HA! Folks. The Todd Bowles led Bucs are a complete mess. Bowles may be a fine DC, but he is an awful coach. There will be a major house cleaning operation once the season is over at One Buc.Carolina is probably second-worst. Then Pats #3
HA! Folks. The Todd Bowles led Bucs are a complete mess. Bowles may be a fine DC, but he is an awful coach. There will be a major house cleaning operation once the season is over at One Buc.Carolina is probably second-worst. Then Pats #3
I think the Patriots can get there faster if they just move on from the BB era and start fresh. The Red Sox have zero plan.I’ve been making that comparison for weeks. They’re in similar spots. Lack of elite talent. No real clear plan. I would have voted Pats prior to today. Now I’m on the fence.
I know completely what you’re getting at. Something bad happened and you’re overreacting because you need your pound of flesh so you’re coming up with made up reasoning to extract it.Ok so why is the coaching staff fine with having players on the field panic? Do you see what I’m getting at here? If Meyers is that prone to losing his goddamn mind over a lateral, why is he being trusted to get playing time?
Look, generally I’ve liked Meyers on the team and he’s made some nice plays. But I can’t just handwave such an egregiously moronic decision like that away. I’m very firmly of the belief that shit does not just happen, there’s a reason Meyers went off the reservation at the end of the game. He’s clearly got poor game instincts. And that’s on the coaches for not emphasizing to these guys not to play dumb hero ball.
Why do you think Jakobi is prone to this kind of mistake? Because he made it once? Was the coaching bad when he was becoming the super dependable receiver over the last several years? Or is there coaching just bad this year and that has somehow ruined him?Ok so why is the coaching staff fine with having players on the field panic? Do you see what I’m getting at here? If Meyers is that prone to losing his goddamn mind over a lateral, why is he being trusted to get playing time?
I’m sure he’s shown this in practice too.And it took four years to manifest itself?
What others? Was today not enough for you?I know completely what you’re getting at. Something bad happened and you’re overreacting because you need your pound of flesh so you’re coming up with made up reasoning to extract it.
To your “poor game instincts” what other poor game instincts have been on display over his Patriots career?
If there's a defensive penalty (e.g. face mask) when Stevenson is tackled, can't the Pats try a FG?Running a draw there is fucking stupid anyway. The odds of a crazy turnover being returned for a TD are higher than a Hail Mary and the odds of breaking a run for a score lower than a Hail Mary catch. If you don't think Mac Jones can throw a football 55 yards in the air (and Jesus fucking Christ if that's the case), then just take a knee.
Yeah, he panicked and made a colossally stupid play. So did Rham, for that matter. He’s also a #4 receiver masquerading as a #1 in this shittastic offense. That’s really the bigger problem.I know completely what you’re getting at. Something bad happened and you’re overreacting because you need your pound of flesh so you’re coming up with made up reasoning to extract it.
To your “poor game instincts” what other poor game instincts have been on display over his Patriots career? I’m hard pressed to come up with anything obvious. Quite the opposite, honestly.
I said above I’d bench him for a game at least. But it’s not going to happen because there’s no accountability on this team and that’s on BB.The idea that you cut a useful player because of a really stupid play--even one that stupid--is idiotic. Bench him for a series, a game, to games, whatever, but cut him? How does that improve the team?
OK this is silly. You’re just off the rails now.I’m sure he’s shown this in practice too.
I stand corrected.I said above I’d bench him for a game at least.
Take a breather.Anyone blaming Meyers is missing the forest for the trees. One of BBs biggest strengths has been putting players in position to succeed, not fail. This play was the opposite and BB deserves 100% of the blame. Not 99%. 100%. Let’s not forget the times he took at knee at the end of the FIRST HALF to avoid bad things happening. Not running a draw. Taking a knee.
No. That it is for you should tell you you’re overreacting. For 4 years he had good instincts and now he has bad instincts.I’m sure he’s shown this in practice too.
Nothing is unavoidable.
What others? Was today not enough for you?
Made up reasoning, nonsense. Nothing happens in a vacuum in the NFL.
Why has BB ever taken a knee in the first half instead of running a draw?Take a breather.
The coaches called a draw. The players somehow panicked into multiple laterals. That’s not putting your players in a position to fail. The Patriots have run the ball hundreds of times this year without the players throwing multiple laterals. How is 100% of the blame on the coach?
Lee Harvey Oswald?We should never judge someone by their worst day.
OJ loves this post.We should never judge someone by their worst day.
Who cares? They ran a draw. It got them 40 or so yards or if 55ish they needed. The play call was fine. Sleep it off.Why has BB ever taken a knee in the first half instead of running a draw?
Yes. Draw play was perfectly fine.If there's a defensive penalty (e.g. face mask) when Stevenson is tackled, can't the Pats try a FG?
Yes. Game can't end on a defensive penalty.If there's a defensive penalty (e.g. face mask) when Stevenson is tackled, can't the Pats try a FG?
Sleep it off? IDGAF that they lost. In fact, I’m kind of happy if it means Kraft sees the light.Who cares? They ran a draw. It got them 40 or so yards or if 55ish they needed. The play call was fine. Sleep it off.
There was an anecdote about Marlon McCree after that SD-NE playoff game back in ‘06. Shottenheimer knew that McCree was prone to losing the plot during games and doing dumb shit, had been for years. He specifically told McCree that if he got an INT, go down instead of trying a return. As we know, McCree didn’t go down and fumbled the ball right back. And while McCree is an idiot, Marty got fired in part because he kept playing a DB who would make stupid mistakes.No. That it is for you should tell you you’re overreacting. For 4 years he had good instincts and now he has bad instincts.
Fred Merkle disagrees.We should never judge someone by their worst day.
Along with Brady leaving there has been a MASSIVE brain drain from this franchise. Both coordinators, a top flight ST coordinator, and most of the position coaches. That has a gigantic impact. Plus Bill has really struggled as GM on the offensive side of the ball.I'm really just struggling to understand how coaching can drop off a cliff. It just doesn't make sense to me. I realize some of the all-time greats had less success late in their careers, but did they become worse coaches, or just lose their star QBs or other HoF players? Coaches coach and players play, so I'm perfectly fine with the latter being the reasoning, but that's not the standard BB is being held to. He's being called the GOAT, his standard is he's better than all of them so surely he can do better than the all-time greats when he loses his star QB?
This team is every dumb team in the NFL we've laughed at for 20 years and it baffles me.
If you think it will be a continued problem, yes. If you think it was a one off freak circumstance for a player that’s normally of sound mind, there are other means if punishment that can be handled internally beyond a full game suspension.There was an anecdote about Marlon McCree after that SD-NE playoff game back in ‘06. Shottenheimer knew that McCree was prone to losing the plot during games and doing dumb shit, had been for years. He specifically told McCree that if he got an INT, go down instead of trying a return. As we know, McCree didn’t go down and fumbled the ball right back. And while McCree is an idiot, Marty got fired in part because he kept playing a DB who would make stupid mistakes.
Let’s say your take is correct, that Meyers had never shown any signs of being this stupid on the field before. But now he has. Don’t you have to address that? Don’t you have to change his playing time now? Change what situations he’s on the field too? Will BB make sure there is accountability for this? Or like all the other stupid mistakes this team has made thus year will nothing be done about it.
Stevenson had a bad fumble problem his rookie year. Good thing we cut him and don’t have him around anymore.There was an anecdote about Marlon McCree after that SD-NE playoff game back in ‘06. Shottenheimer knew that McCree was prone to losing the plot during games and doing dumb shit, had been for years. He specifically told McCree that if he got an INT, go down instead of trying a return. As we know, McCree didn’t go down and fumbled the ball right back. And while McCree is an idiot, Marty got fired in part because he kept playing a DB who would make stupid mistakes.
Let’s say your take is correct, that Meyers had never shown any signs of being this stupid on the field before. But now he has. Don’t you have to address that? Don’t you have to change his playing time now? Change what situations he’s on the field too? Will BB make sure there is accountability for this? Or like all the other stupid mistakes this team has made thus year will nothing be done about it.
You’re making my point. We benched his ass. Harris got the vast majority of the Carrie’s until Stevenson cleaned up his act.Stevenson had a bad fumble problem his rookie year. Good thing we cut him and don’t have him around anymore.
I said above I’d bench him for a game at least. But it’s not going to happen because there’s no accountability on this team and that’s on BB.
Lett and Jackson and Marshall were star players and Meyers is not. Meyers is decent but doesn’t contribute so much on the field that’s he’s unbenchable when he makes dumb mistakes.That’s not how Jimmy Johnson dealt with Leon Lett. It’s not how Andy Reid dealt with DeSean Jackson. Going back a bit further, it’s not how Norm Van Brocklin dealt with Jim Marshall. If you think it’s mandatory for someone who considers himself a leader of men to bench Meyers in these circumstances, then you’re going to need to show your work, because it certainly isn’t self-evident.
This is an absurd take. So every time Mac throws a pick, is that 100% on BB too? When a player fumbles? When a kicker misses a kick?Anyone blaming Meyers is missing the forest for the trees. One of BBs biggest strengths has been putting players in position to succeed, not fail. This play was the opposite and BB deserves 100% of the blame. Not 99%. 100%. Let’s not forget the times he took at knee at the end of the FIRST HALF to avoid bad things happening. Not running a draw. Taking a knee.
And a bloody mess those wereYou’re making my point. We benched his ass. Harris got the vast majority of the Carrie’s until Stevenson cleaned up his act.
Oh FFS. Stupid autocorrect.And a bloody mess those were
OK, so Jakobi sits next week. I’m sure that’ll teach him and he’ll never panick after getting a dumbfuck lateral from a RB ever again.You’re making my point. We benched his ass. Harris got the vast majority of the Carrie’s until Stevenson cleaned up his act.
When Mac throws a pick, the Pats are trying to move the ball and accomplish something.This is an absurd take. So every time Mac throws a pick, is that 100% on BB too? When a player fumbles? When a kicker misses a kick?
Sometimes players make mistakes and sometimes they make historically awful mistakes. I’m not saying coaching doesn’t play a factor here but to put ALL the blame on the coach is ridiculous.
Wait, didn’t the coach take crap when JR Smith dribbled out the ball because he thought they had a lead?Guys I’ll use this analogy (I used it in another thread). Do you think the Celtics coaching staff would coach their players, in a tie game with five seconds left, to take the inbounds pass and dribble the wrong way for a layup to win the game for the other team?
Do you think they’d coach them to NOT do that?
No and no. Because the very thought that a professional player would make THAT kind of mistake is absolutely incomprehensible. You KNOW that they know not to do something like that. Same thing here.
They should have played for OT. That is on the coaching staff. The play itself is on the players.Guys I’ll use this analogy (I used it in another thread). Do you think the Celtics coaching staff would coach their players, in a tie game with five seconds left, to take the inbounds pass and dribble the wrong way for a layup to win the game for the other team?
Do you think they’d coach them to NOT do that?
No and no. Because the very thought that a professional player would make THAT kind of mistake is absolutely incomprehensible. You KNOW that they know not to do something like that. Same thing here.
Like if Brogdon actually did that in a game would people be blaming Mazzulla? Or would they rightly blame Brogdon?
Of COURSE that’s 100% on Meyers (and Rhamondre actually). There’s no coach in pro football that should even need to address such a play because there is no world where a player does something THAT stupid as to defy comprehension.
That it happened is not a failure of coaching. It’s completely on the player(s) involved.
There’s plenty of criticism for the coaches to be had this game and this season, but not on that play. Not one bit.
You keep talking about “accountability” but what you actually seem to be referring to “punishment.” Meyers seemed to be fully accountable - he didn’t try to throw coaches or other players under the bus, he looked like he was well aware he made a historically awful decision.I said above I’d bench him for a game at least. But it’s not going to happen because there’s no accountability on this team and that’s on BB.
Rham lateraled the ball to a guy 12 inches from him, by the sideline. It’s nothing like what Meyers tried to do. The situations aren’t comparable.OK, so Jakobi sits next week. I’m sure that’ll teach him and he’ll never panick after getting a dumbfuck lateral from a RB ever again.
I assume you want Rham benched too? I mean he has a MUCH longer history of mistakes then Meyers.
The coach took crap more because they also had a time out which the coach could have himself called.Wait, didn’t the coach take crap when JR Smith dribbled out the ball because he thought they had a lead?
The coaches have to emphasize the situation to the players all the time. Someone on the staff should have told them “draw play, just go down.” Just a reminder.
He says he is accountable but what does that truly mean?You keep talking about “accountability” but what you actually seem to be referring to “punishment.” Meyers seemed to be fully accountable - he didn’t try to throw coaches or other players under the bus, he looked like he was well aware he made a historically awful decision.
Belichick has always been about accountability but that doesn’t always mean a player needs to be punished for a mistake.
I am using the term in regards to cleaning up mistakes, which this team has done nothing about this entire year.You keep talking about “accountability” but what you actually seem to be referring to “punishment.” Meyers seemed to be fully accountable - he didn’t try to throw coaches or other players under the bus, he looked like he was well aware he made a historically awful decision.
Belichick has always been about accountability but that doesn’t always mean a player needs to be punished for a mistake.
Jakobi ruined the season?? How about the piss poor QB play? The bad special teams play? There were a number of things that directly influenced the outcome of this game.He basically just ruined the season. I don’t know how else you could possibly label him. He said in the postgame he knew it was tied. So what the fuck did he think he was doing?
You cannot have players being that fucking stupid on the field. The coaching this year has not stopped the numerous idiotic mistakes the players have made.
Voluntarily giving up the ball there, by tossing it over your shoulder behind you, is beyond braindead. They're both different kinds of stupid, but they're certainly comparable.Rham lateraled the ball to a guy 12 inches from him, by the sideline. It’s nothing like what Meyers tried to do. The situations aren’t comparable.
I agree with the bolded as a perfect summation of the current predicament, but I do not agree that he has earned the right to hold my favorite football team hostage to mediocrity in perpetuity. If his goal is to break Shula's record or just wants to keep doing what he loves, there needs to be accountability, and Kraft has a responsibility to hold him to that.Belichick gave me 2 decades of awesome football. Nobody can ever take that away. I don’t know if he’s “done” or not (don’t think he is) but I no longer worry about a post-BB world. His GM work has been awful and his coaching staff hires have somehow been even worse. His teams without Brady play boring, predictable, and now stupid football. Almost every week now.
He’s earned the right to do whatever the hell he wants but if he decides to hang it up, I won’t really be disappointed other than simple melancholy.
Do you manage people in your daily life? What do you do if they make a mistake?Lett and Jackson and Marshall were star players and Meyers is not. Meyers is decent but doesn’t contribute so much on the field that’s he’s unbenchable when he makes dumb mistakes.
Worse players than Meyers get cut for game losing mistakes. Matt Dodge comes to mind.
Rham’s lateral was like 99% to be successful. Meyers’ was… not.Voluntarily giving up the ball there, by tossing it over your shoulder behind you, is beyond braindead. They're both different kinds of stupid, but they're certainly comparable.