Pats trade Gilmore to Carolina

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The reason he's making $7 million this year is because he asked for more money last year so they advanced him a portion of his 2021 salary last year. He then gets hurt and his stance is he's not taking the field without a new deal. What does him and his camp think the Pats would do? Of course the team would want to see if Gilmore was healthy enough to warrant the pay bump. He's 31 and coming off an injury that could sap him of some quickness and explosiveness. It is well within the team's right to see where his health is at before committing more money to a player. It is also within Gilmore's right to do what he did, but still should realize where the team is coming from and should meet them somewhere in the middle if he wants his money. At some point though he needs to get on the field because any other team is going to feel the same way. If they felt differently, they'd have already traded for him sight unseen.
 

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Tampa being such an obvious landing spot is probably the best trade leverage they have---rest of league has to figure the only chance to get him (or, particularly for Chiefs or a NFC team, to keep him from Tampa) is to trade for him
 

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It’s going to be great when we get more value from a Sony Michel trade than Stephon Gilmore
 

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The reason he's making $7 million this year is because he asked for more money last year so they advanced him a portion of his 2021 salary last year. He then gets hurt and his stance is he's not taking the field without a new deal. What does him and his camp think the Pats would do? Of course the team would want to see if Gilmore was healthy enough to warrant the pay bump. He's 31 and coming off an injury that could sap him of some quickness and explosiveness. It is well within the team's right to see where his health is at before committing more money to a player. It is also within Gilmore's right to do what he did, but still should realize where the team is coming from and should meet them somewhere in the middle if he wants his money. At some point though he needs to get on the field because any other team is going to feel the same way. If they felt differently, they'd have already traded for him sight unseen.
Well stated.

Also, feels like the TB talk is overstated. They don’t have cap room and he wants new dollars. How do the Bucs make that work?
 

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Well stated.

Also, feels like the TB talk is overstated. They don’t have cap room and he wants new dollars. How do the Bucs make that work?
He also has a recent ring so the ring chasing angle is likely not material here. Dude just wants to get paid while playing on a good team.
 

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Does it really matter. The patriots aren’t contenders at all.
I can't stand the Chiefs or pretty much their entire roster along with most of their fanbase. I've also transplanted out to the KC area. I have no problem rooting for Gilmore to come back healthy, help a team deep into the playoffs and never set foot in the Chiefs' locker room.
 

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It seems like Patriots fans should simply root for some return for Gilmore and not care about the landing spot. However my base case is that the team isn't likely to contend for the SB this season.
After last night, some are just casting about for a reason to be butt-hurt
 

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Yeah, the remainder of Gilmore's career has zero relevance to the future of the Patriots at this point. Who cares where he goes?
He is 31 years old and coming off injury. Also, if the Patriots were to trade Gilmore to the Chiefs or the Bucs or any other contender, I am ok with that. Perhaps I am a rube but the people running this franchise have proven to me that the understand what they are doing better than most fans.
 

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Well stated.

Also, feels like the TB talk is overstated. They don’t have cap room and he wants new dollars. How do the Bucs make that work?
They have guys they can re-structure or extend without much issue to get money in 2022, and the cap jumps quite a bit in 2023, if they wanted to do it they could. Most teams could afford Gilmore's demands if they wanted to, it just means kicking some obligations down the road.
 

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He is 31 years old and coming off injury. Also, if the Patriots were to trade Gilmore to the Chiefs or the Bucs or any other contender, I am ok with that. Perhaps I am a rube but the people running this franchise have proven to me that the understand what they are doing better than most fans.
I wasn't being sarcastic, I honestly don't care where he goes...KC, TB, wherever. If they can get a pick before 4:00, great. If not, they need the cap space.
 

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They have guys they can re-structure or extend without much issue to get money in 2022, and the cap jumps quite a bit in 2023, if they wanted to do it they could. Most teams could afford Gilmore's demands if they wanted to, it just means kicking some obligations down the road.
That’s a tight timeline to get those restructures done though now isn’t it? Plus do they want to commit to a 31 year old corner coming off a major injury for multiple years when a bunch of their guys are FAs next year? Not sure about that either. Guess we will see.
 

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The reason he's making $7 million this year is because he asked for more money last year so they advanced him a portion of his 2021 salary last year. He then gets hurt and his stance is he's not taking the field without a new deal. What does him and his camp think the Pats would do? Of course the team would want to see if Gilmore was healthy enough to warrant the pay bump. He's 31 and coming off an injury that could sap him of some quickness and explosiveness. It is well within the team's right to see where his health is at before committing more money to a player. It is also within Gilmore's right to do what he did, but still should realize where the team is coming from and should meet them somewhere in the middle if he wants his money. At some point though he needs to get on the field because any other team is going to feel the same way. If they felt differently, they'd have already traded for him sight unseen.
Do we know the bolded for a fact? If he was obviously faking it or refusing to participate in the conditioning drill to get off PUP, the team would have recourse to treat it as a holdout. I guess it's not out of the question. It's also not out of the question that his quad is not in good shape.
 

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They have guys they can re-structure or extend without much issue to get money in 2022, and the cap jumps quite a bit in 2023, if they wanted to do it they could. Most teams could afford Gilmore's demands if they wanted to, it just means kicking some obligations down the road.
Thanks, makes sense. I doubt they would care about kicking some obligations down the road given Brady’s age.
 

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I wasn't being sarcastic, I honestly don't care where he goes...KC, TB, wherever. If they can get a pick before 4:00, great. If not, they need the cap space.
Apologies and completely agreed. If they can somehow use this move as way to shore up their OL, that would be great. While adding Gilmore to this defense would be interesting, protecting your potential franchise QB from being sent into another dimension seems like it should be a higher priority.
 

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Gilmore has been traded to Carolina.

CHARLOTTE — Stephon Gilmore is coming home.
The Panthers traded for the veteran cornerback Wednesday, sending a 2023 sixth-rounder to New England.
The 31-year-old Rock Hill native adds some stability and credibility to their secondary, which has been hit hard by injuries this season.
Gilmore was named Associated Press NFL defensive player of the year in 2019, and was a first-team All-Pro selection in 2018 and 2019.
Originally a first-round pick of the Bills in 2012, Gilmore signed a five-year, $65 million deal with the Patriots in 2017.

https://www.panthers.com/news/panthers-acquire-cornerback-stephon-gilmore
 

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6th is interesting. Last 20 years we;ve had pretty decent success with OL in the 6th (and other than Ebner abject failure at every other position).
 

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I'm happy to see him not in TB or KC, I really have 0 interest in watching either of them win it all this year and if healthy he'd have been a significant piece for either of them.

6th would have been beyond a disappointing return a year ago, but pre injury it was reasonable to hold off on trading him mid 2020 season. Post injury, assuming we weren't getting significantly better offers leading up to the draft, I'm not too mad about gambling that he'd be a meaningful contributor this year.
 

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Not really. Since he wasn't going to be sent to another AFCE team, it didn't really matter where he went.
It might not to you, but we can hope that teams we dislike don't get better. Gilmore gets to go home and CAR is a fun team to root for, IMO. I'm perfectly fine with this. If they flip that 6th into another Onwenu type pick even better.
 

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Wonder if he'll be ready to go when Pats play Panthers.

Either way, I'm treating this as a Gilmore for Collins and a 6th.
 

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I'll defer to members here who know more about this situation that I do, but I'm not understanding what happened here; he wanted an extension, they could not work out a deal, so he held out, he was hurt, so he went on the PUP list for the first 6 weeks of the season.

So when he comes off, was he still planning on holding out or was he going to play out the remainder of his contract/the last 11 games and then walk next year?

If so, why trade him for basically nothing; let him show the rest of the league he can still play the last 11 games of the season and go from there.

If he told them he was holding out for the rest of the year, then I guess he forced their hand.

If they had no plans on keeping him after this year, they should have traded him sooner, they pissed away a somewhat valuable asset with this.
 

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I'll defer to members here who know more about this situation that I do, but I'm not understanding what happened here; he wanted an extension, they could not work out a deal, so he held out, he was hurt, so he went on the PUP list for the first 6 weeks of the season.

So when he comes off, was he still planning on holding out or was he going to play out the remainder of his contract/the last 11 games and then walk next year?

If so, why trade him for basically nothing; let him show the rest of the league he can still play the last 11 games of the season and go from there.

If he told them he was holding out for the rest of the year, then I guess he forced their hand.

If they had no plans on keeping him after this year, they should have traded him sooner, they pissed away a somewhat valuable asset with this.
Yup. My guess is things got contentious enough with the Pats that he wasn't willing to play in NE for that contract, but will do so for the Panthers. Otherwise, a sixth rounder in 2023 is as close to "nothing" as it gets and I'd rather keep him for 11 games.

And Gilmore for Collins and a 2023 sixth is still a tire fire of a trade.
 

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Yup. My guess is things got contentious enough with the Pats that he wasn't willing to play in NE for that contract, but will do so for the Panthers. Otherwise, a sixth rounder in 2023 is as close to "nothing" as it gets and I'd rather keep him for 11 games.
Ok, thanks very much for that.

So he shot his way out of town then.

If you sign a contract, you should honor it, granted the landscape has changed and other cornerbacks who are less skilled than he is are getting paid more than he is and in his eyes, he's underpaid, but how it that the Patriots fault?

He signed the deal, so honor it; if his play slipped and he was performing below league average, would he be willing to give some of the money back?

Yeah, I didn't think so.
 

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Yup. My guess is things got contentious enough with the Pats that he wasn't willing to play in NE for that contract, but will do so for the Panthers. Otherwise, a sixth rounder in 2023 is as close to "nothing" as it gets and I'd rather keep him for 11 games.

And Gilmore for Collins and a 2023 sixth is still a tire fire of a trade.
Not if he won't play for you.