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sheesh -- the Rockets have a late night partying in South Beach? They're a flawed team I pick to underachieve their overall talent, but....this is ridiculous.
This is standard Rockets. They began last season 1-5 including three 20-point home losses to NO, LAC, and Portland during that stretch. Two years before that a 3-3 start including losses to Atlanta and a 26-win Laker team. The year prior when they were a .500 team they lost 10 of their first 15. This one common denominator here is Harden......we should only be concerned if we expect Harden to shoot 20% behind the arc for the entire season. They will be fine.
 

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Yeah, there are parts of the game that simply are not what Ball does. It's like those who are hypercritical of Ben Simmons lack of a perimeter shot...….but on a lesser scale since Simmons is already one of the leagues best as is. If Ball had an explosive first step he'd be a first ballot HOFer. If we keep harping on what he isn't rather than what he is we're missing out on someone who should be a real good solid player in this league for a long time.
Except that the problem of Ball not being able to get to the basket specifically limits what he is supposed to be his best asset. This isn't complaining that Ball isn't a rim protector or that he doesn't have any post moves; this is something that really limits his ceiling, especially if his shooting regresses.
 

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Nets allowed 48 points in 3rd quarter.

D'Andre Jordan hurts ankle, out.

Announcer says Nets shooting 69% from line, second guy says "Nice....." and chuckles, and female color analyst says "You can make jokes, but I'm not going to...."
 

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Brandon Ingram is 16 of 21 from the field. Currently at 38 points.
 

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40 now with less than a minute go go but he missed a shot that would have put the Pels within one score if he converted.

Meanwhile, the one who seemed to jilt a lot of people in this forum (still living rent free in some heads) has 37 points and nine assists.
 

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Big Al just drained a three at buzzer for 61-55 lead over Suns. Horford has 15 in first half, on just 7 shots, plus 4 assists. Harris had 16. Devin Booker has yet to go off but it’s coming.
 

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Harden goes for 44 points, 10 boards and six assists in Houston's 107-100 victory over Memphis. Its the first game that Westbrook has missed this year and given the difference in pace that Russ has brought to the Rockets, its worth watching the on/off numbers as the season progresses and we accrue more data.

While it wasn't Harden's most efficient scoring night this season - his 59 points against the Zards was on 56.3% from the field - he had his best game from beyond the arc (7-16). I wonder if the Rocket's early season shooting woes is simply a small sample size thing or as a result of the personnel. Time will, of course, tell.
 

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These Suns are fun! How did they get so many good players? Lots of solid but not spectacular guys, reminds me of the IT celtics. Oubre Baynes Rubio Johnson next to interesting young guys like Bridges. And then Booker who is maybe good.
 

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Harden goes for 44 points, 10 boards and six assists in Houston's 107-100 victory over Memphis. Its the first game that Westbrook has missed this year and given the difference in pace that Russ has brought to the Rockets, its worth watching the on/off numbers as the season progresses and we accrue more data.

While it wasn't Harden's most efficient scoring night this season - his 59 points against the Zards was on 56.3% from the field - he had his best game from beyond the arc (7-16). I wonder if the Rocket's early season shooting woes is simply a small sample size thing or as a result of the personnel. Time will, of course, tell.
Thrilled for the pick to get the win by Houston tonight. They have been notorious in years past for putting up absolute duds against awful teams whose picks were owed the Celtics.
 

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First loss for 76ers as Booker finishes with 40. Horford had 32 and Taylor 24 and that was about it.
 

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Warriors have the way more talented Blazers pretty flustered, cheap shot after cheap shot, really bad.
 

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They are chanting M-V-P while he’s at the line down the stretch here. These are not your 2018-19 Blazers.
No. They are your 2019-20 Blazers. And Lillard has been transcendent thus far this season. 3-4 after seven games is a bit too small to start making pronouncements methinks. You do you though.
 

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36 points (on 19 fga) and 13 rebounds for the rookie #41 pick.

Bowman 19 pts, 4 reb, 9 ast, +10.

Unknown Warriors pick up their first win in SF since the early '70s, and their first home win since WCF Game 2 vs. the Blazers.
 

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As long as we don't trade him for Tom Gugliotta and go on to miss the playoffs 17 of the next 18 seasons.
 

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As long as we don't trade him for Tom Gugliotta and go on to miss the playoffs 17 of the next 18 seasons.
Who knows if Paschall can keep this up but the net effect may be to hasten Green and Russell's respective returns. This team will likely still struggle to do everything but if Paschall is real, it kind of changes the tanking narrative. And that is probably good for ownership if not Myers just because they are at risk of the building being largely empty until Curry returns.
 

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Warrior kids will be fun either way this season...

anyone kicking dirt on this franchise will get a 2 X 4 to the skull next season

Bob Myers is shrewd, he knows what he is doing
 

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I know we've debated a lot how good Danny is at drafting -- I think the consensus is about average, maybe a little better -- but the Warriors seem to be very, very good. Paschall was second round, 41st pick. Another great late pickup by Golden State. Other teams should be trying to get their talent evaluators.
 

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I know we've debated a lot how good Danny is at drafting -- I think the consensus is about average, maybe a little better -- but the Warriors seem to be very, very good. Paschall was second round, 41st pick. Another great late pickup by Golden State. Other teams should be trying to get their talent evaluators.
?? They haven't had a big hit late in the draft since Draymond, unless someone is totally slipping my mind. Now, hitting on Draymond in the 2nd round does buy you cred, but we're not talking about the Spurs here.
 

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The Suns are a pretty good example of why you don’t tank. They now embody both sides of that argument.
Alternatively, they embody the argument that you shouldn't allow Ryan McDonough within 5 miles of a phone.
 

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Thoughts on my BC boy, Ky Bowman? Looks like he’s making the most of his opportunity.
 

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Ingram continues to pile up stats in losses.
40 on 17-24 shooting, Ingram killing it out of the gate. One of the reasons I was high on the Pelicans this year was the addition of Bzdelick to run the defense. Gentry loves to play with Pace with the players/fans love but sometimes (oftentimes?) this is counterintuitive to actually winning games. If the players mindset is to get up and down the floor rather than getting stops then it won't only be Kyrie ripping them up but a continuance of other guards like VanVleet, Delon Wright, and Gilgeous-Alexander tearing them up.
 

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?? They haven't had a big hit late in the draft since Draymond, unless someone is totally slipping my mind. Now, hitting on Draymond in the 2nd round does buy you cred, but we're not talking about the Spurs here.
Looney at 30 is decent. They had Nunn on their G-League team last year, not sure how/why they let him slip.

But agree, they are no Spurs
 

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Looney at 30 is decent. They had Nunn on their G-League team last year, not sure how/why they let him slip.

But agree, they are no Spurs
Yeah, Looney at 30 isn't exactly making other teams rush to hire your talent evaluators lol.
 

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It'll be interesting what the Suns do with Ayton if they are still winning. He has 19 games left on his suspension. Will they just insert him back into the starting line up or stick with Aron Baynes? Baynes has made himself into a 25-30 minute player with his expanded range. He already has 32 3PA in 7 games this year. He attempted 61 last season in 51 games. At his current pace, he'll top that in game 14. On a side note that's kind of on topic: I never noticed just how good a FT shooter Aron Baynes has been throughout his career. 80.6%. So him expanded his range really shouldn't be a surprise. Nowadays it should almost be expected. That's good news for Ayton who is a good FT shooter.

Baynes is also showing to be a pretty decent playmaker. HIs career high Ast% going into the season was 9.9% and his career rate was 7.1%. Thru 7 games this season, he's at 23.3% and averaging 3.6 assists in 24.4mpg. Since becoming a starter in game 2, Baynes is averaging 26.8 mpg, 16.7 points, 6.5 rebounds, 4.0 assists/1.3 TO (wow) 1.2 blocks on .583/.467/.762 shooting. He's a FA in the offseason, if he hits say 36-38% of his 3s this year while keeping an Ast% of over 20.0%, fella is gonna get paid.

It's interesting how people trash on the Kings for taking Bagley but the Suns get a pass. Imagine how scary the Suns would be with Doncic. I don't think Booker and Trae would work together due to defensive reasons but they'd be a ton of fun to watch on offense.

Ayton still has a ton of potential too but if the Suns were 1-6 right now...
 

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It'll be interesting what the Suns do with Ayton if they are still winning. He has 19 games left on his suspension. Will they just insert him back into the starting line up or stick with Aron Baynes? Baynes has made himself into a 25-30 minute player with his expanded range. He already has 32 3PA in 7 games this year. He attempted 61 last season in 51 games. At his current pace, he'll top that in game 14. On a side note that's kind of on topic: I never noticed just how good a FT shooter Aron Baynes has been throughout his career. 80.6%. So him expanded his range really shouldn't be a surprise. Nowadays it should almost be expected. That's good news for Ayton who is a good FT shooter.

Baynes is also showing to be a pretty decent playmaker. HIs career high Ast% going into the season was 9.9% and his career rate was 7.1%. Thru 7 games this season, he's at 23.3% and averaging 3.6 assists in 24.4mpg. Since becoming a starter in game 2, Baynes is averaging 26.8 mpg, 16.7 points, 6.5 rebounds, 4.0 assists/1.3 TO (wow) 1.2 blocks on .583/.467/.762 shooting. He's a FA in the offseason, if he hits say 36-38% of his 3s this year while keeping an Ast% of over 20.0%, fella is gonna get paid.

It's interesting how people trash on the Kings for taking Bagley but the Suns get a pass. Imagine how scary the Suns would be with Doncic. I don't think Booker and Trae would work together due to defensive reasons but they'd be a ton of fun to watch on offense.

Ayton still has a ton of potential too but if the Suns were 1-6 right now...
Baynes also defended Simmons all night. Here is what the Philly Inquirer beat writer Keith Pompey wrote last night:


Best defensive performance: This award goes to Aron Baynes on a night that Ben Simmons finished with seven steals. Four of those steals came in the first quarter, and he added one in the second quarter. But Baynes was solid in guarding Simmons. The point guard finished with a season-low six points on 2-for-8 shooting. The Suns had a great tactic against Simmons, sagging away, cutting off his driving lanes, and having him guarded by Baynes, a center. Baynes responded with a block and two steals.
 

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Baynes also defended Simmons all night. Here is what the Philly Inquirer beat writer Keith Pompey wrote last night:


Best defensive performance: This award goes to Aron Baynes on a night that Ben Simmons finished with seven steals. Four of those steals came in the first quarter, and he added one in the second quarter. But Baynes was solid in guarding Simmons. The point guard finished with a season-low six points on 2-for-8 shooting. The Suns had a great tactic against Simmons, sagging away, cutting off his driving lanes, and having him guarded by Baynes, a center. Baynes responded with a block and two steals.
Good strategy with Embiid out.
 

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Baynes also defended Simmons all night. Here is what the Philly Inquirer beat writer Keith Pompey wrote last night:


Best defensive performance: This award goes to Aron Baynes on a night that Ben Simmons finished with seven steals. Four of those steals came in the first quarter, and he added one in the second quarter. But Baynes was solid in guarding Simmons. The point guard finished with a season-low six points on 2-for-8 shooting. The Suns had a great tactic against Simmons, sagging away, cutting off his driving lanes, and having him guarded by Baynes, a center. Baynes responded with a block and two steals.
Part of this is just Baynes being a really good defender, but I’d like to see Theis on Simmons some in non-Embiid minutes.
 

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A couple other things

1. I'll never understand the Brandon Ingram hate especially when people love Jaylen Brown so much. The advanced metrics hated both of them coming into the year and Ingram is a year younger.

2. I'm worried about Ja Morant's development and the Memphis pick if it rolls over to next year. Speaking of Memphis, I just noticed Josh Jackson was in the developmental league.

3. A 2017 redraft would be very interesting. The draft is insanely deep and this is the year (or next) where the "leap" usually happens. At least 2 guys would drop out of the top 5 (Fultz, Jackson) and others that would drop out of the lottery all together (DSJ, Ntilikina, Monk). It's interesting when a player like Isaac might actually drop on some people's list despite him having massive potential on the defensive end and having a pretty good 3 point shot. Then you have a guy like Bam Adebayo who is averaging 13.8 points, 9.0 rebounds, 5.2 assists, 1.7 blocks, 1.3 steals thru 6 games in Miami at the center spot but probably isn't going to add a 3 point shot anytime soon. Then you obviously have Donovan Mitchell and guys outside the lottery like Collins, Kuzma, J. Allen, Hart, OG). I think Fultz would still go somewhere in the first round though.
 

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A couple other things

1. I'll never understand the Brandon Ingram hate especially when people love Jaylen Brown so much. The advanced metrics hated both of them coming into the year and Ingram is a year younger.

2. I'm worried about Ja Morant's development and the Memphis pick if it rolls over to next year. Speaking of Memphis, I just noticed Josh Jackson was in the developmental league.

3. A 2017 redraft would be very interesting. The draft is insanely deep and this is the year (or next) where the "leap" usually happens. At least 2 guys would drop out of the top 5 (Fultz, Jackson) and others that would drop out of the lottery all together (DSJ, Ntilikina, Monk). It's interesting when a player like Isaac might actually drop on some people's list despite him having massive potential on the defensive end and having a pretty good 3 point shot. Then you have a guy like Bam Adebayo who is averaging 13.8 points, 9.0 rebounds, 5.2 assists, 1.7 blocks, 1.3 steals thru 6 games in Miami at the center spot but probably isn't going to add a 3 point shot anytime soon. Then you obviously have Donovan Mitchell and guys outside the lottery like Collins, Kuzma, J. Allen, Hart, OG). I think Fultz would still go somewhere in the first round though.
Re: #2

Are you concerned that Ja Morant will develop too much and hurt the pick? Or, are you concerned about Memphis being a dumpster fire and hurting his development? Early returns are that this pick has a decent chance of rolling over to 2021 when it would be unencumbered and I feel pretty good about this team being a bottom 6-8 team next year. They are light years away from competing in the West.
 

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Re: #2

Are you concerned that Ja Morant will develop too much and hurt the pick? Or, are you concerned about Memphis being a dumpster fire and hurting his development? Early returns are that this pick has a decent chance of rolling over to 2021 when it would be unencumbered and I feel pretty good about this team being a bottom 6-8 team next year. They are light years away from competing in the West.
Him developing too much and hurting the pick. Although outside of him and Jackson (Jaren), there's not much there so it might not even matter if he does take a huge step next year. They will be way under the cap too though.
 

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I was never a huge fan of Ingram and thought that all of the "Ingram over Simmons" people during the draft were out of their minds.

That being said, he has matured and grown into a good player, but he is very unconventional. Up until this season (and really, so far a SS) he was a scoring wing that didn't really shoot threes. I think he is kind of like Giannis, except he lacks Giannis' elite athleticism and explosiveness. Instead, he has a really soft touch around the basket and uses his great length to angle his shots away from defenders protecting the rim. I guess that is kind of like Kawhi, except Kawhi is a proven knock-down shooter and a better athlete.

Honestly, a big reason people didn't like him was that he was part of the Lakers schadenfreude and for a few years felt like a blown draft pick (Along with Lonzo, Randle and Russell as people who were not as bad as some people made them out to be). I also think just physically, he looks strange because he is so skinny and lanky; he just didn't look like an NBA-ready player.