2015 Seahawks: Our offense doesnt need Lynch, Graham or Rawls

DanoooME

above replacement level
SoSH Member
Mar 16, 2008
19,939
Henderson, NV
There are 3 clues, all Chappelle Show related.  They are usually so obscure, even after you see the answer it's hard to trace them back to the clue.
 

wibi

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 15, 2005
11,850
Once again PC and JS drafted exactly how they have since they came to Seattle.  Taking physical freaks who might not be the most polished or have the best character.  So far its worked out extremely well for Seattle.  I expect very few of this years draft picks to see significant playing time initially but by the midway point in the season I expect three or four of them to get significant playing time. 
 
Frank Clark (DE) (R2, #63)
Projects to be similar to Michael Bennett but expected to replace the production lost when Chris Clemmons left. Recruited to Michigan as a Safety but put on 60lbs in 4 years and played the last two at DE.  34" arms.  Top DL combine performer in vertical leap, 3 cone, 20yd and 60yd shuttle.  High SPARQ rating.  5th most athletic player in the draft.  Fell to the late second round due to domestic violence issues and was dismissed from the Michigan football team in November as a result.  
 
Tyler Lockett (WR) (R3, #69)
Comparisons to Golden Tate (minus the Wilson wife issues).  Considered to be a flawless route runner with excellent hands. Shows the ability to catch almost any ball thrown his way except the high and fast ones (due primarily to his small hands.) Will be Seattle's KR and PR to start the season.  Has some trouble creating initial separate against the press.  
 
Terry Poole (OL) (R4, #130)
Tom Cable project #1.  Projects to have the ability to play any OL position except LT.  33" arms. 
 
Mark Glowinski (OL) (R4, #134)
Expected to compete for the starting LG slot vacated by James Carpenter.  Hard nose, tough player who loves to live in the gym.  High SPARQ rating.  Top OL combine performer in bench press and broad jump.  Projects to play any OL position.  
 
Tye Smith (CB) (R5, #170)
Agressive zone corner with 32" arms. Former WR turned CB.  6' tall but looks extremely skinny.  Hits like he wants to be part of the LOB.  Great work ethic.  Could use to get stronger on the press and in tackling.  Remind anyone of someone Seattle took a couple of years ago? 
 
Oburn Gwacham (DE) (R6, #209)
First name is pronounced O-boom.  Transitioned in 2014 from WR to DE because he couldnt catch the ball well.  Expected to play in the LEO rotation and provide good coverage against TEs.  7' high jump.  
 
Kristjan Sokoli (DT) (R6, #214)
JR Sweezy 2.0.  Will be converted to the OG position.  Physical freak.  38" vertical (To compare Jordan's vertical coming out of UNC was 36"), 31 bench press reps, 4.86 40.  #1 SPARQ rating for DL and #2 overall in the draft..  Only comps in the SPARQ DB is to JJ Watt.  Considered to be the NFLs first 4sigma athlete by SPARQ.   Expected to not see much playing time until the 2nd or 3rd year of his rookie contract.
 
Ryan Murphy (DB) (R7, #248)
Marshawn Lynch's cousin.  6'3" 214.  High SPARQ rating but expected to primarily play ST and backup KR.
 

Tony C

Moderator
Moderator
SoSH Member
Apr 13, 2000
13,727
Is another reason they might trade Irvin that he's part of the Percy Harvin discontented crew?
 

SoxinSeattle

Member
SoSH Member
Mar 6, 2003
2,375
Here
Wife beaters and Green Berets. You can't make this shit up. Like the Pat's though they didn't/don't need the draft to be spectacular as their cupboards are already stocked. Rematch!
 

DanoooME

above replacement level
SoSH Member
Mar 16, 2008
19,939
Henderson, NV
Tony C said:
Is another reason they might trade Irvin that he's part of the Percy Harvin discontented crew?
 
Other reports have indicated the trade rumors were never true.  Even so, I doubt it.  The team really came together after Harvin left.
 
Mel Kiper gave the Seahawks' draft an A- which has to be the kiss of death since he shits on their drafting regularly, especially 2012.
 

wibi

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 15, 2005
11,850
DanoooME said:
Mel Kiper gave the Seahawks' draft an A- which has to be the kiss of death since he shits on their drafting regularly, especially 2012.
 
I see this as Mel playing a CYA game since he panned the 2012 draft and ended up eating his words a couple of years later.  
 

Tony C

Moderator
Moderator
SoSH Member
Apr 13, 2000
13,727
That's just bizarre. I root for Seattle (after the Pats, natch) and I tend to be in the camp that people shouldn't pay life sentences for breaking the law, even things like this. Even with those biases, this is just f'd up -- Schneider has a public statement saying he wouldn't draft anyone who hit a women, and then they go through the pretense of an investigation and decide to forget that promise?
 
That's very hard to let pass. The 49ers-'Hawks Domestic Abuse Bowl should be a good one this year.
 

ThePrideofShiner

Crests prematurely
SoSH Member
Jul 16, 2005
10,789
Washington
Tacoma News Tribune columnist John McGrath says that Schneider and Pete Carroll got cocky and believed in their own ability to always make the right decision in drafting Clark. Good read here, eviscerating the pair:
 
It’s been four days since the Seattle Seahawks made their bewildering decision to spend a second-round draft choice on a player dismissed from his college football team following a domestic-violence arrest, and the question gnaws.
 
What were general manager John Schneider and coach Pete Carroll thinking?
 
The most successful front-office brain trust in the NFL, responsible for a roster that is the envy of the league, put its sterling credentials to bed Friday with the selection of Michigan defensive end Frank Clark. During the five seconds required to announce Clark as the newest member of the Seahawks, five years of goodwill between a football team and the fans who support it was extinguished faster than a cigar match struck in the wind.
 
Again: What were Schneider and Carroll thinking?
 
My guess is the duo came to believe in the rave reviews that accompany virtually every roster move they make. When the world keeps telling a man how brilliant and shrewd he is, a man tends to believe he’s more brilliant and shrewd than anybody else.
 
Although Clark’s assault case was plea-bargained from a felony to a fourth-degree misdemeanor, the police report of the apparent beating his ex-girlfriend suffered in the hotel room they shared last November contained details vivid enough to convince 31 other teams to pass on him.

Read more here: http://www.thenewstribune.com/2015/05/05/3777393/john-mcgrath-seahawks-pick-of.html#storylink=cpy
 
 
 
 
http://www.thenewstribune.com/2015/05/05/3777393/john-mcgrath-seahawks-pick-of.html
 

ThePrideofShiner

Crests prematurely
SoSH Member
Jul 16, 2005
10,789
Washington
Devizier said:
It's remarkable how quickly the Frank Clark scandal disappeared in light of Ballghazi, isn't it?
 
http://www.seattletimes.com/sports/seahawks/witnesses-describe-ugly-hotel-incident-involving-seahawks-draft-pick/
 
Perhaps it disappeared nationally, but it is certainly a point of contention up here still.
 
I'd expect when camp opens it will come up again and hopefully stay on the front burner a bit. 
 
That said, most fans don't give two shits what the players do in their off time, as long as they win football games - and that is no different in this situation. I personally hope he breaks his leg and makes it a lot easier to root for the Hawks this year.
 

lambeau

Member
SoSH Member
Feb 7, 2010
1,175
Connecticut
The Hawks undertook an extensive investigation that involved several in-depth interviews with the perp himself: "I dint do nuffin'." End of investigation. LOL. If only Paul Allen or the NFL could afford an independent investigation...
 

wibi

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 15, 2005
11,850
HriniakPosterChild said:
More likely than not, that is...
 
Something that really doesnt need to be on any other threads in this forum?  Want to comment on the Clark investigation and stuff related to that?  No worries.  Want to make shitty comments about how if only Paul Allen could afford an independent investigation?  Not really funny or necessesary
 
M

MentalDisabldLst

Guest
DanoooME said:
Ryan ended up lasting 47 seconds.  I have no idea if that's any good or not.
 
Here's his run:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPionwKG4rs
 
He cleared the first 2 obstacles, including a Silk Slider that took out a lot of people in last year's Finals, before a "log roll"-style tilting obstacle nailed him because he wasn't running fast enough / precise enough with his feet.  He's probably lucky he didn't make it to the warped wall, which would likely have revealed a humiliating lack of technique.
 
Even that qualifier course is no joke, though.  The guys who actually have a shot to win the season complete it at a 90%+ rate, but the walk-ons are probably <10%.  And it's just six obstacles.  Every year there are a few professional athletes who show up without training and assume they can rock it, and a lot of them go out on easy stuff.  Ryan acquitted himself well by that standard, but would need to find a replica course to train on if he wants to actually be a contender.
 

GeorgeCostanza

tiger king
SoSH Member
May 16, 2009
7,286
Go f*ck yourself
I too thought he did well for a first timer. And any discussion about ANW, Seahawks thread or not, is incomplete without a picture of the future ex mrs costanza Kacy Catanzaro.

 

OCST

Sunny von Bulow
SoSH Member
Jan 10, 2004
24,572
The 718
MentalDisabldLst said:
 
Here's his run:
 

 
He cleared the first 2 obstacles, including a Silk Slider that took out a lot of people in last year's Finals, before a "log roll"-style tilting obstacle nailed him because he wasn't running fast enough / precise enough with his feet.  He's probably lucky he didn't make it to the warped wall, which would likely have revealed a humiliating lack of technique.
 
Even that qualifier course is no joke, though.  The guys who actually have a shot to win the season complete it at a 90%+ rate, but the walk-ons are probably <10%.  And it's just six obstacles.  Every year there are a few professional athletes who show up without training and assume they can rock it, and a lot of them go out on easy stuff.  Ryan acquitted himself well by that standard, but would need to find a replica course to train on if he wants to actually be a contender.
It would be tres amusant to get one of these courses for the next Bash, and see how SoSHers do.
 

Reverend

for king and country
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Jan 20, 2007
64,717
Silverdude2167 said:
God - "I bet alot of money on this game. I gave you a mircale catch and you screw it up. You are no Eli. I knew I should have backed Brady. God out."
If you're gonna make this joke, you really need to work the "Eli" angle more.
 

Tony C

Moderator
Moderator
SoSH Member
Apr 13, 2000
13,727
BannedbyNYYFans.com said:
 
 
Why do you find this so odd?  There were photos of conversation...
 
 
Brilliant. 
 

Ed Hillel

Wants to be startin somethin
SoSH Member
Dec 12, 2007
44,336
Here
That is one of the more narcissistic things I've ever heard someone say. The God talking to him is one issue, but that God told him it was in God's plans to show the world how amazing Wilson's overcoming it would be? That's disturbing.
 

Valek123

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 13, 2005
985
Upper Valley
Talk about a self absorbed, possibly borderline D.I.D. person...  I wonder if it was Bad Wilson or Good Wilson whispering in the other's ear, I've just never seen an athlete cross this bridge to this level.  Absolutely agree with Ed Hillel, but will add attention whore.  I've respected him greatly for years, but this is painful IMO.  I'm clearly an atheist due to things I've seen in my life that I just can not believe are "greater purpose" driven after being brought up what I'd refer to as "holiday religious".
 
Honest question, is the fan base in Seattle a deeply religious group?  I have only traveled to the north west a few times and it struck me as progressive not so much a deeply bible driven group that his thoughts would play into marketing and/or fan base popularity.
 

SoxinSeattle

Member
SoSH Member
Mar 6, 2003
2,375
Here
Not deeply religious but we stay out of other people's shit. At least I think we do. I've been here 18 years. He is on another level and does not represent the fan base. They won't like this but will do the same as anyone. He's a nut but he's our nut. A nut that brought us our first SB.
 

Kenny F'ing Powers

posts way less than 18% useful shit
SoSH Member
Nov 17, 2010
14,490
Valek123 said:
Talk about a self absorbed, possibly borderline D.I.D. person...  I wonder if it was Bad Wilson or Good Wilson whispering in the other's ear, I've just never seen an athlete cross this bridge to this level.  Absolutely agree with Ed Hillel, but will add attention whore.  I've respected him greatly for years, but this is painful IMO.  I'm clearly an atheist due to things I've seen in my life that I just can not believe are "greater purpose" driven after being brought up what I'd refer to as "holiday religious".
 
Honest question, is the fan base in Seattle a deeply religious group?  I have only traveled to the north west a few times and it struck me as progressive not so much a deeply bible driven group that his thoughts would play into marketing and/or fan base popularity.
 
I mean, look...the guy believes God is talking to him. It's fucking weird. But if he's taking his internal dialogue and turning it into "don't be a sore loser" by sprinkling a little Jesus Juice on it, then who cares? Of all the crazy shit athletes do, at least this one isn't harming other people.
 

Leather

given himself a skunk spot
SoSH Member
Jul 18, 2005
28,451
Have Boston fans already forgotten the lunatic that played his ass off between the pipes for them/us in 2011?   
 
Professional athletes are a strange bunch.
 

Laser Show

Member
SoSH Member
Nov 7, 2008
5,096
This would make quite the P&G thread... http://thornography.weei.com/sports/boston/2015/07/07/russell-wilson-not-having-sex-with-ciara-because-god-said-so/

Wilson explained that during a conversation they had while she was on tour, God came to him and told Wilson that he needed to “lead her.” Wilson proposed taking “that extra stuff” off the table and doing things “Jesus’ way” to Ciara, and she agreed. When the pastor asked if Wilson was talking about sex, Wilson confirmed that he was indeed “talking about sex.”

“I ain’t gonna lie to y’all now,” Wilson said. “I need you to pray for us. I know y’all have seen her on the screen. If there’s a 10, she’s a 15.”
 

singaporesoxfan

Well-Known Member
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Jul 21, 2004
11,890
Washington, DC
Do SoSHers really not have any interactions with evangelical Christians? The idea that God speaks specifically to you, the idea that God tests you, and the specific language that Wilson uses, are all very much on par with how a not insignificant portion of the American public thinks and speaks about their relationship with God. Hardly the sort of thing that would elicit a "holy shit" or that would put him anywhere near fringe thinking.
 

Ed Hillel

Wants to be startin somethin
SoSH Member
Dec 12, 2007
44,336
Here
singaporesoxfan said:
Do SoSHers really not have any interactions with evangelical Christians? The idea that God speaks specifically to you, the idea that God tests you, and the specific language that Wilson uses, are all very much on par with how a not insignificant portion of the American public thinks and speaks about their relationship with God. Hardly the sort of thing that would elicit a "holy shit" or that would put him anywhere near fringe thinking.
 
First off, this isn't super comforting, but I won't really get into that. Along those lines, I wasn't going to examine too closely the part where he mentioned God spoke with him and was testing him. My personal issue is that he went beyond that to say that God specifically told him that God was testing Wilson because God wanted to show off how amazing Russell Wilson was. Maybe that's common, too, and it's supposed to be some inspirational thing for people, but that seems like a fairly bold thing to share with everyone. He said something similar regarding his relationship with Ciara ("God told me to lead her"), and I just find it really offputting.
 
Have Boston fans already forgotten the lunatic that played his ass off between the pipes for them/us in 2011?
 
No, but we openly discussed how much of a lunatic he was as he was spouting off his insanity. Similar for Schilling, depending on one's views of him. I don't think there's anything wrong with discussing Wilson when he makes his comments, either.
 

Pandemonium67

Member
SoSH Member
Apr 17, 2003
5,588
Santa Fe
Honest question, is the fan base in Seattle a deeply religious group?
 
 
God, no. Seattle is among the least religious big cities (according to studies). It's also been among the most sports-success-starved big cities, so my Seahawk fan friends like Wilson for winning the Superbowl.  When he opens his God-loving mouth to spout about God's love, they just roll their eyes.  After l'affaire Golden Tate, one of them told me "I guess the Lord Jeebus doesn't love Russell so much after all."
 
Personally, I subscribe to the Beelzechick Theory -- that BB is indeed the Dark Prince and tempted Wilson's wife into an adulterous relationship which led to Golden Tate being banished to Detroit, which led to Ricardo Lockett being the intended target on the greatest play in World History. Well done, Bill.
 

Devizier

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 3, 2000
19,626
Somewhere
Seattle does have a strain of nutty evangelicism, though. Mars Hill, among other crazy new breed churches. The mainline denominations are totally dead though.
 

dcdrew10

Member
SoSH Member
Dec 8, 2005
1,404
Washington, DC via Worcester
Ed Hillel said:
 
My personal issue is that he went beyond that to say that God specifically told him that God was testing Wilson because God wanted to show off how amazing Russell Wilson was. Maybe that's common, too, and it's supposed to be some inspirational thing for people, but that seems like a fairly bold thing to share with everyone. He said something similar regarding his relationship with Ciara ("God told me to lead her"), and I just find it really offputting.
 
This. 10000000 times this. He name dropped God. He's basically proclaiming himself a messenger of God. That's about as bold as it gets. I find people like him and Tebow to be insufferable because they seem so contrived and hypocritical; "Oh I am just so humble and hard working, an Everyman who is working for God. Look at me so humble. Let me take every chance to call attention to myself by doing my signature prayer pose or talk about how God wants me to show people how handle situations and how to live. I'm so humble."
 

singaporesoxfan

Well-Known Member
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Jul 21, 2004
11,890
Washington, DC
Ed Hillel said:
 
First off, this isn't super comforting, but I won't really get into that. Along those lines, I wasn't going to examine too closely the part where he mentioned God spoke with him and was testing him. My personal issue is that he went beyond that to say that God specifically told him that God was testing Wilson because God wanted to show off how amazing Russell Wilson was. Maybe that's common, too, and it's supposed to be some inspirational thing for people, but that seems like a fairly bold thing to share with everyone. He said something similar regarding his relationship with Ciara ("God told me to lead her"), and I just find it really offputting.
It may be off-putting, but it's not that bold as evangelical language goes - it's fairly common to see one's life as living testimony, a vessel through which God works.
 

TheoShmeo

Skrub's sympathy case
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Jul 19, 2005
12,890
Boston, NY
The ironic thing for me about the substance of Wilson's comment is that the few Seattle fans I know were mad as hell that their QB took the Butler pick with such equanimity.   
 

DanoooME

above replacement level
SoSH Member
Mar 16, 2008
19,939
Henderson, NV
TheoShmeo said:
The ironic thing for me about the substance of Wilson's comment is that the few Seattle fans I know were mad as hell that their QB took the Butler pick with such equanimity.   
 
I think a lot of that has to do with winning it all the year before.  If this had been their first chance to win a Super Bowl, I think the line at the Space Needle to jump off the top would have been huge.
 
I'm not mad at Wilson for his reaction.  That's the way he's built.  I'd actually be pretty surprised if he was bitter about it.
 
Wilson talks about God in pretty much every interview he does; it's as much a part of his interviews as "Go Hawks" at the end.  It's eye-roll-worthy to some folks (like me), but that's his belief system.  We all run in different ways.  I don't begrudge him for it.