The collegiate coaching scandals are just beginning and nobody is safe. I expect others to get out of that shztstorm before their reputations (unfairly) get tarnished as well.That’s a shock. That’s a job with no upside moving forward with a terrible owner, and giving up a huge college job.
Illegal benefits to players aren’t restricted to only the best of the best. I personally know of a player who transferred to Gardner-Webb because they paid him with the thickest envelope ($10k back in the 80’s).They generally don't get 5 star recruits so I can't imagine there is a Robert Traylor/Chris Webber-esque scandal coming up the pike.
Everyone at that level is involved in shady recruiting.John Beilien is the last guy I'd expect to be involved in shady recruiting. He flirted with the Pistons recently as well so he's been looking to get into the pro game. Shocking that he'd leave though.
They have a 14% chance at Zion. This isn’t quite close to Pitino betting on Duncan, but they could land a franchise player tomorrow.That’s a shock. That’s a job with no upside moving forward with a terrible owner, and giving up a huge college job.
Didn’t he interview with an NBA team around 4-5 years ago too? It seems like this was a direction he’s always wanted to pursue. I’m more surprised an organization would invest in a 66-yr old who is new to the leagueThe reporting on this is pretty consistent - he was growing tired of the changes to the college game, and the need to constantly bring in top recruits simply didn't mesh with the way he liked to operate, which is to develop players over time. He also wanted to test himself at the top level and if he didn't do it now, it was never happening.
I loved watching Beilein's teams and am saddened that he's leaving. I wish him the best and hope they find someone who can live up to his record.
I wouldn’t even call it “shady”......it’s just how business is conducted throughout the business.Everyone at that level is involved in shady recruiting.
It's done illicitly, it's against the rules of the governing body they compete for, and it involves lying to their employers and usually committing some form of financial fraud/tax evasion.Didn’t he interview with an NBA team around 4-5 years ago too? It seems like this was a direction he’s always wanted to pursue. I’m more surprised an organization would invest in a 66-yr old who is new to the league
I wouldn’t even call it “shady”......it’s just how business is conducted throughout the business.
No. Interviewed with Pistons when Casey was ultimately offered the job after last season.Didn’t he interview with an NBA team around 4-5 years ago too? It seems like this was a direction he’s always wanted to pursue. I’m more surprised an organization would invest in a 66-yr old who is new to the league
I wouldn’t even call it “shady”......it’s just how business is conducted throughout the business.
The Mike Montgomery model. Almost identical situation.Makes sense. Take a shot on coaching in the NBA. Make some real good money. If it works, great. If not, you get paid well for 5 years and wait out the scandals and/or the changes to the system resulting from the same. If reputation remains somewhat intact, he can get another college job.
The two differences I see is that Montgomery was 56 when he left Stanford for the NBA while Beilein is 66 along with the college scandals many of which likely haven’t even hit yet. I’d be surprised if he returned to the college game at least at a high level.The Mike Montgomery model. Almost identical situation.
I get that being the cynical is your shtick. I also understand that college athletics is an inherently corrupt activity.The two differences I see is that Montgomery was 56 when he left Stanford for the NBA while Beilein is 66 along with the college scandals many of which likely haven’t even hit yet. I’d be surprised if he returned to the college game at least at a high level.
It is that outlandish to feel that this isn’t the last of these scandals that finally change the state of college athletics? You admit yourself that the game is corrupt. It isn’t nuts to feel a 70-year old wouldn’t want to return to that.I get that being the cynical is your shtick. I also understand that college athletics is an inherently corrupt activity.
That said. you have a track record of making outlandish predictions to be edgy without anything to back it up. Do better.
What is outlandish about that statement? The NCAA itself has said publicly it is looking to dig into the information transpiring from the FBI investigation - which included a bunch of college coaches talking about how much and how to pay elite recruits. The NCAA's incompetence and likely inability to prove the cases aside, it's not crazy to say that there is more public scandal coming.I get that being the cynical is your shtick. I also understand that college athletics is an inherently corrupt activity.
That said. you have a track record of making outlandish predictions to be edgy without anything to back it up. Do better.
Let me rewind - the speculation up thread was not about “the state of the college game,” it was about whether Beilein was leaving to get ahead of a scandal about to break at Michigan.It is that outlandish to feel that this isn’t the last of these scandals that finally change the state of college athletics? You admit yourself that the game is corrupt. It isn’t nuts to feel a 70-year old wouldn’t want to return to that.
If he wants another college job, the list of schools pursuing him will be a long one. Wake Forest is likely to open this year, among others.well, that was quick. wonder if he is done for good as HC at any level https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/28732883/john-beilein-cavs-head-coach-jb-bickerstaff-takes-over
Seems like the answer is "Stevens and Billy Donovan are the only success stories, and it's a long way down to 3rd place, which might be Rick Pitino".Seems like Beilein is another name on the list of successful college coaches who couldn't translate that success to the NBA. How much of a unicorn is Brad Stevens in that regard?
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I suppose that since the 20th century is ancient history, Chuck Daly doesn't get a mention.Seems like the answer is "Stevens and Billy Donovan are the only success stories, and it's a long way down to 3rd place, which might be Rick Pitino".
Larry Brown.Seems like the answer is "Stevens and Billy Donovan are the only success stories, and it's a long way down to 3rd place, which might be Rick Pitino".
Snyder’s a clear success and it’s not even close imo. He might be the best of all the recent college-to-pro guys.Larry Brown.
Arguably, Quin Snyder.
I only said “arguably” because it’s debatable whether Snyder was a good college coach.Snyder’s a clear success and it’s not even close imo. He might be the best of all the recent college-to-pro guys.
He was the first guy I thought of, and I didn't realize how long Snyder had been away from college basketball before coaching Utah. I thought he had a quick stint as an NBA assistant, but he had actually been out of the NCAA since leaving Missouri in 2006, with a bunch of NBA assistant gigs along the way. ESPN's list is limited to coaches who went straight from college head coach to NBA head coach. I would imagine that's a much tougher transition.Snyder’s a clear success and it’s not even close imo. He might be the best of all the recent college-to-pro guys.
Interesting, yeah, my memory on that was wrong as well.He was the first guy I thought of, and I didn't realize how long Snyder had been away from college basketball before coaching Utah. I thought he had a quick stint as an NBA assistant, but he had actually been out of the NCAA since leaving Missouri in 2006, with a bunch of NBA assistant gigs along the way. ESPN's list is limited to coaches who went straight from college head coach to NBA head coach. I would imagine that's a much tougher transition.
I think HRB hit the nail on the head with #2 as to why college coaches fail-they are typically getting hired by terrible teams, with terrible front offices, who are looking for some kind of miracle worker. No NBA coach from history would have made any appreciable difference with this year's Cleveland team. I cant remember who said it originally on the board, but the "shit franchises are going to be shit franchises" quote is very applicable here. The Celtics were not a shit franchise when they hired Stevens. I think Stevens is an exceptional coach, but he had the benefit of working with a good front office, who understood what needed to be done-Danny turned that roster over pretty quickly, and he did get some better players, as well as different players, which was just as important. I think Stevens' results would have been much different if he were simply brought in to try to coach up the KG/PP/Rondo group.My thoughts on the college to pro coach and why they fail:
1. College coaches primary job is to recruit talent and to construct the roster based on his system. Pro coaches do not control their personnel and may be tasked with awkward rosters to fit into his system. You have two different skillsets required here. Look no further than the last two years in Boston. Coach Brad with dysfunctional roster due to contract situations and redundancy vs. Coach Brad without dysfunctional roster due to elimination of contract situations and redundancy. His system hasn't changed but he's thought by some to be awesome this year and awful last year. Doesn't pass the smell test.
2. Pro teams looking to replace their coach are typically lottery teams looking to shake things up. The college coach now has no say in his roster or his personnel while taking over likely a bad team while often not having any experience at the pro level which is a completely different game than college. Not surprising they are often fired within a couple of years.
3. Quin Snyder wasn't a college to pro coach. He spent 3 years working up the NBA Assistant ranks after leaving Missouri in less than a blaze of glory (cheerleader rumors, cocaine rumors, etc) prior to taking over a young up-and-coming Jazz team with Hayward, Gobert, Favors, Ingles, etc.
Daly was a Sixers assistant before he got the Pistons gig.I suppose that since the 20th century is ancient history, Chuck Daly doesn't get a mention.
Not to go off topic but I think the suggestion that Stevens was in any way helped by Ainge’s roster construction those first few years is false and does a disservice to how good a job he did with those rosters.I think Stevens is an exceptional coach, but he had the benefit of working with a good front office, who understood what needed to be done-Danny turned that roster over pretty quickly, and he did get some better players, as well as different players, which was just as important. I think Stevens' results would have been much different if he were simply brought in to try to coach up the KG/PP/Rondo group.
Wow, that’s awful if true. That’s almost the same as turning down multiple late firsts for Love, since that’s what you could get by by being a salary-dumping destination in the summer.Can't remember where I heard it, but apparently POR offered expiring contracts for Kevin Love and CLE turned it down. Would have jumped all over that if I am CLE
Heck 8 weeks ago, some poster wanted to offer Hayward + Theis + filler + picks for Love/TT.Can't remember where I heard it, but apparently POR offered expiring contracts for Kevin Love and CLE turned it down. Would have jumped all over that if I am CLE
I actually feel badly for Cleveland fans because that organization is clearly out of touch with reality. The extension was widely criticized and he basically seems to have stopped trying this season as well, so they may have to give up value if they ever want to move him. They've handled this about as badly as they could. It's a shame they couldn't have been slightly smarter, because an engaged Love might have helped push Portland past Memphis in the standings.Can't remember where I heard it, but apparently POR offered expiring contracts for Kevin Love and CLE turned it down. Would have jumped all over that if I am CLE