I don’t think TB has anywhere near the cap space necessary to sign him after Sherman came aboard.You're just handing him to Tampa Bay. I don't get it but hopefully there is more to this. Maybe he's really, really hurt. And he's costly.
well they couldn’t have moved him in the off-season when he wasn’t healthy. They fucked up royally not training him at the deadline last year.Wow. Bill pulling no punches. He had to be worth some draft capital in the offseason, no? A third or fourth?
The injury and contract may have made him untradeable now, but seems like a rare occasion Bill held on for too long instead of moving on prematurely.
Sherman makes 1.3 million.I don’t think TB has anywhere near the cap space necessary to sign him after Sherman came aboard.
Just asking the question, because I’m not sure. Could he have been actually traded before being put on the PUP, even though he was still recovering, or was his value too low to consider a trade?well they couldn’t have moved him in the off-season when he wasn’t healthy. They fucked up royally not training him at the deadline last year.
His value was probably too low to be traded. But they should have moved him last year. Really a stupid move.Just asking the question, because I’m not sure. Could he have been actually traded before being put on the PUP, even though he was still recovering, or was his value too low to consider a trade?
I was under the impression he was on the fringe of being ready to play and the put him on the PUP to give him more recovery time/sort his contract.
This. The situation is totally on BB not to see how bad his team was last year and just move on from him then especially with the contract situation. They could have used a few mid round picks to help with this rebuild.Completely moronic not to trade him last year. GJGE, Pats.
If he signs with Tampa...Does this mean he won't get a ring?
The time to trade him was last year. Then he got hurt, disgruntled, and here we are.Obviously they should have traded him in theory but the player was clearly not happy with his contract and there’s no guarantee he’d report to any team without a restructured deal. I’m guessing the kind of trade he would have accepted just isn’t there right now.
$54k after signing Collins? Because if they just swapped Collins for Gilmore this is moronic. I'm pretty sure Collins is cooked.So, Pat's were only 54k under cap. I assume they needed space and he wouldnt budge on a restructure.
Fuck me.
Then they'll probably win the Super Bowl again.If he signs with Tampa...
So it probably wasn’t a favor then. More details will emerge.I can’t imagine BB is in any mood - or should be - to DO GILMORE A FAVOR. What a shit show. Embarrassing.
How is he a shitty teammate?That’s a bad job all around. Frustrating. Kind of a shitty teammate too. I’m stuck between “How did BB mismanage this THAT badly?!” and GTFO, Gilmore. Oh well. Can we please just fire sale half this roster now? Ridiculous.
I wouldnt be shocked if theres an upcoming roster move behind this (Jamie Collins). Team was only 54k under cap and still need cap space for in-season moves. I assume the abridged version of these negotiations was something like this:Odd to trade him now a month before the trade deadline when they almost certainly could have gotten something for him in a few weeks even if just a conditional pick to keep him from signing with an AFC contender. Seems like poor asset management unless there is something under the surface we don't know about.
Space for Jamie Collins.Do we think they were so desparate for OL help and so tight against cap they saw this as only way out?
Perhaps it's a combo of that dynamic pushing the timing and a conclusion Gilmore was done with the team (and they with him)
Collins isnt signed yet. I think its space for him.$54k after signing Collins? Because if they just swapped Collins for Gilmore this is moronic. I'm pretty sure Collins is cooked.
BB is addicted to getting the band back together moves like bringing back Collins, Van Noy, Brown, etc. Not much has panned out on that front lately.
It's really hard to believe they couldn't get SOMETHING for Gilmore. And isn't SOMETHING better than NOTHING?
But who is trading for his full contract? And it needs to be somewhere he wants to go otherwise he can just not play this year.It's really hard to believe they couldn't get SOMETHING for Gilmore. And isn't SOMETHING better than NOTHING?
Because trading him has the same dead cap hit as releasing him, right? So if you can deal him for a conditional 7th round pick, that's better than nothing.
Obviously nobody I guess. But it seems hard to believe that a contending team in need of DB help wouldn't be able to shed contract space to sign a top tier CB like Gilmore.But who is trading for his full contract? And it needs to be somewhere he wants to go otherwise he can just not play this year.
I don't think it's a "getting the band back together" fetish. Multiple reports have indicated that BB thinks it's (at least) a two-year rebuild, so bringing in KVN and Collins is more about plugging holes with players who can step right in. There are plenty of other "new guys" that are contributing to a lack of cohesion at the moment.BB is addicted to getting the band back together moves like bringing back Collins, Van Noy, Brown, etc. Not much has panned out on that front lately.
If the quad is bad, or even still just a question mark, that is going to really hamper his trade value; a CB with a gimpy quad doesn't offer a whole of utility. Probably only a small handful of teams that could squeeze him in and hope he recovers in time to contribute, and they may not have been willing to trade a draft pick for him. Like everything, there's details yet to come out that will give us a more complete picture of the situation.It's really hard to believe they couldn't get SOMETHING for Gilmore. And isn't SOMETHING better than NOTHING?
Because trading him has the same dead cap hit as releasing him, right? So if you can deal him for a conditional 7th round pick, that's better than nothing.
Except that, unless he was willing to retire, he had to come back at some point in order to become a FA at the end of the season. The Pats had the option of holding him, having him come back for the last third, and then letting him walk and getting a comp pick. If the Pats turned their season around enough to get back into the plyoff hunt, they would be getting Gilmore back right when he was most valuable to them. But they chose not to do that. I guess that means getting the money was more valuable to them than late-season Gilmore and eventual comp pick.The fact that he probably wasnt willing to step onto the field before getting money is fairly telling in his own self-confidence at this point. And, with that in mind, cutting him - for roughly $5ish million in prorated savings, I believe- instead of fishing around for a late round pick makes some sense. Even more so if they need the space.