2013 49ers: Driven to drink
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Wow that sucks. That really, really, sucks. Ughh now i'm in shock.
Wow that sucks. That really, really, sucks. Ughh now i'm in shock.
Minus Crabtree, plus Mangini.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/06/01/49ers-hire-eric-mangini-as-a-consultant/
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/06/01/49ers-hire-eric-mangini-as-a-consultant/
Mangenius to be O-consultant with 49ers
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9332085/eric-mangini-join-san-francisco-49ers-senior-offensive-consultant
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9332085/eric-mangini-join-san-francisco-49ers-senior-offensive-consultant
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9368321/jim-harbaugh-seattle-seahawks-ped-suspensions-play-rules
Heh, I'm not sure if he's the first coach to question the adderall excuse, but it is becoming beyond ridiculous at this point.
Cool. E and I went to high school together, I used to help him with his biology homework. He grew up just a mile or two from the Stick.
@RavensInsider: 49ers coach Jim Harbaugh announces that Eric Wright failed his physical and traded is voidedCorsi said:
I didn't catch the entire game, but it looks like Boldin is a more than suitable replacement for the injured Crabtree. Obviously the passing game was on but the rushing attack was stifled for most of the game -- though it was nice to see Hunter break a 23 yard run.
kanga12 said:
I can't wait to see that offense with Crabtree back--hopefully in November. I don't think that they'll really need to run the read option with Crabtree, Boldin and Davis to try and cover. Good luck with that defenses.
Hunter looked really good in the preseason too - he is still super-quick.
I was a bit frustrated with some of the timeouts and the delay of game they took yesterday. They need to get that worked out before Sunday night. If they had that much trouble at home, I'm worried about how they handle it in Seattle (and they were horrible on that, along with everything else last year).
Felt to me like the Niners should have won this game by more than one score -- they out-gained Green Bay 494-385 and had a +2 turnover differential. 11 penalties was a big part of that, as were a missed field goal and two long drives that ended in field goals.
Seemed to me like Green Bay was terrified of Kaepernick scrambling, so they played a lot of zone coverage to limit his running lanes. The result was a) limited pass rush, and b) holes in the zone for Boldin to slip into. The O-line did a very poor job run-blocking (the GB defensive tackles had a strong game) but pass protection was good. Seattle will play a lot more man coverage next week and SF will have to run the ball much better. But wow, Kaepernick is a talent. His accuracy was really impressive.
On the other side, they let Rodgers get his yards, but they mostly limited big plays and GB couldn't run the ball at all. Tackling was surprisingly poor at times. The pass rush was inconsistent, Aldon Smith had two sacks but didn't do a whole lot else. Ahmad Brooks was invisible. Part of that was the 49ers rarely blitzed. Eric Reid had a good game, Asomugha not quite as much. But you're never going to shut down Rodgers.
Before the season I thought splitting the first two games was a reasonable expectation. They've already got the first one in the bag. A win next week would put them in pole position for the #1 seed.
Seemed to me like Green Bay was terrified of Kaepernick scrambling, so they played a lot of zone coverage to limit his running lanes. The result was a) limited pass rush, and b) holes in the zone for Boldin to slip into. The O-line did a very poor job run-blocking (the GB defensive tackles had a strong game) but pass protection was good. Seattle will play a lot more man coverage next week and SF will have to run the ball much better. But wow, Kaepernick is a talent. His accuracy was really impressive.
On the other side, they let Rodgers get his yards, but they mostly limited big plays and GB couldn't run the ball at all. Tackling was surprisingly poor at times. The pass rush was inconsistent, Aldon Smith had two sacks but didn't do a whole lot else. Ahmad Brooks was invisible. Part of that was the 49ers rarely blitzed. Eric Reid had a good game, Asomugha not quite as much. But you're never going to shut down Rodgers.
Before the season I thought splitting the first two games was a reasonable expectation. They've already got the first one in the bag. A win next week would put them in pole position for the #1 seed.
I like what I saw yesterday.
It's interesting thatvit was a completely different look from Kaepernick that beat the Packers this time. And while the running game was stuffed, Kaepernick could throw almost at will, against a good secondary.
It's interesting thatvit was a completely different look from Kaepernick that beat the Packers this time. And while the running game was stuffed, Kaepernick could throw almost at will, against a good secondary.
GB was missing two top secondary players (Burnett and Hayward) so I'm not convinced that the Kap/Boldin Show is something to expect each week. Seattle's D is going to be a much bigger challenge in week 2.
I think this is an underrated impact of the new breed of running QBs. The trend in the league has shifted away from zone defenses to more man coverage, but running QBs are hard to defend in man coverage. You either have to put a spy on them, taking one player away from coverage or your pass rush, or go zone. Kaepernick has the ability to carve you up either way.coremiller said:
coremiller said:
Totally agree on both of those things. I'm not used to the defense missing tackles like they did yesterday. There are a few new people out there, but that seems like something they will be working on this week.
Eric Reid really impressed me. It looked like he made a few mistakes, but nothing that suggested "NFL rookie in his first game against Aaron Rodgers"-level errors.
Even if the running game was stifled, Kaepernick started into the read option a lot, which must have frozen some defenders including his spy, Clay Mathews, a lot of the time. Guys, especially Boldin then got so open it was ridiculous. Kap also is really good at passing.trekfan55 said:
So what do we take from that game?
I thought the 49er defense had one of their best games for a while. The DBs have looked like the weak link on this defense for a while and they held up really well.
The biggest shocker to me was how badly the vaunted 49er OL got manhandled by the Seahawks' defensive front. The Niners got nothing from the conventional run game and the Seahawks got decent pressure with four rushers all game long.
Anquan Boldin was a nice offseason addition but I hope we can all recalibrate from Week 1 and understand that he's ideally the third or fourth weapon on a good offense.
Kaepernick had by far his worst game as a professional, but I'm not sure what to make of that. I think any team looking at these first two games will conclude that the Seahawks' method of attacking him - playing man to man, having a roving LB in the middle of the field to spy Kaepernick, and trying to get pressure with four - is hugely preferable to the zone catastrophe that the Packers attempted last weak. Successfully executing the Seahawks' game plan, of course, is much easier said than done. But I think a lot of teams will try variations on this going forward. Usually the problem with this approach is the spy-type player is wasted - doesn't rush but can't play much coverage - but that's less of a problem for defenses if the Niner receivers can't win individual matchups against man coverage, so that might be the key question.
I thought the 49er defense had one of their best games for a while. The DBs have looked like the weak link on this defense for a while and they held up really well.
The biggest shocker to me was how badly the vaunted 49er OL got manhandled by the Seahawks' defensive front. The Niners got nothing from the conventional run game and the Seahawks got decent pressure with four rushers all game long.
Anquan Boldin was a nice offseason addition but I hope we can all recalibrate from Week 1 and understand that he's ideally the third or fourth weapon on a good offense.
Kaepernick had by far his worst game as a professional, but I'm not sure what to make of that. I think any team looking at these first two games will conclude that the Seahawks' method of attacking him - playing man to man, having a roving LB in the middle of the field to spy Kaepernick, and trying to get pressure with four - is hugely preferable to the zone catastrophe that the Packers attempted last weak. Successfully executing the Seahawks' game plan, of course, is much easier said than done. But I think a lot of teams will try variations on this going forward. Usually the problem with this approach is the spy-type player is wasted - doesn't rush but can't play much coverage - but that's less of a problem for defenses if the Niner receivers can't win individual matchups against man coverage, so that might be the key question.
The Seahawks also had somebody that could match up both physically and athletically with Vernon Davis in Richard Sherman. In the few plays that I saw, Sherman had him on lock down and that INT he got was a thing of beauty. The rest of the Seahawks' secondary is talented and deep enough to have a player like Sherman be able to match up against anyone while still doing a good job against the rest of the WR corps. Without Crabtree, Davis and Boldin have to be heavily involved and both were made invisible.
RedOctober3829 said:
Sherman was mostly covering Boldin. And while the INT was a nice catch, the real key was that the receiver (Davis on that play) pulled his hamstring in the middle of the route and couldn't make a play on the ball.
It was certainly humbling for the offense. Maybe it was the perfect time for that type of game. I'm trying to find a silver lining.
Aldon Smith arrested for DUI.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/09/20/aldon-smith-arrested-for-suspicion-of-dui/
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/09/20/aldon-smith-arrested-for-suspicion-of-dui/
Really talented player but a history of getting in trouble and adding on to it.RedOctober3829 said:
Here's another story with details about his legal issues prior to the most recent arrest. It's kind of surprising that he hasn't been under more scrutiny given the general from the Hernandez disaster. I'm not saying that he's anything close to Hernandez, but man there are some red flags here. One of the accounts I read of the recent DUI (second link) said that he still had his foot on the accelerator when police found him passed out with his vehicle crashed into a tree. Yikes.
http://www.mercurynews.com/crime-courts/ci_24015642/49ers-aldon-smith-faces-possible-criminal-charges
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/09/20/police-witness-indicate-aldon-smith-was-very-impaired/
http://www.mercurynews.com/crime-courts/ci_24015642/49ers-aldon-smith-faces-possible-criminal-charges
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/09/20/police-witness-indicate-aldon-smith-was-very-impaired/
Harbaugh is an absolute joke for not suspending him. He pretty much said "Oh, well suspensions are up to the league, we have nothing to do with that."
Which is absolute complete fucking bullshit.
That dude is lucky to be alive and to not have killed someone else. Guys foot was on the accelerator as he was passed out? Wheels just screams as the car was pinned? This was really bad, and it's his second time to do it.
But hey, see you out there Sunday son.
Which is absolute complete fucking bullshit.
That dude is lucky to be alive and to not have killed someone else. Guys foot was on the accelerator as he was passed out? Wheels just screams as the car was pinned? This was really bad, and it's his second time to do it.
But hey, see you out there Sunday son.
One would think the league is going to have a say with this one, especially if they did a blood test and it has the pills and weed in his system (can the cops test for that on DUI suspicion in they find it in his car?). He may have trouble avoiding jail, too.
I just read RO's original link; I didn't realize he's had all those other issues. He seems like a strong candidate to be the next NFL star to have a major run-in with the law. "Smith" would be a tough name to ban from NFL jerseys, though.
I just read RO's original link; I didn't realize he's had all those other issues. He seems like a strong candidate to be the next NFL star to have a major run-in with the law. "Smith" would be a tough name to ban from NFL jerseys, though.
It's a joke how sports react to this shit. Let alone how dumb it is for people with this much money to not get a cab or a driver.
Gore seems done, but it is a surprise that the oline has seemingly dropped off.
Good job they drafted their new guy for next year
Gore seems done, but it is a surprise that the oline has seemingly dropped off.
Good job they drafted their new guy for next year
So, something is seriously wrong with this team. Kaepernick will deservedly take a lot of heat, but the receivers they are trotting out there simply aren't acceptable. No separation, and those that do manage to get a step can't catch. Thank God GB decided to let old man Boldin run open for some reason.
We're gonna need a dope to change the thread title...as Aldon Smith has gone to get treatment after today's game and will not play Thursday, per John York.
trekfan55 said:
It looks like a must-win for the Rams as well, and they gave the Niners tons of trouble last year. That should be one of the more interesting Thursday night games.
JCizzle said:
We knew starting the season that the receivers would be an issue (esp. with the loss of Crabtree) -- the 49ers brought in a carousel of receivers to try out to see if they could upgrade or add some depth. No Vernon Davis in today's game pretty much took away any sort of deep threat the 49ers passing game had to begin with.
What's most surprising to me is the offensive line play. Not sure how the stats have the 49ers o-line rated, but something seems different this season just going by the eyeball test.
The most frustrating thing are the penalties -- and for me makes me question some of the coaching and discipline of the team. Coming into today's game the 49ers led the league with 23 penalties for 220 yards...and today had another 6 penalties for 48 yards -- with much thanks to Tarell Brown.
One other thought from today's game: Even though the 49ers defense hasn't been that great (including the end of last season), the one thing their defense could do was stop the run (except if the running back's name Marshawn Lynch). Was surprised to see the Colts running over the 49ers defensive front seven like this today...