We need a poll on this.Wonder if BB skates. I imagine he does, absent one of these crew claiming he was involved. So do they just ban the Pats from the playoffs? Take their entire 2020 draft?
Statement says they filmed the field "and the sideline.""Inappropriately filmed the field" doesn't mean they were zeroing in on their coaches. Hell, there's no signals anymore for God sakes. This means they literally filmed the field. By them, I mean camera operators for KSP who have no idea what the NFL rules are.
Maybe like tell the firm you’re contracting what the applicable rules are? Even if it was innocent, it’s so damn dumb. They know they’re always on double secret probation."Inappropriately filmed the field" doesn't mean they were zeroing in on their coaches. Hell, there's no signals anymore for God sakes. This means they literally filmed the field. By them, I mean camera operators for KSP who have no idea what the NFL rules are
Why is it a need to get into the pressIf they don’t inform the Browns how are they getting access to the press box?
I don't know. Unless the Bengals were doing the hand signals behind their backs, I'm not sure what cameras stationed behind them would pick up.Statement says they filmed the field "and the sideline."
Sure, it's likely useless stuff. But, if I were the Bengals, and didn't know what was happening, I'd be pissed as well
It really depends what they filmed, if there were some wide shots of just the sideline then it probably goes away. If there was film of some sort of signals or if they were focusing on something in particular then the hammer will be swift and harsh."Inappropriately filmed the field" doesn't mean they were zeroing in on their coaches. Hell, there's no signals anymore for God sakes. This means they literally filmed the field. By them, I mean camera operators for KSP who have no idea what the NFL rules are.
Man speak truthEven if it was innocent, it’s so damn dumb. They know they’re always on double secret probation.
If you want to spy on the other team why tf would you do it from the press box stationed behind that team while wearing Patriots gear?If they don’t inform the Browns how are they getting access to the press box?
Exactly right.Maybe like tell the firm you’re contracting what the applicable rules are? Even if it was innocent, it’s so damn dumb. They know they’re always on double secret probation.
Like 50,000 cameras are let into every stadium every game.Are people allowed to just bring cameras and equipment into NFL stadiums? No matter where they filmed, I’d assume they’d need a pass from the team.
Shouldn't there be all sorts of other things at play here? Like using NFL and Bengals trademarks and potentially capturing fans that haven’t given consent? Maybe all that is not the job of the production team on site but gets sorted out in post filming. Still, filming in an NFL stadium seems to implicate an awful lot of things well beyond the rules pertaining to filming of opponents.How would you get a camera crew into the press box without informing the home team? Who otherwise handles credentials and access?
Which is why I keep going back to the part where they didn't tell the League or the Bengals they'd have a crew there. It doesn't look suspicious if everyone knows why the crew is thereI don't know. Unless the Bengals were doing the hand signals behind their backs, I'm not sure what cameras stationed behind them would pick up.
I’m not saying the rules are sensible but obvious cameras are different and more precise than cell phones.Like 50,000 cameras are let into every stadium every game.
They could send 100 people to the game to sit in the stands with an iPhone and record whatever they want.Are people allowed to just bring cameras and equipment into NFL stadiums? No matter where they filmed, I’d assume they’d need a pass from the team.
They aren't cheating. It was a video crew from web content crew doing a project on the scouts.Why would they cheat to get an advantage over the Bengals? Isn’t this a slam dunk win?
Are you asking me to explain why the Patriots decided to record the sidelines from a press box instead of doing something else? Because I don’t think it’s on me to have to do that.Why is it a need to get into the press
Box to film sidelines in the year 2019?
They probably want to talk to those involved.Hasn’t the league had the video for like 6 hours now? I mean it seems pretty cut and dried - either the video shows signal stealing or it doesn’t.
There will be something in view that people will focus on. A playsheet, people looking at iPads, the training staff, something.It really depends what they filmed, if there were some wide shots of just the sideline then it probably goes away. If there was film of some sort of signals or if they were focusing on something in particular then the hammer will be swift and harsh.
And it would be correct.
The logos probably. I think tickets have language about waiving rights to use of your likeness.Shouldn't there be all sorts of other things at play here? Like using NFL and Bengals trademarks and potentially capturing fans that haven’t given consent? Maybe all that is not the job of the production team on site but gets sorted out in post filming. Still, filming in an NFL stadium seems to implicate an awful lot of things well beyond the rules pertaining to filming of opponents.
But isn’t the implication that they’re cheating?They aren't cheating. It was a video crew from web content crew doing a project on the scouts.
I agree. Only way this is more than a minor kerfuffle is if facts emerge that call into question the Pats’ assertion that the film crew had nothing to do with the football operation.I bet the NFL does. There will be a token fine. At most.
Are you saying documentary film crews that happen to use crowd shots should get consent from the thousands of people that show up in those crowd shots?Shouldn't there be all sorts of other things at play here? Like using NFL and Bengals trademarks and potentially capturing fans that haven’t given consent? Maybe all that is not the job of the production team on site but gets sorted out in post filming. Still, filming in an NFL stadium seems to implicate an awful lot of things well beyond the rules pertaining to filming of opponents.
All plays are called in on offense and defense via wireless communication. The days of signals are over.It really depends what they filmed, if there were some wide shots of just the sideline then it probably goes away. If there was film of some sort of signals or if they were focusing on something in particular then the hammer will be swift and harsh.
And it would be correct.
True. But every time someone gets caught doing something stupid, a better option is readily apparent.They could send 100 people to the game to sit in the stands with an iPhone and record whatever they want.
What? It’s on none of us, why else are we here but to try to make sense of events literally out of our control/to which we’re passive observers. And read Rev’s posts, of course.Are you asking me to explain why the Patriots decided to record the sidelines from a press box instead of doing something else? Because I don’t think it’s on me to have to do that.
The apparent coordination is a good sign — suggests the interactions with the league are non-adversarial.The Patriots statement came at about the two-minute warning. A release no doubt coordinated with the league. What the league does about it tomorrow is anyone's guess
Honestly, who cares. They didn’t before, they won’t now. America and the NFL suck.I get that. America and the NFL are not going to accept that.
The statement owns their actions. There’s no attempt to hide the ball here from what we can see. Maybe that matters. Maybe not.The Patriots statement came at about the two-minute warning. A release no doubt coordinated with the league. What the league does about it tomorrow is anyone's guess
Sure. So why didn’t they do that ten years ago. You know, after they and all other NFL teams received that memo from the league explicitly telling them to not do what they ended up doing?If you want to spy on the other team why tf would you do it from the press box stationed behind that team while wearing Patriots gear?
Wouldn't you buy a cheap ticket and film from crowd wearing a fucking North Face hoodie after buying $20 tix on StubHub.
I’m asking you why if it was nefarious they wouldn’t use some guy not in Pats gear sitting in the stands with a phone. Seems like an obvious question.Are you asking me to explain why the Patriots decided to record the sidelines from a press box instead of doing something else? Because I don’t think it’s on me to have to do that.
There are reports out there that there is some sort of signaling still going on in addition to radio communication. I’m aware plays are no longer signaled in.All plays are called in on offense and defense via wireless communication. The days of signals are over.
If you’re a billionaire who can helicopter models directly to your house, why get a handjob in a suburban mall? Everyone looks dumb when they’re caught.I’m asking you why if it was nefarious they wouldn’t use some guy not in Pats gear sitting in the stands with a phone. Seems like an obvious question.
No one thinks they're good enough to win this yearInterestingly, not much of a reaction in my feed so far. Wonder if people aren’t interested in another DFG level story involving the Pats.