HA! Folks. The Todd Bowles led Bucs are a complete mess. Bowles may be a fine DC, but he is an awful coach. There will be a major house cleaning operation once the season is over at One Buc.
Let's say BB stays on until he retires. What does that mean for the franchise?
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I think the Patriots can get there faster if they just move on from the BB era and start fresh. The Red Sox have zero plan.
Running a draw there is fucking stupid anyway. The odds of a crazy turnover being returned for a TD are higher than a Hail Mary and the odds of breaking a run for a score lower than a Hail Mary catch. If you don't think Mac Jones can throw a football 55 yards in the air (and Jesus fucking Christ if that's the case), then just take a knee.
I know completely what you’re getting at. Something bad happened and you’re overreacting because you need your pound of flesh so you’re coming up with made up reasoning to extract it.
To your “poor game instincts” what other poor game instincts have been on display over his Patriots career? I’m hard pressed to come up with anything obvious. Quite the opposite, honestly.
Why do you think Jakobi is prone to this kind of mistake? Because he made it once? Was the coaching bad when he was becoming the super dependable receiver over the last several years? Or is there coaching just bad this year and that has somehow ruined him?
I’m sure he’s shown this in practice too.
Nothing is unavoidable.
What others? Was today not enough for you?
Made up reasoning, nonsense. Nothing happens in a vacuum in the NFL.
The idea that you cut a useful player because of a really stupid play--even one that stupid--is idiotic. Bench him for a series, a game, to games, whatever, but cut him? How does that improve the team?
If there's a defensive penalty (e.g. face mask) when Stevenson is tackled, can't the Pats try a FG?
Yeah, he panicked and made a colossally stupid play. So did Rham, for that matter. He’s also a #4 receiver masquerading as a #1 in this shittastic offense. That’s really the bigger problem.
I said above I’d bench him for a game at least. But it’s not going to happen because there’s no accountability on this team and that’s on BB.
Take a breather.
The coaches called a draw. The players somehow panicked into multiple laterals. That’s not putting your players in a position to fail. The Patriots have run the ball hundreds of times this year without the players throwing multiple laterals. How is 100% of the blame on the coach?
No. That it is for you should tell you you’re overreacting. For 4 years he had good instincts and now he has bad instincts.
Who cares? They ran a draw. It got them 40 or so yards or if 55ish they needed. The play call was fine. Sleep it off.
I'm really just struggling to understand how coaching can drop off a cliff. It just doesn't make sense to me. I realize some of the all-time greats had less success late in their careers, but did they become worse coaches, or just lose their star QBs or other HoF players? Coaches coach and players play, so I'm perfectly fine with the latter being the reasoning, but that's not the standard BB is being held to. He's being called the GOAT, his standard is he's better than all of them so surely he can do better than the all-time greats when he loses his star QB?
This team is every dumb team in the NFL we've laughed at for 20 years and it baffles me.
This team is every dumb team in the NFL we've laughed at for 20 years and it baffles me.
Sleep it off? IDGAF that they lost. In fact, I’m kind of happy if it means Kraft sees the light.
There was an anecdote about Marlon McCree after that SD-NE playoff game back in ‘06. Shottenheimer knew that McCree was prone to losing the plot during games and doing dumb shit, had been for years. He specifically told McCree that if he got an INT, go down instead of trying a return. As we know, McCree didn’t go down and fumbled the ball right back. And while McCree is an idiot, Marty got fired in part because he kept playing a DB who would make stupid mistakes.
Let’s say your take is correct, that Meyers had never shown any signs of being this stupid on the field before. But now he has. Don’t you have to address that? Don’t you have to change his playing time now? Change what situations he’s on the field too? Will BB make sure there is accountability for this? Or like all the other stupid mistakes this team has made thus year will nothing be done about it.
Along with Brady leaving there has been a MASSIVE brain drain from this franchise. Both coordinators, a top flight ST coordinator, and most of the position coaches. That has a gigantic impact. Plus Bill has really struggled as GM on the offensive side of the ball.
Worsw players and worse coaching and you get this outcome.
If you think it will be a continued problem, yes. If you think it was a one off freak circumstance for a player that’s normally of sound mind, there are other means if punishment that can be handled internally beyond a full game suspension.
Stevenson had a bad fumble problem his rookie year. Good thing we cut him and don’t have him around anymore.
You’re making my point. We benched his ass. Harris got the vast majority of the Carrie’s until Stevenson cleaned up his act.
That’s not how Jimmy Johnson dealt with Leon Lett. It’s not how Andy Reid dealt with DeSean Jackson. Going back a bit further, it’s not how Norm Van Brocklin dealt with Jim Marshall. If you think it’s mandatory for someone who considers himself a leader of men to bench Meyers in these circumstances, then you’re going to need to show your work, because it certainly isn’t self-evident.
Lett and Jackson and Marshall were star players and Meyers is not. Meyers is decent but doesn’t contribute so much on the field that’s he’s unbenchable when he makes dumb mistakes.
Worse players than Meyers get cut for game losing mistakes. Matt Dodge comes to mind.
Belichick gave me 2 decades of awesome football. Nobody can ever take that away. I don’t know if he’s “done” or not (don’t think he is) but I no longer worry about a post-BB world. His GM work has been awful and his coaching staff hires have somehow been even worse. His teams without Brady play boring, predictable, and now stupid football. Almost every week now.
He’s earned the right to do whatever the hell he wants but if he decides to hang it up, I won’t really be disappointed other than simple melancholy.
He’s earned the right to do whatever the hell he wants but if he decides to hang it up, I won’t really be disappointed other than simple melancholy.
Guys I’ll use this analogy (I used it in another thread). Do you think the Celtics coaching staff would coach their players, in a tie game with five seconds left, to take the inbounds pass and dribble the wrong way for a layup to win the game for the other team?
Do you think they’d coach them to NOT do that?
No and no. Because the very thought that a professional player would make THAT kind of mistake is absolutely incomprehensible. You KNOW that they know not to do something like that. Same thing here.
Like if Brogdon actually did that in a game would people be blaming Mazzulla? Or would they rightly blame Brogdon?
Of COURSE that’s 100% on Meyers (and Rhamondre actually). There’s no coach in pro football that should even need to address such a play because there is no world where a player does something THAT stupid as to defy comprehension.
That it happened is not a failure of coaching. It’s completely on the player(s) involved.
There’s plenty of criticism for the coaches to be had this game and this season, but not on that play. Not one bit.
Do you think they’d coach them to NOT do that?
No and no. Because the very thought that a professional player would make THAT kind of mistake is absolutely incomprehensible. You KNOW that they know not to do something like that. Same thing here.
Like if Brogdon actually did that in a game would people be blaming Mazzulla? Or would they rightly blame Brogdon?
Of COURSE that’s 100% on Meyers (and Rhamondre actually). There’s no coach in pro football that should even need to address such a play because there is no world where a player does something THAT stupid as to defy comprehension.
That it happened is not a failure of coaching. It’s completely on the player(s) involved.
There’s plenty of criticism for the coaches to be had this game and this season, but not on that play. Not one bit.
This is an absurd take. So every time Mac throws a pick, is that 100% on BB too? When a player fumbles? When a kicker misses a kick?
Sometimes players make mistakes and sometimes they make historically awful mistakes. I’m not saying coaching doesn’t play a factor here but to put ALL the blame on the coach is ridiculous.
OK, so Jakobi sits next week. I’m sure that’ll teach him and he’ll never panick after getting a dumbfuck lateral from a RB ever again.
I assume you want Rham benched too? I mean he has a MUCH longer history of mistakes then Meyers.
When Mac throws a pick, the Pats are trying to move the ball and accomplish something.
The Pats were trying to go to OT tonight.
Wait, didn’t the coach take crap when JR Smith dribbled out the ball because he thought they had a lead?
The coaches have to emphasize the situation to the players all the time. Someone on the staff should have told them “draw play, just go down.” Just a reminder.
They should have played for OT. That is on the coaching staff. The play itself is on the players.
You keep talking about “accountability” but what you actually seem to be referring to “punishment.” Meyers seemed to be fully accountable - he didn’t try to throw coaches or other players under the bus, he looked like he was well aware he made a historically awful decision.
Belichick has always been about accountability but that doesn’t always mean a player needs to be punished for a mistake.
Rham lateraled the ball to a guy 12 inches from him, by the sideline. It’s nothing like what Meyers tried to do. The situations aren’t comparable.
The coach took crap more because they also had a time out which the coach could have himself called.
This thread is totally off the rails with 2 people game threading.
I am using the term in regards to cleaning up mistakes, which this team has done nothing about this entire year.
Jakobi ruined the season?? How about the piss poor QB play? The bad special teams play? There were a number of things that directly influenced the outcome of this game.
Voluntarily giving up the ball there, by tossing it over your shoulder behind you, is beyond braindead. They're both different kinds of stupid, but they're certainly comparable.
Edit: I'm on the same page with whatever poster earlier gave Jakobi *some* excuse for probably be confused AF to suddenly have a ball being thrown at him and panicked.
I agree with the bolded as a perfect summation of the current predicament, but I do not agree that he has earned the right to hold my favorite football team hostage to mediocrity in perpetuity. If his goal is to break Shula's record or just wants to keep doing what he loves, there needs to be accountability, and Kraft has a responsibility to hold him to that.
Do you manage people in your daily life? What do you do if they make a mistake?