A player scored 50 or more 14 times this year. 10 different players. 25 different players had a triple double.
Not sure about this. There were 143 triple-doubles this season. Westbrook, Lebron, Harden, Jokic, and Doncic alone have more triple doubles than there have been non-Wilt 50-point games in NBA history.
I think you guys misunderstood the point because of the typos. He was saying it's both easier to score 50 points in a game today, and also easier to get a triple double today, than it was in the Bird era.A player scored 50 or more 14 times this year. 10 different players. 25 different players had a triple double.
Question for the statisticians on the board - what is the right metric to evaluate how easy it is to score 50 or get a triple double in the NBA in a given year.I think you guys misunderstood the point because of the typos. He was saying it's both easier to score 50 points in a game today, and also easier to get a triple double today, than it was in the Bird era.
I would imagine metrics and the related use of the three-point shot. In baseball, Crash Davis once lamented, “Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls – it's more democratic.” But the numbers have led hitters to adjust their launch angle to pursue home runs, and pitchers to adjust their repertoires to avoid contact, and the result is the rise of the strikeout in modern baseball. Similarly, Norman Dale once preached, “Five players on the floor functioning as one single unit: team, team, team - no one more important that the other.” However, the numbers have led coaches to try to maximize the efficiency of every scoring opportunity, and players to practice those specific types of usage, and the result is the style of play we see today where previously rare statistical occurrences are more common.What accounts for it being eaiser to score 50 or get a triple double today if that is the case? Less balanced scoring/production overall than in the past, with more minutes going to defensive specialists who don't produce stats and more stat accumulation by the stars?
Bite your tongue!Question for the statisticians on the board - what is the right metric to evaluate how easy it is to score 50 or get a triple double in the NBA in a given year.
The raw frequencies seem to be very individual-player dependent. Like, a huge fraction, maybe 20%-30% of the triple doubles that have occured in the NBA in the past 5 years are by one guy - Russell Westbrook. It was similar with Magic Johnson back when he played. The vast majority of NBA players have no shot at ever getting a triple double and some guys who do have a shot never manage it (Hi, Al Horford!). But more of them do occur very recently than there were in Bird's era, though there were fewer in the mid 1990s.
Team points per game during Larry Bird's heyday (ie, 1979-80 through 1988-89) varied between 108.1 and 110.8, which is not that different than the 111.2 to 112.1 that we have seen in the past 3 seasons. But from 1989-90 to 2017-18, points per game were more often less than 100 than more. The lowest number of team points per game in Larry Bird's career was 105.3 in his final season. Since Bird's retirement, team PPG was less than that every single year until the past five seasons.
Nowadays, we are in the "load management era" where players don't rack up the games and minutes played totals that they did in Bird's era.
What accounts for it being eaiser to score 50 or get a triple double today if that is the case? Less balanced scoring/production overall than in the past, with more minutes going to defensive specialists who don't produce stats and more stat accumulation by the stars?
I’m not sure triple doubles are easier per se. I think it’s become an overrated stat and players now consciously try for them, and so they get accumulated more often. But even at that Westbrook is probably responsible for a quarter of them over the recent timeline.Question for the statisticians on the board - what is the right metric to evaluate how easy it is to score 50 or get a triple double in the NBA in a given year.
Awesome, time for Brad’s best recruiter to bring home a third star
I always feel that way about exhibition games (PG/injuries), but the Olympics is a hair different. Being one of the best players on a Gold Medal winning team could launch JT's confidence even further.Disappointing. I get why he wants to do it, but after this season I'd prefer he spend the offseason in bubble wrap.
I will say... why is Tatum guard eligible? He's played like 30 minutes at guard in the past 2 seasons.That’s the dumbest thing ever. Splitting votes …. With yourself?
What do you mean? I don't think there's any vote splitting going on. All of Tatum's guard and forward votes counted. He just had too many forwards ahead of him. A player being eligible in 2 categories can only help them.That’s the dumbest thing ever. Splitting votes …. With yourself?
I think the point was... why make guys eligible for votes at 2 positions, but then not compare total votes vs both positions.What do you mean? I don't think there's any vote splitting going on. All of Tatum's guard and forward votes counted. He just had too many forwards ahead of him. A player being eligible in 2 categories can only help them.
Edit: At least I think that's how it works.
I know that's what YOU were saying. Would you ever call that "vote splitting"? I assumed EY mistakenly believed that Tatum lost his guard votes when he was eventually slotted as a forward, but I could be wrong.I think the point was... why make guys eligible for votes at 2 positions, but then not compare total votes vs both positions.
So if Tatum gets say 99 votes, 50 at F, 49 at G, and Kyrie gets 55 votes all at guard Kyrie makes the team over a player who far more voters thought was worthy of making it
He needs to recruit Luka.Awesome, time for Brad’s best recruiter to bring home a third star
Conversely what if Tatum got 97 at F and 2 at G, but beat out Kyrie with 98 all at G? The dual eligibility helps guys like Tatum by allowing them to accrue votes at multiple positions.I think the point was... why make guys eligible for votes at 2 positions, but then not compare total votes vs both positions.
So if Tatum gets say 99 votes, 50 at F, 49 at G, and Kyrie gets 55 votes all at guard Kyrie makes the team over a player who far more voters thought was worthy of making it
Sure, that's why the format is ridiculous. If a guy is eligible at 2 positions make him eligible at 2 positions, if not just put him at 1.Eh, it doesn't really matter. He should have been eligible at just forward, and he wouldn't have made it with 99 anyway.
And if he were only listed as forward he probably would have gotten a good bit fewer votes- I bet most of his votes he got at G were voters wanting to slip him in but couldn't fit him in as F- and the dual eligibility only helped him.
Why? Because Wyc would have cheaped out on the tax? We're not signing a $5M player with cap room probably as long as Tatum is here.When some vet FA making $5 million a year helps Tatum win his first championship in a couple of years, I will think back to tonight.
that would be the most American thing ever, Don Luka playing for Team USA in the Olympics.He needs to recruit Luka.
There's always a limit for every non-Lacob owner, and even without that, an extra $5M helps with lots of things. The apron if they want to S&T, clearing max room if they hear someone is available, being marginally more willing to acquire X marginal player...tons of uses.Why? Because Wyc would have cheaped out on the tax? We're not signing a $5M player with cap room probably as long as Tatum is here.
It was only one play and Tatum missed the shot, but it was nice to see Tatum try the old classic Pierce move of upfaking, getting fouled, and getting his midrange shot off after the foul. That's one way to be more efficient in the midrange game and a good tool for Tatum to add to his arsenal.Over his last 27 outings, including the playoffs, Tatum averaged 7.3 free throw attempts per game. If he can sustain that over a full season, he would rank near the top-10 in that category. Tatum also shot a career-best 50.2 percent from inside the arc, including 68.3 percent from inside of four feet, according to Cleaning the Glass. The latter mark put Tatum in the 78th percentile among players at his position, far better than the 30th percentile where he finished the previous season.
Loved the quotes from Hanlon…don’t love the chances of Tatum staying in Boston his whole career with the company He seems to keep and be friends with. Kyzuzu (shout out to nighthob), Marcus Morris, Durant….yeesh
that's why Wyc/Steve need to buy Pure Sweat and retain Hanlen on a 10yr non-compete.Loved the quotes from Hanlon…don’t love the chances of Tatum staying in Boston his whole career with the company He seems to keep and be friends with. Kyzuzu (shout out to nighthob), Marcus Morris, Durant….yeesh
Kelly Oubre is also a Hanlen client. Maybe there could be a package deal.that's why Wyc/Steve need to buy Pure Sweat and retain Hanlen on a 10yr non-compete.
Jeez Joe Lacob burned $82MM for 1 season of t$unami Papi For a fraction of that, he could have the Pied Piper of NBA All-Stars that want to bust their ass in the offseason and improve.
so is Semi, maybe that depresses the price tagKelly Oubre is also a Hanlen client. Maybe there could be a package deal.
The flip side is that guys who know everyone tend to be better at recruiting elite players.Loved the quotes from Hanlon…don’t love the chances of Tatum staying in Boston his whole career with the company He seems to keep and be friends with. Kyzuzu (shout out to nighthob), Marcus Morris, Durant….yeesh
more money, more freedom...Why would Hanlen want to work for a team?
Hanlen is in the best possible spot now, he picks and chooses his clients, he makes plenty of money, he is connected all over the league. It's like asking if Rich Paul would like to come be the President of Basketball Administration
Hanlen has done a good job with Semi in regard to getting him to catch and shoot the three quickly, with Semi improving to 37% from three his last two seasons. I give Drew credit for working with low talent, hard working journeymen like Semi.so is Semi, maybe that depresses the price tag
the first rule of Port Cellar is: you do not talk positively about Semi in Port CellarHanlen has done a good job with Semi in regard to getting him to catch and shoot the three quickly, with Semi improving to 37% from three his last two seasons. I give Drew credit for working with low talent, hard working journeymen like Semi.