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Someone talk to me about fat putter grips.  I played with a buddies Saturday and came away with the impression that the large majority of amateurs should be playing with one.
 
Takes the hands out of it without any changes to the stroke.  I love it.  Probably about to throw one on the Scotty.
 

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SouthernBoSox said:
Someone talk to me about fat putter grips.  I played with a buddies Saturday and came away with the impression that the large majority of amateurs should be playing with one.
 
Takes the hands out of it without any changes to the stroke.  I love it.  Probably about to throw one on the Scotty.
 
I'm not a fan of the huge grips, but I threw a midsize black winn on my scotty last year.  It's much more difficult to hit putts off-line and definitely gives me one less thing to think about over a putt. 
 

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I've had a fat putter grip for over a decade.
 
If you want to take a baby step, get the Golf Pride Jumbo Crown.  The Winn grips are good, have used the AVS and just picked up some new Jumbo one.  I would think about firmness, they tend to be a little on the squishy side.
 

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This is awesome info for me. My buddy in NC has the fat grip on his putter and i tried it last year when i was down there. I generally liked it but he's got a 2-ball putter and mine is a blade so the weight felt completely different. I wasn't sure how much of a difference the grip made since i was using a totally different style putter
 

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Well I just ordered the fatso limited edition.
 
It's an american flag.  I had to do it.
 

That fat bastard on the far left.  How can you say no to that?
 

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Well, had our semifinal match today in the fourball.
 
We were 3 down after 8 holes.  And then I had the best 6 hole stretch of golf in my life (at least in a setting as competitive as this).
 
Hit a good drive on 9, and tugged my pitching wedge left leaving it in the rough just short of the green.  Got it out clean to about 5 feet, and made the par putt.  Halved the hole.
 
I hit a pitching wedge from 120 yards out on my 3rd shot on the par 5 10th to 5 feet, made birdie putt.  Halved the hole.
 
11th, 195 yard par 3, hit into left rough, and made a good, delicate chip to about 8 feet, made the putt.  Halved the hole.
 
12th, Made a fantastic shot out of the greenside bunker to 6 inches for a sandy par.  Halved the hole.
 
13th, 480 yard par 4, getting a shot, so I played it conservatively and hit a 5 iron that I knew would end up short.  Hit a wedge to about 8 feet and made the par putt.  Won the hole.
 
14th, 560 yard par 5, good drive, good 5-wood, good wedge, 2 putt, par, net birdie.  Won the hole. 1 down at this point.
 
I blew it OB on the par 3 15th from 193, but my partner made par and we halved. 
 
Short par 4 16th, front pin tucked just over the bunker.  I put it in the bunker, and hit a good shot out to 1 foot to save par.  Opponent makes a 15 footer from above the hole to halve, and that was the dagger.
 
Par 4 17th, I'm the only one getting a shot, and I drop kick the drive, so I have to lay up short of a creek in front of the green.  Leave myself right where I wanted to be, 90 yards out, to play my 60 degree wedge.  Figure I'll give myself a putt at par, and if not, force opponents to make a par and halve the hole.  They both hit the green, but had about 30 feet, so birdie was unlikely.  I proceed to skull the fucking thing.  First bad swing I've made with that wedge in a month. My partner made bogey and that was that.  Lost 2 and 1.
 
I'm a 13 and I shot 81.  My partner (a 5) shot 85, and our opponents who were a 3 and a 5, shot 76, 78.  I couldn't help but feel good because of how I played and the comeback we made, but damn, it'll be tough to sleep for a couple nights after that last shot on 17.  If we go to 18, I'm the only one getting a shot there and maybe I could have tied it up, and took it into a sudden death playoff, where both my partner and I were getting a stroke on #1.  Most fun I've had playing sports in years. 
 
Gonna play a match tomorrow, and then have another couple of tournaments between now and the next major (3 day Fourth of July member/member). 
 

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Yeah, he had a rough day, but he played great in last week's match, so that's the way it goes.  We got off to a really bad start.  We both 3 putted on 1, where we were both getting shots and took a halve, and then he was OB on number 2, which is one of the easiest holes on the course.  I made bogey after hitting an 8 iron into a green side bunker.  Opponents also made bogey and then on 3, we both went OB and gave that one away, and I was getting a shot there.  Instead of being at least 2 up like we should have been, we finished the third hole at 1 down.  It's golf though.  Easy to say I fucked this up and fucked that up, probably evened itself out later on with some of the up and downs I made. But, what a great couple weeks of golf. Lots of spectators around which really ratchets things up a bit. 
 

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I fired a 40 over 9 holes yesterday on a pretty shabby course, with crown greens, dead patches of grass, and trampoline like effects if you tried to stick an approach shot.  The big difference for me yesterday was my game from the tees and nailing some pretty long putts with regularity.  I usually hit a point every year where I really start pounding the ball off the tee, but it never stays with me for long.  I'll try to get a video of my current swing so I can go back and review what I'm doing correctly when things fall apart mid-july
 

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Help me oh golf wise ones. My wedge play has been horrific this year. I got a Rocketballz driver to start the year and have been crushing. This is leaving me with a lot of second shots inside 120. If I can't take a full wedge shot, I keep flying everything way right. Im either leaving the face way open or striking with the heel/hozel. Any thoughts. I think part of the problem is I can't figure out an appropriate address with the shorter clubs, either too close or too far from the ball, and the other part is taking a correct half backswing.
 

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You have no problems with full swing wedges thought right?  I'd guess that you're decelerating because you're trying not to hit the ball as hard as normal.  Decelerating is the devil.  You really don't need to change your address to hit a shot inside 120.  If we're talking inside 70 then there can be some technique changes but from 110 you should be looking at full swing or near full swings.  To control 5-10 yd gaps it's easier for most players to simply choke up on the club and take the same full swing as normal.
 
The only reason to change your stance is if you're trying to hit open faced shots to put the ball in the air and that change is about setting up with the hips already cleared (okay, you could be trying low punches and cuts too but it doesn't sound like it).  If that's the case the setup is very similar to a greenside bunker and I'd make sure to practice it at the range.  I'd also make sure you have wedges with plenty of bounce.
 

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Got invited to play the "US Open Preview" at Chambers Bay in Tacoma, WA on Sunday, where the event is being held in two years.  7,500 yards, tucked pins.  Limited to single-digit handicappers because of the difficulty. 
 
Hoping to break 95.
 

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Thanks for the thoughts jercra. In not having any issues around the greens with pitching or full wedge shots over 100, it's mainly in the 50-75 range. I've lost my confidence in what to play in those ranges. Last week I was playing long bump and runs, but some spots required a high ball flight to say carry a green side bunker. But if I tried to hit a high wedge with "half a swing" 60 yards, it kept flying way right of the green
 

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Bongorific said:
Thanks for the thoughts jercra. In not having any issues around the greens with pitching or full wedge shots over 100, it's mainly in the 50-75 range. I've lost my confidence in what to play in those ranges. Last week I was playing long bump and runs, but some spots required a high ball flight to say carry a green side bunker. But if I tried to hit a high wedge with "half a swing" 60 yards, it kept flying way right of the green
 
Disclaimer: I'm a less technical player than most ("homegrown" swing, not many lessons) so I rely heavily on feel.
 
But it seems to me that your wedge issues could be fixed with a few buckets at the range.  I was having trouble with my wedge game in college (110 yds or so and in) and my coach wouldn't let me leave practice until I'd hit an entire bucket of balls to the target about 100 yards away.  Sounds like your trouble is shorter shots, so if you could try and find a range with either a green/flag at 60 yds or so, or sneak out onto the course and hit some real shots from that distance, I think you'd find you're able to work out the issues pretty quickly.  Sorry if this isn't the best advice, but I've always found that practice is the key to success with these types of shots.
 

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Freddy Linn said:
Got invited to play the "US Open Preview" at Chambers Bay in Tacoma, WA on Sunday, where the event is being held in two years.  7,500 yards, tucked pins.  Limited to single-digit handicappers because of the difficulty. 
 
Hoping to break 95.
Have fun.  I've played there twice.  It's a bitch.  Very long and you have basically 2 options: hit the fairway, lost ball.  The greens are crazy too.  I thought Old Mac had crazy greens until I played Chambers the first time.  The USGA totally redid a few of the greens and took over the groundskeeping right before I played my second round there so hopefully for you there will be grass instead of green dirt on the greens.  If the wind is up you're basically doomed.  You'll play 480yd par 4's into a 30mph wind.
 

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Help me oh golf wise ones. My wedge play has been horrific this year. I got a Rocketballz driver to start the year and have been crushing. This is leaving me with a lot of second shots inside 120. If I can't take a full wedge shot, I keep flying everything way right. Im either leaving the face way open or striking with the heel/hozel. Any thoughts. I think part of the problem is I can't figure out an appropriate address with the shorter clubs, either too close or too far from the ball, and the other part is taking a correct half backswing.
 
Like jecera said, decelerating can really mess up your wedge game.  If I hit my new 52 degree wedge, there are while curls of plastic left on the face of the club because I'm striking the ball so firmly.  That's the approach you should take if you want the proper distance and control with your wedges.
 
You may be unknowingly trying to hit a flop shot with your wedges, which can be really tough to properly execute, and can also leave you pushing your shots to the right on account of the open face.  Hit your wedges just like you hit your short irons.  Don't worry about the half-backswing, just attack the ball as you normally would with your 9 iron.  I use golf balls to determine the proper set-up for new clubs.  For instance, the set-up for my 9 iron is a 3/4 ball width deeper into my stance, and a half ball width closer to my body than my 8 iron.  For every club length you are dropping, set the ball 3/4 of a ball width deeper into your stance, and 1/2 a ball width closer to your body.  So, the difference between a 7 iron and a 9 iron would be 1/5 ball widths deeper and 1 ball width closer to your body.  Use your pitching wedge placement as a reference point for your 50 degree wedge and make a 3/4 back and 1/2 in adjustment.
 

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Like jecera said, decelerating can really mess up your wedge game.  If I hit my new 52 degree wedge, there are while curls of plastic left on the face of the club because I'm striking the ball so firmly.  That's the approach you should take if you want the proper distance and control with your wedges.
 
You may be unknowingly trying to hit a flop shot with your wedges, which can be really tough to properly execute, and can also leave you pushing your shots to the right on account of the open face.  Hit your wedges just like you hit your short irons.  Don't worry about the half-backswing, just attack the ball as you normally would with your 9 iron.  I use golf balls to determine the proper set-up for new clubs.  For instance, the set-up for my 9 iron is a 3/4 ball width deeper into my stance, and a half ball width closer to my body than my 8 iron.  For every club length you are dropping, set the ball 3/4 of a ball width deeper into your stance, and 1/2 a ball width closer to your body.  So, the difference between a 7 iron and a 9 iron would be 1/5 ball widths deeper and 1 ball width closer to your body.  Use your pitching wedge placement as a reference point for your 50 degree wedge and make a 3/4 back and 1/2 in adjustment.
Set up wise I think people have gone away from this strategy. I line up the ball about 2 balls in front my left heel for every single club. My stance is wider for long clubs, but that about all I change at address.

I find people really play the ball back to far to often. I don't see any sort of swing advantage from placing a ball right of center in a golf stance.

But to each his own. My grandfather always taught me as you described below. Back it up with every descending club, but that just doesn't work for me.
 

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Thanks for the thoughts. I'm playing at Saratoga National this weekend and plan on showing up well before my tee time to hit wedges at the range.
 

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That looks like a "sucker" course. Tee shots look doable, approach shots look very doable. Next thing you know you've lost 11 balls and question the game of golf.

Looks great. Ready for a report.
 

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Bongorific said:
Help me oh golf wise ones. My wedge play has been horrific this year. I got a Rocketballz driver to start the year and have been crushing. This is leaving me with a lot of second shots inside 120. If I can't take a full wedge shot, I keep flying everything way right. Im either leaving the face way open or striking with the heel/hozel. Any thoughts. I think part of the problem is I can't figure out an appropriate address with the shorter clubs, either too close or too far from the ball, and the other part is taking a correct half backswing.
Have you given any thoughts to using Dave Pelz's 4 x 3 wedge system. It's outlined is his Short Game Bible and is described in this PDF. http://www.breakparblueprint.com/clockface2.pdf

Some people think its too mechanical but I find it works rather well for shots 100 yards or less.
 

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Anybody here ever played Widow's Walk in Scituate? I'm playing there Sunday and from the looks of it and the reviews, I could either shoot 70 or 90 easily. Any insider tips?
 

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Anybody here ever played Widow's Walk in Scituate? I'm playing there Sunday and from the looks of it and the reviews, I could either shoot 70 or 90 easily. Any insider tips?
Never played but a good friend has played there a bit.  He says he loses a ton of balls but mostly because he gets baited into using driver on holes that require more accuracy off the tee
 

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I played there years ago.   There are a few very nice holes but mostly it is too narrow and penal.  Plan on playing conservatively, using lots of irons.
 

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Got invited to play the "US Open Preview" at Chambers Bay in Tacoma, WA on Sunday, where the event is being held in two years.  7,500 yards, tucked pins.  Limited to single-digit handicappers because of the difficulty. 
 
Hoping to break 95.
 
 
Final setup for Chambers is at 7,672 yards.  And it is going to rain.
 

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Anybody here ever played Widow's Walk in Scituate? I'm playing there Sunday and from the looks of it and the reviews, I could either shoot 70 or 90 easily. Any insider tips?
 I'm a pass holder at the 'Walk, and a 19 there, there are a bunch of hole you can rear back and fire the driver (1,4,6,9,10,13,15,18). Hopefully you are playing with someone who has played it before, i'll hit 3/5/hybrid on 3,5,8,12,16, you'll know why when you get there, but if you hit your driver straight, and depending on the wind you can use it on 3 & 16
 
for people who played it when it opened, 15 years ago, it was a beast, the fairways were really narrow and if you rolled off them you were looking at Open rough. Its been cut back and much more playable..course has never been in better shape, greens are quick..
 
post round, it has a friendly bar from where I just came from, and a porch over looking the North River, if you go down the harbor, the deck at TK O'Malleys is a great place to grab a brew or 6
 
let em know what you think
 

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Shot 81 at widows walk today. 5 doubles, 4 birdies. Course is really severely punishing if you stray off target by only a few feet. I birdied 3 of the 5 par 5s but doubled the other 2. Wind was whipping on the back, 2 of the par 3s were barely playable. Overall the course was in excellent shape and $49 with a cart is a great deal. Not my favorite style of course, a little too much target golf for my liking but it was a good challenge.
 

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If its the Pawtucket Country Club in Rhode Island I have.  Its not bad.  Its an old club and you can tell they were tight on space.  The road going into the club crosses a few fairways, no range, etc...
 
 
Why would you be going there?  If you're up in RI and wanting to play, PM me...I'll just take you to my place.
 

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Zomp said:
If its the Pawtucket Country Club in Rhode Island I have.  Its not bad.  Its an old club and you can tell they were tight on space.  The road going into the club crosses a few fairways, no range, etc...
 
 
Why would you be going there?  If you're up in RI and wanting to play, PM me...I'll just take you to my place.
Not sure when you played but I caddied there as a kid and have played a number of times with my grandfather and, while tight, there is no road crossing a fairway ( at least that's how I read your comment). Also, there is a range, not a huge one but it's there
 

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Zomp said:
If its the Pawtucket Country Club in Rhode Island I have.  Its not bad.  Its an old club and you can tell they were tight on space.  The road going into the club crosses a few fairways, no range, etc...
 
 
Why would you be going there?  If you're up in RI and wanting to play, PM me...I'll just take you to my place.
The reciprocate with my club - I'm trying to setup an upcoming round. I'll definitely take you up on that at some point and likewise, the invitation is open if you're ever in Columbus (I'll also apologize thoroughly for you having  to be here).
 

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Zomp said:
If its the Pawtucket Country Club in Rhode Island I have.  Its not bad.  Its an old club and you can tell they were tight on space.  The road going into the club crosses a few fairways, no range, etc...
 
 
Why would you be going there?  If you're up in RI and wanting to play, PM me...I'll just take you to my place.
Pawtucket CC is an excellent course. Well-conditioned, great putting surfaces. It is still one of the top private courses in RI, even if its membership has aged and thinned out over the years. The road empties into a parking lot! There is a driving range. Not sure what you're talking about, Zomp.
 

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Has anybody ever played Spring Valley Country Club or Pawtucket Country Club, if so, how are they?
I played Spring Valley CC last year.  "Ordinary" is the word that comes to mind.  It's kept in decent shape, but there is nothing special about the layout.
 

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Final setup for Chambers is at 7,672 yards.  And it is going to rain.
 
Yardage/Par
 
559/5
404/4
208/3
568/5
490/4
505/4
508/4
610/5
227/3
4,079/37
 
436/4
500/4
246/4
534/4
521/4
172/3
425/4
218/3
541/5
3593/35
 
 
Course rating: 76.8
Slope: 142
 
Handicap: 6.0
Score: 96, with two four-putts.
 
 
Talked to one of the folks there, and they are preparing for the '15 US Open to be set up at 7,940 yards, par 70.
 

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Those are absolutely ridiculous numbers. Congratulations on breaking 100. 
 

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Yardage/Par
 
559/5
404/4
208/3
568/5
490/4
505/4
508/4
610/5
227/3
4,079/37
 
436/4
500/4
246/4
534/4
521/4
172/3
425/4
218/3
541/5
3593/35
 
 
Course rating: 76.8
Slope: 142
 
Handicap: 6.0
Score: 96, with two four-putts.
 
 
Talked to one of the folks there, and they are preparing for the '15 US Open to be set up at 7,940 yards, par 70.
Man. That's a lot of >500 yard par 4's. Was the slope helping you out any there? That's a long layout for the tour. You don't have to tackle many 500 yard par 4's in amateur land.
 

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Final setup for Chambers is at 7,672 yards. And it is going to rain.


Talked to one of the folks there, and they are preparing for the '15 US Open to be set up at 7,940 yards, par 70.

7940 yards par 70 isn't even real life.
 

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So how did you like the course?  Looks like you played from the tips.  How many balls did you lose in the tall grass?  Did you like the looks of playing in an old quarry and being on the Sound?  I have lots of opinions on that course but I'd love to hear yours before I chime in.
 

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So how did you like the course?  Looks like you played from the tips.  How many balls did you lose in the tall grass?  Did you like the looks of playing in an old quarry and being on the Sound?  I have lots of opinions on that course but I'd love to hear yours before I chime in.
 
I've played it maybe five times but not in the last three years until Sunday. 
 
It wasn't quite the tips as they stand - there is a newish back tee on 18 that can take it to maybe 590, and the tee on 12 (the driveable par 4) was up maybe 10 yards.  You can see where another back tee for 1 and 10 could get the course over 7,900.
 
Fescue was cut to a modest height - they chopped it to get it to fill in thicker, so I think they are going to let it go from here.  Played with one ball.  The greenside bunker sand is really powdery, so there were plugged lies, and I had footprint/rock issues in some of the massive bunkers that feel more like waste areas.
 
Every lie is tight, and I still feel like the turf hasn't settled in.  Greens in general are much better than they were, firm, but there are still poa issues.  There are a ton of elephants buried in those greens.
 
Since you know the course - the 7th green is so much slower than any other, like a 7 versus 10 (hello, four-putt).  The seventh was 255 to reach the fairway (the front pin location is going to be great to watch, like 9 at Augusta), 14 was a forced carry of maybe 270 over the ravine, albeit downhill.  15 is an easier shot from the tips because of the angle.  The pin on 16 was all the way back in that neck - maybe 20 feet wide - forcing any pin-high shot left in the sand to be played back toward the tee/front of the green.
 
I like the course because the holes are varied and interesting, and the fairways are decently generous.  The views are amazing, and there are so many great vantagepoints for spectators.  I am definitely going in '15.
 
I think the pros are going to complain all day about the greens.
 

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FL4WL3SS said:
Has anybody ever played Spring Valley Country Club or Pawtucket Country Club, if so, how are they?
I haven't played Pawtucket this year but drive by it every day. Pawtucket is in great shape due to the heavy rain this past month. Most courses are, thanks to the rain. PCC's greens are fast, though not as fast as Wannamoisett or R.I. CC. Pawtucket plays to around 6,500 yards, and is a par 69. Still a private course though the membership has fallen in recent years due to economy and age.
 
Here's a link: 
 
http://www.pawtucketcountryclub.com/Golf-(1)/Pawtucket-Country-Club.aspx
 

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The tight lies never bothered me since I used to play Bandon multiple times a year but man I hate those greens and I hate the "miss the fairway, lose your ball" aspect of the course.  But man, those greens just suck.  I know the USGA took over all greens keeping last year and that the new POA cure that worked at Bandon takes 2 years to take effect so maybe they'll be better by 15.  The long carries and stupid greens must scare the crap out of high handicappers and short-knockers alike but even big hitters get screwed by those greens.  Seriously, fuck those greens.  In the Open I bet there's going to be a bunch of 4 putts and a bunch of people who putt into bunkers and off of greens.  I bet the pros hate it as much as I do.
 

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inJacobyWeTrust said:
Shot 81 at widows walk today. 5 doubles, 4 birdies. Course is really severely punishing if you stray off target by only a few feet. I birdied 3 of the 5 par 5s but doubled the other 2. Wind was whipping on the back, 2 of the par 3s were barely playable. Overall the course was in excellent shape and $49 with a cart is a great deal. Not my favorite style of course, a little too much target golf for my liking but it was a good challenge.
 sounds like you did ok, and as you said if the wind is whipping into you, 14 the par 3 along  the road goes from a 6/7 for me to a hybrid in nothing fllat
 

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 sounds like you did ok, and as you said if the wind is whipping into you, 14 the par 3 along  the road goes from a 6/7 for me to a hybrid in nothing fllat
 
Sadly it was probably the best I've played all summer.  And 14 was a bear, I piped a 3 iron and came up 30 yards short.  Then the exact opposite on 16/17? the other par 3.  It was so hard downwind I laid back on whatever I hit (I forget now) and it still flew the green into the shit in back.  Not a track to be taken lightly, especially when the wind is up.
 

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Anyone here still using OOB to track their scores/handicap? I actually really like it, been using it on my phone during my rounds to track scores (rather than have to write down club off the tee, fairway hit, putts, etc on the card itself). It's also interesting to see how my scores are trending and what happens in different situations. Unfortunately, all this information hasn't done much to help my game.
 
Been playing quite a bit this summer. Have a weekly golf league at Marlborough CC (pretty difficult course) that has seen me play better each week, regardless of actual scoring. Played some other new courses around here like Shining Rock (loved it), Maplegate (liked it better than expected), and New England Country Club (meh). Also heading down the Cape tonight with plans to play Brookside in Bourne (like it a lot), Bay Pointe in Onset (meh course but a shitload of fun to play a relaxed round with friends), and then Little Harbor in Wareham (crappy par 3 course with two par 4s) for a two man scramble tournament. I have a hunch that the golf will be secondary during the Little Harbor round.
 
I can't wait to kick FL4WL3SS's ass at Brookside and Bay Pointe though.
 

jercra

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The Four Peters said:
Anyone here still using OOB to track their scores/handicap? I actually really like it, been using it on my phone during my rounds to track scores (rather than have to write down club off the tee, fairway hit, putts, etc on the card itself). It's also interesting to see how my scores are trending and what happens in different situations. Unfortunately, all this information hasn't done much to help my game.
I'm still using it (And I get updates on all of your scores too.  Man, you need to hit some GIR!!).  I love it.  My problem is that I'm usually playing after work and have a 1/4 battery left over so I can't use it every round.  I love the stat tracking and watching my friend's scores.