chicken-wings-in-socks-071515
Late reply:Kenny F'ing Powers said:
You really think that in the heat of the Super Bowl, after having thrown away nearly certain victory and a chance to repeat as Champions, he was thinking something along the lines of "no worries, look at the stage I am on, look at my overall life, things are really good"?
I think that's incorrect and that Wilson just has a great ability not to wear his pain on his sleeves and exhibit external calm at seemingly all times (especially when he is feeling counsel from Above).
And my point wasn't so much what was going on inside his head in any event. The point was that for Seattle fans, who were having the reactions we all saw on the you tube videos (which were consistent with a lot of what I saw personally in Glendale), it had to be a little weird to see the QB walk off the field as if they had failed to convert a first down in an exhibition game. Not that Wilson's reaction was top of mind while they were hurling themselves across the room and gesticulating wildly. But at some point, seeing his calm right after the pick had to be a little strange.
One more thing: By your logic, it should be surprising that Brady shows extreme anger when things go wrong. After all, in every down moment Tom experiences, his life as a whole is still incredibly awesome. Yet, he usually looks like he did at the end of the first half of the Ravens game when he screws up. Not that Tom's way is better or worse. I just think it's a little harder to relate to the equanimity that Wilson showed after blowing the Super Bowl.
https://twitter.com/bcondotta/status/622888401566502912
Bob Condotta@bcondotta
Brandon Browner in on-field interview says once his contract is up in New Orleans, he hopes to come back to Seahawks. #applauseline?
Bob Condotta@bcondotta
Brandon Browner in on-field interview says once his contract is up in New Orleans, he hopes to come back to Seahawks. #applauseline?
Getting back to Russell Wilson: the greatest humble-brag ever? "Man, it sucked that I lost us the Super Bowl. I was just talking with my good buddy, this guy named God, about the other day and he's like, 'don't sweat it dude'."
Wait, are you saying that I'm just crazy, and that it's not AlNipper49's voice I hear in my head all the time? He'll probably deny it here, but he tells me do... things.
Pandemonium67 said:
Wait, are you saying that I'm just crazy, and that it's not AlNipper49's voice I hear in my head all the time? He'll probably deny it here, but he tells me do... things.
Marciano490 said:
After Seahawk fans tweeted complaints in reply, the EA Sports Madden social media tweeted this next saying they were hacked. Haha...doubling down on the trolling.
https://twitter.com/EAMaddenNFL/status/623971703492898816
Holy Jesus! (Literally & figuratively): http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/13352599/quarterback-russell-wilson-close-agreement-seahawks
There was some skepticism about how Mark Rodgers would do representing Wilson, since Rodgers is primarily a baseball agent (AJ Burnett etc.) and only recertified himself as a football agent to negotiate Wilson's contract (he had stopped in 2012). But the seeming willingness of Wilson to go to free agency and the desire for large guaranteed money may have arisen precisely from Rodgers' baseball negotiations background, and resulted in this big contract.
Andrew Brandt made similar points about Rodgers a month back:
http://mmqb.si.com/2015/06/30/mark-rodgers-agent-russell-wilson-contract-nfl-the-mmqb-100
Andrew Brandt made similar points about Rodgers a month back:
http://mmqb.si.com/2015/06/30/mark-rodgers-agent-russell-wilson-contract-nfl-the-mmqb-100
sodenj5 said:
NFL salary cap in 2013 when Aaron Rodgers negotiated his contract: $123m. Salary cap in 2015: $143.28m. QB salaries are going to rise.
sodenj5 said:
When you've had the flotsam and jetsam the Hawks have had at QB in their franchise history, locking Wilson up at a potential overpay looks pretty good to a lot of people. He's arguably already the 2nd best QB in club history behind Hasselbeck. Let that sink in a moment.
And now that he has Jimmy Graham, let's see what he can do. If the O-line can improve even a little bit, I think you'll be surprised how good he can be. He's already at least top 10. And how many guys are clearly better than him? Rodgers, Luck, Brady, Brees that's it. He's on the 2nd tier with Peyton, Big Ben, Romo, Rivers, Ryan. Is he clearly behind those guys? No. You can make an argument he's better than all of those guys, so then he's top 5. Luck is stuck on his rookie deal, Brady took a team friendly deal, and Brees is only slightly behind Wilson in AAV now.
Edit: By the way, I think this is an awesome deal. Not ridiculously long and the guaranteed money was the trade-off to keep the AAV lower so that they can sign Wagner to an extension.
DanoooME said:
Agreed. Given his age and accomplishments, not sure how anyone can take issue with the contract. The Seahawks may have overpaid a touch, but Wilson was always getting a monster deal.
Per ESPN Stats, Seahawks will have 4 of the top 2 paid players at their position based on AAV:
Russell Wilson, QB, 2nd. $21.9m AAV (??? $31m signing bonus and $60m guaranteed)
Richard Sherman, CB, 2nd. $14.0m AAV. ($12.2m cap hit)
Earl Thomas, S, 1st. $10.0m AAV ($7.4m cap hit)
Jimmy Graham, TE, 1st. $10.0m AAV ($8.0m cap hit)
That is a lot of talent, but also some big numbers that make the salary cap more difficult to maneuver in 4 players. Kam Chancellor is already holding out wanting to get his money as well. It will be interesting to see the Seahawks maneuver the cap in the next few years.
For context, the Patriots top 4 players are as follows: (Per Spotrac)
Tom Brady, QB, $9 million AAV ($14.0m cap hit)
Rob Gronkowski, TE, $9 million AAV ($8.6m cap hit)
Devin McCourty, S, $9.5 million AAV ($6.0m cap hit)
Jabaal Sheard, DE, $5.5 million AAV ($4.0m cap hit)
I can't find anything that shows Wilson's 2015 salary cap number.
EDIT: redundancy
Russell Wilson, QB, 2nd. $21.9m AAV (??? $31m signing bonus and $60m guaranteed)
Richard Sherman, CB, 2nd. $14.0m AAV. ($12.2m cap hit)
Earl Thomas, S, 1st. $10.0m AAV ($7.4m cap hit)
Jimmy Graham, TE, 1st. $10.0m AAV ($8.0m cap hit)
That is a lot of talent, but also some big numbers that make the salary cap more difficult to maneuver in 4 players. Kam Chancellor is already holding out wanting to get his money as well. It will be interesting to see the Seahawks maneuver the cap in the next few years.
For context, the Patriots top 4 players are as follows: (Per Spotrac)
Tom Brady, QB, $9 million AAV ($14.0m cap hit)
Rob Gronkowski, TE, $9 million AAV ($8.6m cap hit)
Devin McCourty, S, $9.5 million AAV ($6.0m cap hit)
Jabaal Sheard, DE, $5.5 million AAV ($4.0m cap hit)
I can't find anything that shows Wilson's 2015 salary cap number.
EDIT: redundancy
The money is going to be tight, and they haven't made a first-round draft pick in three seasons. I have a lot of respect for the coaching staff and front office, but they've set themselves up for some big challenges two-three seasons out. Lack of depth was a big factor in losing the Super Bowl last year; Brady went to town after Lane and Avril got hurt.RGREELEY33 said:
EDIT: To circle it back to Wilson: they pretty much had to do it. Like Flacco a couple years ago, it's one thing to say he isn't worth the money, it's another to find a replacement.
Super Nomario said:
There are reasons why it's incredibly hard to put together a dynasty in today's NFL. And it is another example of how unbelievable it's been for the Patriots to remain at the top for so long. Given the way the league is, this is the most remarkable 14 year run in perhaps sports history.
Super Nomario said:
I think that's one of the biggest driving factors. As a Dolphin fan, I know all too well the carousel of mediocrity at QB and what comes with it. Wilson may not be an elite quarterback, but there sure aren't any viable alternatives out there. If he walks, you likely set the franchise back much further than if you pony up the money to keep him and whatever roster ramifications that come with it.
It's not really that remarkable. The Patriots would never have been on top for so long if they weren't positioning cameras in the wrong place in the stadium or using weather control devices to deflate footballs with sciencish knowledge. They are nothing without all that fancy book learnin.ivanvamp said:
p.s. also, they finesse, we tuff
DanoooME said:
Seems like a great deal for both. Fewer years and not quite as much money as was originally demanded, but Wilson got and deserves top dollar. And, yeah, really would love to see him with better receivers and OL. I think the receiver part, anyway, will be improved this season -- not so sure on the OL.
Apparently Wagner is now the highest paid middle linebacker ever.
Ian Rapoport @RapSheet 17m17 minutes ago
At $10.75M per year, Bobby Wagner becomes highest-paid MLB in the history of the NFL. The #Panthers and Luke Kuechly are up next.
Ian Rapoport @RapSheet 21m21 minutes ago
The guarantee for #Seahawks LB Bobby Wagner is $22M, to go with four years, $43M. A monster deal.
Ian Rapoport @RapSheet 17m17 minutes ago
At $10.75M per year, Bobby Wagner becomes highest-paid MLB in the history of the NFL. The #Panthers and Luke Kuechly are up next.
Ian Rapoport @RapSheet 21m21 minutes ago
The guarantee for #Seahawks LB Bobby Wagner is $22M, to go with four years, $43M. A monster deal.
So who is not going to get paid on this defense? Does Kam not get the raise he wants?
At some point, I would think they are going to need to start focusing on the other side of the ball.
It seems to be the consensus here is that Wilson could be even better if he had more talent around him, but with the way the FO is spending money will they ever focus on the O?
Lynch is great and probably has a few more years at his elite level and now they have at least one year of Graham.
Is that enough talent to support the team if the D takes a step back due injuries/lack of depth or other factors?
Also they really need to stop trading away 1st round picks.
At some point, I would think they are going to need to start focusing on the other side of the ball.
It seems to be the consensus here is that Wilson could be even better if he had more talent around him, but with the way the FO is spending money will they ever focus on the O?
Lynch is great and probably has a few more years at his elite level and now they have at least one year of Graham.
Is that enough talent to support the team if the D takes a step back due injuries/lack of depth or other factors?
Also they really need to stop trading away 1st round picks.
At 29 years old with over 2000 carries, a fall-forward RB like Lynch would be extremely lucky to notch a few more elite years.Silverdude2167 said:
Silverdude2167 said:
1. No, he signed a deal and the Lynch situation last year proved all he'll get is additional guaranteed dollars at best. Bennett was also disgruntled about his deal, but they haven't given him anything yet either. At this point, there's nothing left to give.
2. Percy Harvin didn't end up working out except for his Super Bowl performance but are you really going to get a better talent than Harvin or Graham at #31 or #32?
The point is that you need contributions from key players on rookie scale deals. Graham and Harvin (at that time anyway) are certainly talented players but they are/were paid accordingly.DanoooME said:
burstnbloom said:
And they do that at lower levels of the draft, which is even cheaper for them than first round picks.
DT Tony McDaniel was released to create $2.5M in cap room.
DanoooME said:
That is how they got some of these great players who are now getting paid.
But it is a risky strategy as the later into the draft you go, the less likely you are to find a starter. Something like only 50% of the players drafted in the 2nd round become starters. (From 2012 and not sure how great these guys are (could not find a more recent analysis)
The fact that they have not had a 1st round pick in the past three years will impact them in team depth, but also they are now paying for players like (Graham) on their peak earning contracts instead of a rookie contract that will be team friendly for 4-5 years.
I guess it depends on what you mean by talent. You can get physical talents anywhere (Graham was a late-third-round pick out of Miami), but obviously you're not getting a proven player anywhere in the draft. I guess it comes down to whether you get more value out of picking 31 or 32 and getting a rookie-scale guy for 4-5 years or getting a proven vet at a position of need signed to a healthy contract. Obviously Harvin didn't work out; we'll see about Graham. The other factor is that the 2013 draft was very weak and 2015 wasn't terrific, either, so maybe they just didn't like anybody.DanoooME said:
The other issue is that while it's easy to dismiss 31-32 as barely a first-round pick, in 2013 and 2015 the Seahawks didn't pick until 62 and 63 respectively, so their first pick was barely a second-rounder. 2014, where they traded back for pick 45 and picked up picks, is a different animal.
This will be interesting to see going forward. Some of the draft is always luck, but I think the Seahawks have been better than anyone else at turning physical talents into football players (J.R. Sweezy is probably the poster boy for this) and in identifying players that fit their scheme (with Sherman being the best example). The former edge might hold up - other teams might copy them and grab high-SPARQ guys, but can they turn them into football players as the Seahawks have? The latter is more dubious, because even if Schneider and Carroll maintain their excellence in finding scheme fits, they're facing a lot more competition for them now. You've got Gus Bradley in Jacksonville and Dan Quinn in Atlanta bringing the same scheme over, and copycats around the league incorporating elements of the Seattle scheme. Even if you think the Seahawks' late-round draft superiority is real - and I believe it is, partially - 31 other teams are watching what you're doing, making it difficult to keep a significant edge for long.DanoooME said:
By my rough calculations they have $107M in cap commitments for their top 12 players in 2016. Some of those guys will likely be cut or restructured but that is extremely top heavy.
Morgan's Magic Snowplow said:
Most of their contracts have steady cap numbers, so I don't know what restructuring they can do if it becomes necessary. The exception to this is Bobby Wagner's new deal, which according to Jason Fitzgerald at OvertheCap.com is structured a lot like Peyton Manning's last Colts deal where there's an option in 2016 that Seattle would have to exercise. I guess it's acts as a failsafe where they take a 1 year cap hit if his performance drops. They usually have consistent deals from year to year, so this must be the compromise to get a deal done, since this deal is backloaded in the last two years.
Edit: The Hawks also picked up CB Mohammed Seisey from Detroit for a 6th round pick. He's got the "combine numbers" they like in a player, so it'll be interesting to see how he fits. This is pretty similar to the Burley deal from a couple of years ago, except my limited impression is that Seisey is a better athlete.
