Pats trade Gilmore to Carolina
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Wow….probably means he wasn’t going to show up to play on this contract. Really stupid not to trade him last year.
You're just handing him to Tampa Bay. I don't get it but hopefully there is more to this. Maybe he's really, really hurt. And he's costly.
I don’t think TB has anywhere near the cap space necessary to sign him after Sherman came aboard.
Wow. Bill pulling no punches. He had to be worth some draft capital in the offseason, no? A third or fourth?
The injury and contract may have made him untradeable now, but seems like a rare occasion Bill held on for too long instead of moving on prematurely.
The injury and contract may have made him untradeable now, but seems like a rare occasion Bill held on for too long instead of moving on prematurely.
well they couldn’t have moved him in the off-season when he wasn’t healthy. They fucked up royally not training him at the deadline last year.
They couldn’t get anything for him? Is this just done out of frustration, to prove a point and get rid of a distraction? Timing is puzzling.
Just asking the question, because I’m not sure. Could he have been actually traded before being put on the PUP, even though he was still recovering, or was his value too low to consider a trade?
I was under the impression he was on the fringe of being ready to play and the put him on the PUP to give him more recovery time/sort his contract.
His value was probably too low to be traded. But they should have moved him last year. Really a stupid move.
So, Pat's were only 54k under cap. I assume they needed space and he wouldnt budge on a restructure.
Fuck me.
Fuck me.
Sure feels like mismanaged overall----I would guess the reason is that the Pats expectations changed and they thought they could get to a deal (thus not trading him last year) and by time they realized they were wrong, he was hurt. And the 'well' seemed poisoned by the end.
Still, pretty surprising a release is the answer. There's small cap savings only right? Much of his $16 mil I believe is bonus proration (dead money now) and salary which was guaranteed?
Still, pretty surprising a release is the answer. There's small cap savings only right? Much of his $16 mil I believe is bonus proration (dead money now) and salary which was guaranteed?
Odd to trade him now a month before the trade deadline when they almost certainly could have gotten something for him in a few weeks even if just a conditional pick to keep him from signing with an AFC contender. Seems like poor asset management unless there is something under the surface we don't know about.
This. The situation is totally on BB not to see how bad his team was last year and just move on from him then especially with the contract situation. They could have used a few mid round picks to help with this rebuild.
We were debating whether releasing Newton was a favor to Newton: this is definitely a huge favor to Gilmore. Thanks for the ring, Vaya con Dios.
That’s a bad job all around. Frustrating. Kind of a shitty teammate too. I’m stuck between “How did BB mismanage this THAT badly?!” and GTFO, Gilmore. Oh well. Can we please just fire sale half this roster now? Ridiculous.
Obviously they should have traded him in theory but the player was clearly not happy with his contract and there’s no guarantee he’d report to any team without a restructured deal. I’m guessing the kind of trade he would have accepted just isn’t there right now.
Do we think they were so desparate for OL help and so tight against cap they saw this as only way out?
Perhaps it's a combo of that dynamic pushing the timing and a conclusion Gilmore was done with the team (and they with him)
Perhaps it's a combo of that dynamic pushing the timing and a conclusion Gilmore was done with the team (and they with him)
The time to trade him was last year. Then he got hurt, disgruntled, and here we are.
$54k after signing Collins? Because if they just swapped Collins for Gilmore this is moronic. I'm pretty sure Collins is cooked.
BB is addicted to getting the band back together moves like bringing back Collins, Van Noy, Brown, etc. Not much has panned out on that front lately.
Feels a bit like BB doing Gilmore a favor here. He now gets to choose when and where he plays. Does seem odd they couldn’t have worked out some compensation. He was a great player for the Pats though. Wish him well.
Doesn't seem like the Pats even save that much if my understanding of the NFL's cap is correct. If this was an impossible contract situation they should have taken their medicine during training camp. The only thing I can think of is that Gilmore was going to be out for a while longer, so the Pats reached an injury settlement allowing him to find a new home and maybe saving a bit more than the $700K or so that Spotrac indicates.
EDIT: I would not be surprised if the injury was going to keep him out a few weeks longer than the 2 remaining on his PUP stint.
EDIT: I would not be surprised if the injury was going to keep him out a few weeks longer than the 2 remaining on his PUP stint.
I can’t imagine BB is in any mood - or should be - to DO GILMORE A FAVOR. What a shit show. Embarrassing.
This feels like the Garoppolo fuckup all over again. Maybe there is a method to it but it makes no sense.
If Gilmore wanted to become a FA, he needed to show up and play after week 10 or some such. Play out the string and then comp pick when he leaves was an option they just walked away from. To me it only makes sense if they had an immediate need for the money.
If Gilmore wanted to become a FA, he needed to show up and play after week 10 or some such. Play out the string and then comp pick when he leaves was an option they just walked away from. To me it only makes sense if they had an immediate need for the money.
I wouldnt be shocked if theres an upcoming roster move behind this (Jamie Collins). Team was only 54k under cap and still need cap space for in-season moves. I assume the abridged version of these negotiations was something like this:
"Hey we need some cap, will Gilly restructure?"
"Sure! For an additional year with some guarantees."
"Uhhh...Hows Gillys quad?"
"OK. Would probably feel a lot better after an additional year added to his contract."
"We cant give him an extra year without seeing him play and knowing his health."
"Weird. His quad wont feel better without an additional year added to his contract."
Rinse and repeat for a few monthes.
I'm not going to be a revisionist here. Trading Gilmore was always going to net less value than he was worth. After this news, it's super easy to say we should have traded him last year for a 3rd+ or whatever. But the highest upside for the Pat's here was for him to come back, play well, and earn a final big contract.
The fact that he probably wasnt willing to step onto the field before getting money is fairly telling in his own self-confidence at this point. And, with that in mind, cutting him - for roughly $5ish million in prorated savings, I believe- instead of fishing around for a late round pick makes some sense. Even more so if they need the space.
Situations change. The facts on the ground last season may have led BB and the Pats to think keeping him was the best option. Then something changed. People can't predict the future. Until we know more details on that, it seems like we should hold off on the blame game.
EDIT: And there's Kyed tweet--they tried to trade him but couldn't.
EDIT: And there's Kyed tweet--they tried to trade him but couldn't.
It's really hard to believe they couldn't get SOMETHING for Gilmore. And isn't SOMETHING better than NOTHING?
Because trading him has the same dead cap hit as releasing him, right? So if you can deal him for a conditional 7th round pick, that's better than nothing.
But who is trading for his full contract? And it needs to be somewhere he wants to go otherwise he can just not play this year.
Obviously nobody I guess. But it seems hard to believe that a contending team in need of DB help wouldn't be able to shed contract space to sign a top tier CB like Gilmore.
But yeah maybe it wasn't possible.
I don't think it's a "getting the band back together" fetish. Multiple reports have indicated that BB thinks it's (at least) a two-year rebuild, so bringing in KVN and Collins is more about plugging holes with players who can step right in. There are plenty of other "new guys" that are contributing to a lack of cohesion at the moment.
As has been mentioned previously, as soon as Brady said "Adios", Gilmore should have been traded. Too late now.
If the quad is bad, or even still just a question mark, that is going to really hamper his trade value; a CB with a gimpy quad doesn't offer a whole of utility. Probably only a small handful of teams that could squeeze him in and hope he recovers in time to contribute, and they may not have been willing to trade a draft pick for him. Like everything, there's details yet to come out that will give us a more complete picture of the situation.
Except that, unless he was willing to retire, he had to come back at some point in order to become a FA at the end of the season. The Pats had the option of holding him, having him come back for the last third, and then letting him walk and getting a comp pick. If the Pats turned their season around enough to get back into the plyoff hunt, they would be getting Gilmore back right when he was most valuable to them. But they chose not to do that. I guess that means getting the money was more valuable to them than late-season Gilmore and eventual comp pick.
I’m convinced they kept him at the deadline because they were planning to trade him in the off-season. Then, post-injury his value dropped. Same reason there were reportedly no takers prior to release.
Quad injury was costly.
Quad injury was costly.
Do they need offensive line help badly and want to free up the cash to go after one of the FA's out there right now (Schwartz, Okung, Wagner)? Other than that, I don't know what is going on.
Edit - or they want to extend JC Jackson before he prices himself out of their budget?
Edit - or they want to extend JC Jackson before he prices himself out of their budget?