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Tell me about it. In the golf league it's basically match play and they hate me because I have a high handicap but I play like a lower handicap on 6 or 7 of the 9 hole, and just blow up on the other two. So I'm getting a stroke on a bunch of those holes and playing well, so I win them more often. 
 
I've had multiple people tell me that I play way better than I score. I just find so many ways to give away strokes, be it poor short game, the occasional terrible tee shot, or a chunked wedge at the worst possible time. Also a lot of the times my second shot ends up around the green instead of on the green, so I need to rely on my short game which is pretty uniformly terrible (except my putting, which is decent). If I got to an average short game I like to think I could shave 5 strokes off my handicap quickly.
 

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It's indeed the fastest way to reduce scores.  You might try switching to playing bump and runs around the greens.  Use everything from 5-iron up to p-wedge.  You can use the same stroke and adjust just the club and how much you choke down. It's very difficult to chunk or chili-dip a bump and run.  I get that sometimes you need to get the ball in the air but usually there's some green to work with.  Also, chipping is the closest thing to 50/50 technique and feel.  If either one is off then you're basically going to struggle.  You should have someone who's a really good chipper show you their technique.  Feel I relate to throwing a baseball.  You never think about how far to throw it, you just throw it the right distance without thinking about it.  That's what I try to do chipping.  
 
Oh, and your wedges probably don't have enough bounce.  Most people are playing with waaaay too little bounce in their wedges.
 

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My trick to chipping is to maintain a similar stroke to putting.  It took a few dozen balls to dial in (Im sure I looked like a fool hitting buckets of range balls to practice chipping) but the end result was a much more consistent short game.  Still have some trouble with the longer pitches because I change my swing when I'm trying to hit longer but not overhit
 

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jercra said:
It's indeed the fastest way to reduce scores.  You might try switching to playing bump and runs around the greens.  Use everything from 5-iron up to p-wedge.  You can use the same stroke and adjust just the club and how much you choke down. It's very difficult to chunk or chili-dip a bump and run.  I get that sometimes you need to get the ball in the air but usually there's some green to work with.  Also, chipping is the closest thing to 50/50 technique and feel.  If either one is off then you're basically going to struggle.  You should have someone who's a really good chipper show you their technique.  Feel I relate to throwing a baseball.  You never think about how far to throw it, you just throw it the right distance without thinking about it.  That's what I try to do chipping.  
 
Oh, and your wedges probably don't have enough bounce.  Most people are playing with waaaay too little bounce in their wedges.
Yeah that absolutely makes sense, and I've been moving to more bump and run and less chipping the ball up in the air. Just need to practice. 
 
As far as wedges go, I'm using the TaylorMade ATV wedges so the bounce "should" be ok.
 
wibi said:
My trick to chipping is to maintain a similar stroke to putting.  It took a few dozen balls to dial in (Im sure I looked like a fool hitting buckets of range balls to practice chipping) but the end result was a much more consistent short game.  Still have some trouble with the longer pitches because I change my swing when I'm trying to hit longer but not overhit
Yeah I definitely try that but then I overthink it and lose any touch or feel. It's 50/50 mental and technique for me, I just need to really practice a lot. 
 

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Hmm, I just did a bit of reading on the ATV wedges.  They're basically a C-grind sole that TM left the bounce number off of.  It's an interesting marketing trick.  There's a bounce, it's not really optional.  They just don't print it and make only one setup and rely on the C-grind for shotmaking.  C-grinds are useful to play a bunch of different shots with the same club (because you can lay the face open without the leading edge sticking up or leave it closed without a super low bounce).  It's not a new design (Tom Wishon did one a few years ago and so did Cleveland).  Have they helped you?  Do you still chili-dip?
 

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Yeah that's why I had the should in quotation marks there. So far I really like them, especially for shots further away from the green. I had a tendency to catch by full swings with the 52 and 56 very fat, and now the ball flight is actually pretty awesome so far. Around the greens they've been hit or miss. They are definitely much better than my old wedges, but naturally they're not the cure-all as I definitely have technique issues as well. Most often my chipping issues come from decelerating the club or hitting the ground first, so I chunk/duff the chip. Problem is that when I try to commit to the chip too much, I end up smoking it across the green. My toughest chips are always around tight lies too, when it's propped up and I can confidently swing and pop it up in the air.
 
But with these wedges, when you catch it right, it's beautiful. I'm overall very happy with the purchase, but obviously I don't have an alternate set of new wedges to compare them against.
 

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Heh, "commit to the chip too much".  That's great.  It certainly sounds like technique issues.  FWIW, when I teach people to chip the main thing that I try to have them focus on is keeping the hands in front of the clubface through the entire swing and to keep a very quiet lower half.  Try it on the chipping green and stick to one wedge.  Once you get the basics of this you'll almost never blade one across the green or chunk one again.  Wedge are very forgiving at low clubhead speeds.  Combine that with adding more bump and runs to your game and you should see marked improvement in your up and down skills.
 

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Death took me to his member guest and we both had our worst rounds of the year (Though I kept it somewhat respectable).
 
1st hole included a shank out of bounds on a 3RD SHOT to a green, and a straight top that came back up and hit one of us.
 
 
Maybe next time we'll each get more than 3 hours sleep after 6 or 7 gin and tonics...
 

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jercra said:
Heh, "commit to the chip too much".  That's great. 
What do you mean? It's a poor turn of phrase, but in short I try make sure I don't decelerate and end up catch it pure but too hard. It's good contact, but not what I needed at the time, if that makes sense.
 
Thanks for the other advice, I've definitely heard similar tips but just can't seem to get them to work. I'll keep practicing though.
 

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What do you mean? It's a poor turn of phrase, but in short I try make sure I don't decelerate and end up catch it pure but too hard. It's good contact, but not what I needed at the time, if that makes sense.
 
Thanks for the other advice, I've definitely heard similar tips but just can't seem to get them to work. I'll keep practicing though.
I just meant it's an awesome way to express something that every golfer has felt:  "I am NOT going to decelerate on this one!!"  I like the idea of being too committed to a chip and will use that phrase when teaching people.
 

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phragle said:
Ever play with a 60, TFP?  I have a shitty one and I still love it.  It doesn't allow you to decelerate.
I switched to a 60 for chipping about 5 years ago.  P-wedge if it's a short carry and a long rollout.  60 for everything else.  It's worth a try.  Get the same as your other wedges unless you want to learn a new look and feel over the club.
 

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The Four Peters said:
Anyone here still using OOB to track their scores/handicap? I actually really like it, been using it on my phone during my rounds to track scores (rather than have to write down club off the tee, fairway hit, putts, etc on the card itself). It's also interesting to see how my scores are trending and what happens in different situations. Unfortunately, all this information hasn't done much to help my game.
That's one of the more impressive first 10 holes you've had.  How many of the tips and tricks from yesterday did you try to contribute to that +39 in 10 holes (followed by birdie of course)?
 

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I'm going to try Lake of Isles again tomorrow. $125 for the round but I get another round free to be used by 8/31. Hopefully the irons work a little better thus time.
 

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jercra said:
That's one of the more impressive first 10 holes you've had.  How many of the tips and tricks from yesterday did you try to contribute to that +39 in 10 holes (followed by birdie of course)?
Since no one gave me the tip of "don't get the shanks on the course", none of them. What a brutally awful front 9. Literally couldn't get the ball off the ground.
 
Was pretty happy with the turnaround on the back though. Kept my head in and found my (relative) swing again. My game is still all over the place though and not likely to get any better. Unsurprisingly, lessons made my swing look nicer but really ended up making me score worse. 
 

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I haven't been keeping up with the thread or keeping up with tracking online ... sorry guys.  I am in my typical cycle of shooting anywhere from 82 to 100 (sometimes on consecutive days).  I think I am on my usual mid summer upswing but we shall see.  My last few rounds have been incredibly inconsistent 9's.  I've shot 40/46 (86) ... 42/50 (92) ... and 41/47 (88).  It's maddening!!  I feel like my overall ball striking is about as good as it's been in awhile but I just can't avoid having that stretch of holes where I lose a shot or two (or three) with some dumb shots.
 

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I haven't updated OOB in forever but I've been playing pretty well, DOTB's tournament aside.
 
I've been consistently in the lower 80's, sometimes breaking it.  If I have a bad day I'll be around 85/86, which is a lot better than a bad day being 91/92 like last year.
 
Yesterday we played in a tournament at my club and I brought my brother as my guest.  The format was modified scramble, everyone plays their own ball out of the best drive, and playing everything into the hole I shot even par.  Out of 18 holes I think we used my brother's tee shot 10 or 11 times.  My tee game is the weakest part of my game by far, yesterday's round showcased it even more.
 

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I'm having alignment problems. For whatever reason, I'm lining up well left of my target, particularly off the tee. My ball striking has been pretty good overall, but there have been plenty of instances where I've gotten myself in trouble simply because I was lined up left of the target. Triple bogeys instead of par/bogey. I had 2 triple bogeys in my last round where I was lying 3 on the tee after sending my first shot left and OOB.
 

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I played nine at George Wright (City of Boston Muni) last night after work and shot a 45. Couple bogeys, a triple bog on the par 5 3rd, a bogey, a double, then par, par, birdie, then triple. Overall, it was pretty damn good for me. I hit irons better than I ever have. If I could get off the tee consistently and putt better, I might actually be okay at this game.
 
BTW, George Wright is in amazing condition. I love that course.
 

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PLayed over the weekend, 8 pars and somehow ended up with a 102.  Started by pushing everything out to the right off the tee. Figured that out mid round, just in time for my short game to go to crap. 
Had 2 holes that I damn near drove the green and ended up with a double on one and a bogey on the other
Was putting lights out... 28 putts for the day
 

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Depite weekly lessons from November till now and assiduous work on my swing (which is totally revamped) my scores have not budged.  Just now starting to break 100, and then just barely.  Mostly its the short game that's killing me, but there is also the occaisional mishit / shank off into the woods, starting a real adventure in recovery leading to the inevitable snowman.  I remain optimistic.  My new swing is clearly superior to what I had; I just need to groove it more completely.  And work on the short game, of course.
 

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80 today.  Played the back first and shot 42, then 38 on the front.  The 38 is a nice score because par on the front is 37 (3 par 5s).  8 pars, one three putt bogey.
 

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Zomp said:
80 today.  Played the back first and shot 42, then 38 on the front.  The 38 is a nice score because par on the front is 37 (3 par 5s).  8 pars, one three putt bogey.
I had a similar bi-polar round yesterday. 44 on the front followed by a 37 on the back (with 3 birdies).
 

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You guys don't even know bi-polar.  There is a legendary story of a guy at our club.  Still a member, probably about 70 now.  About 20 years ago, he shot 66 on the front 9 and broke 100.  Went 33 on the back.  Was in a tournament, everything in the hole, which is probably why he didn't walk off after the first 9.  He's also very well known for regularly making par on par 4's, when starting 3 off the tee.  We call it the "(name of member) par." 
 
I've yet to hear of anyone ever shooting half their score (or double) from one side to the next. Story is absolutely true, as it's been corroborated by everyone, including our club pro.
 

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Wow, I thought my 63-46 last week was bipolar. That blows it out of the water.
 

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Last year I shot a 54/38 at Shining Rock.  Keep in mind that Par is 35/37.  So I shot +19 on the front and +1 on the back (with a makeable birdie putt on 18). 

Now that's the craziest swing I've ever had.
 

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Just got word that I'm playing the TPC Boston on Thursday. 2:40 tee time. Going to be 95 degrees, but fuck it.
 
I've played there a few times, it's a really fun course.  Not too hard if you play the right tees, but you can see it would be a bear from the tips, or if the wind was up.  I had a buddy whose Dad is still a member, unfortunately he moved to Chicago so I haven't played for a year or two but you'll have fun.
 
I don't care how easy the hole is, any time you can make birdie on 18 at a course that hosts a PGA tour event it makes you feel good, and the post-round beer taste that much better!
 

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Yeah I'm going with my dad who is 63 (but a 16 handicap...and someone who basically has one arm because he was shot as a kid,) and a short hitter, my brother who bombs it but will be lucky to break 85 on any day and one of the assistant pros at my club.  I think we'll play from the golds, which is 6800.  6400 just seems like a waste of playing such a cool course.
 

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I had 86, which wasn't half bad on that course when it was 96 degrees out.
 
The facilities are immaculate.  My private course has one of the better locker rooms in the state (leather couches, recliners, big screen tv, pool table) and theirs puts it to shame.  Big swinging saloon doors, marble floors, poker tables...really sharp.
 
The course itself was in incredible shape.  The tees are sand based and very soft, but the fairways and greens may be the hardest I've ever played on.  I played my stinger a few times and got 40-50 yards of roll (normally 20-30 on my course).  I didn't juice any of my shots back, most hit and rolled out 5 yards or so...even the wedges.  Putting was a dream.  Putting is the best part of my game...usually my putts die into the hole, and on these greens it worked perfectly.  Not sure what they were running but the assistant pro said they had their member/member there yesterday so they were probably at a 12 or 13.  Sick.
 
On a few holes we went back to the tips to see how they play them.  There was one hole...13 maybe?  Its a 480 yard par 4, with a 260 yard CARRY over the hazard...WTF!?  and this is one of the easier courses on tour...
 

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Just put in my OOB group request. I've got a feeling I'll be bringing up the back of the pack score-wise. I generally only play 9 hole rounds with an occasional full 18 and score 50-52 most days.
 
Carded a 51 at Montpelier Elks CC in VT last night. Hit 1 FW and 1 GIR. Can't seem to straighten out my driver yips lately although I've never been real accurate. No rhyme or reason to my misses. Half will be left of the fairway and half will be right. In this round, the only fairway I hit was a dogleg right that I happened to hook the ball into. Luckily I started out far enough left that I didn't drop it in the woods. My one drive that went straight was on the 9th and it went through the fairway. I probably shouldn't have hit driver there but I did anyway.
 

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Shot 96 at Black Swan last week.  Going out there again today, but will be playing on almost no sleep, so breaking 100 is unlikely.
 

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Shot an 83 last Thursday with a 39 on the back (one putt lipped out).  I am putting the ball extremely well from inside 10 feet and it is really making everything click.  It's amazing how much better my short game has become when I feel like I just need to put it within 15 feet to get up and down.  Also shot an 89 on Saturday with 2 drives put out of bounds (one on each side).  My member guest is this weekend.  Hopefully I can keep it going.
 

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I'm playing Duxbury Yacht Club on Friday. I played there once when I was in high school in 1993, but it could not have been pretty as it was the only real course I played from age 0-34. It looks like a good course.
 

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Anyone here played Granite Links? I have a tee time there Sunday morning (my dad knows a member and got us on then) and am really looking forward to playing it. I don't expect to score well but it's supposed to be a nice day so it'll be fun regardless. Just curious what I'm getting myself into.

I've cured the shanks, thankfully. But still can't put my game together, it's frustrating. Struck the ball well last Monday during league play, but had 2 stupid shots into water (leading to triples both times) and multiple missed putts that just pissed strokes away. I feel like I'm never going to take that next step, at least not this summer.
 

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I'm playing Victoria National next month. This will be the 5th of the Golf Digest's top 100 courses that I've played - I'm pretty excited to play it, even if it will be a brutal test of golf.
 
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I played this yesterday and I have no words to describe it. It's like no other course I've ever played. It is absolutely phenomenal and is probably the best course I've ever played. It is currently ranked #47 on the top 50 list, but it's only 15 years old and I expect it will move up that list and rightfully so. I've played a few other courses higher on that list and this course was better.
 
The layout, condition, practice facility, service - everything was top notch. It got to the point where I was getting sick of saying "WOW" as I stepped up to every tee box. I played this course for a tournament and we played it from 6400 yards because it was so tough (I play in a 4-7 handicap flight). I will definitely be going back to try and play this from the tips and will be going back next year for the tournament again.
 
This is a hidden gem. If any of you ever have a chance to play it, please do yourself a favor and go. What an absolute pleasure.
 

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The Four Peters said:
Anyone here played Granite Links? I have a tee time there Sunday morning (my dad knows a member and got us on then) and am really looking forward to playing it. I don't expect to score well but it's supposed to be a nice day so it'll be fun regardless. Just curious what I'm getting myself into.

I've cured the shanks, thankfully. But still can't put my game together, it's frustrating. Struck the ball well last Monday during league play, but had 2 stupid shots into water (leading to triples both times) and multiple missed putts that just pissed strokes away. I feel like I'm never going to take that next step, at least not this summer.
 
I've played there several times and it is great. Maybe my favorite course that I've played. The views are spectacular and it is hard but not impossible. I have a similar game to you it sounds like and I had a good time there. There are some really really long carries off the tee, even from the forward tees, but there are plenty of easier straight forward holes to make up for it.
 
I've been having the same issues you have - hitting the ball well but too many stupid things leading to high scores. I guess it'll just take practice.
 

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Thanks. I'm ok with long carries off the tee, thankfully distance isn't a problem for me. And I can't say that my game is always like that, it's run the full range of issues this year. Had a round where I chunked pretty much every iron shot, a few others where I got horrific shanks (like, embarrassing and was afraid I might hurt someone), another where I hit great iron shots and couldn't get off the tee, others where I hit it well all around and then had a horrible short game, etc. It's been an absolutely infuriating and discouraging summer, especially since I was so excited coming into it and felt my swing was better than ever.
 

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It is a spectacular course.  However, it consists of three 9s.  The last one to be built is shorter than the other two and not as good.  They must have run out of land.  (They were originally planning to build 36 holes, but wetlands issues prevented it.)  Even that shorter 9 is good, it's just not great.
 
On some holes there are hidden hazards in the form of quarry pits that have been filled with water.  Make sure you know where they are before you line up your shot.  You won't see them.
 

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Any of you clowns play Cross Creek here in suburban DC today and have the "B" logo tattooed on your leg?

If so my old man and I were the twosome behind you. You've got a decent swing and a solid short game from what we could see.
 

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Played yesterday and the first 9 was my best 9 ever--a legit 43, and I had birdie putts on 4 holes. So, needless to say, I can't putt for shit. I've read articles and whatnot, but nothing really works for me. Anyone have quick and easy tips--from reading a green, to mental things, anything at all, that can help on putting?
 
Other parts of my game--I'm pretty long off the tee if I want to be, but I have a rather consistent slice. Consistent enough that I can manage it sometimes, but then it disappears completely randomly and my shots are way left. So, I've dialed back my swing just a bit...lose some distance, but a bt straighter, which is an easy trade-off. I'm decent with my short irons, but can be haphazard about club selection. I need to get out to the range and just dial in my distances. I don't quite play enough where that made a lot of sense to me, but after playing pretty well (relatively) yesterday, maybe that's something I should do and shave a few more strokes.
 

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Played yesterday and the first 9 was my best 9 ever--a legit 43, and I had birdie putts on 4 holes. So, needless to say, I can't putt for shit. I've read articles and whatnot, but nothing really works for me. Anyone have quick and easy tips--from reading a green, to mental things, anything at all, that can help on putting?
 
Other parts of my game--I'm pretty long off the tee if I want to be, but I have a rather consistent slice. Consistent enough that I can manage it sometimes, but then it disappears completely randomly and my shots are way left. So, I've dialed back my swing just a bit...lose some distance, but a bt straighter, which is an easy trade-off. I'm decent with my short irons, but can be haphazard about club selection. I need to get out to the range and just dial in my distances. I don't quite play enough where that made a lot of sense to me, but after playing pretty well (relatively) yesterday, maybe that's something I should do and shave a few more strokes.
The putting - it's almost counter to the way many people go (with the longer putters) but i started choking down on my putter, it keeps everything in line and my wrists don't "break" like they tended to do when i'd grip it at the top. It improved my putting dramatically...
 

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Any of you clowns play Cross Creek here in suburban DC today and have the "B" logo tattooed on your leg?

If so my old man and I were the twosome behind you. You've got a decent swing and a solid short game from what we could see.
 
It wasn't me, but I'm looking for a course to play Monday and that place is pretty close to where I live.  Is it in decent shape, mascho?
 

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It wasn't me, but I'm looking for a course to play Monday and that place is pretty close to where I live. Is it in decent shape, mascho?


Decent, but for one of the holes which is under construction. It plays as a "Par 3," but you chip from a may about 20 yards from the green.

Also, I have played there many times. If you go, know it is narrow and short, bring extra balls and plan on managing the course. You will need driver only a few times.
 

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79-78, fifth gross, first net going into the final round. Zero birdies, six three-putts.