I think it's a different premise. You can think they're a better team with him and still want him to walk. That's where I am right now.Don’t we already have this thread (better with/without)?
Yeah. Clearly different topics...I think it's a different premise. You can think they're a better team with him and still want him to walk. That's where I am right now.
He is talent that has turned this team into a flaming pile of garbage. There have been plenty of players in the NBA who have been net negatives even considering their amazing talent.People r weird. Just over a year ago, this team was the toast of the town and KI was the leader of said team. Flash-forward a year, take the dame players but add in Gordon Hayward, and let's run KI out of town?
The NBA is a talent league. KI is a more talented than anyone else on this team,
Do you really think KI is playing any differently this year than last year?He is talent that has turned this team into a flaming pile of garbage. There have been plenty of players in the NBA who have been net negatives even considering their amazing talent.
Yep. Keep him.People r weird. Just over a year ago, this team was the toast of the town and KI was the leader of said team. Flash-forward a year, take the dame players but add in Gordon Hayward, and let's run KI out of town?
The NBA is a talent league. KI is a more talented than anyone else on this team,
Exhibit A:He is talent that has turned this team into a flaming pile of garbage. There have been plenty of players in the NBA who have been net negatives even considering their amazing talent.
Karl Malone was far, far, far from a net negativeExhibit A:
Karl Malone
Kemba as plan A? Rubio or Collison as plan B who can play a bit of D but not be explosive on O but can still run an offense?I need to know the non Kyrie plan.
If he splits and Al opts out, who does Ainge target, do we have room for a max?
Smart, JB, Tatum, Healthy Hayward (fingers crossed) is not bad at all
Kemba as plan A? Rubio or Collison as plan B who can play a bit of D but not be explosive on O but can still run an offense?
Maybe Brook Lopez to replace Horford with a different skillset (but can still shoot 3's)?
Not if they keep Brown+Tatum (+Hayward)No chance for Klay, right?
I’m guessing that if Irving and Durant decide to team up on another squad that the plan will be to go after Beal since the Wiz are rebuilding. It would help Boston if Ainge can convince 24/7 Management to do him a solid and let Irving leave via sign & trade so that Boston can offer Washington the benefit of a TPE in a deal that’s likely to be built around Brown/Rozier/Memphis pick for Beal.I need to know the non Kyrie plan.
If he splits and Al opts out, who does Ainge target, do we have room for a max?
Smart, JB, Tatum, Healthy Hayward (fingers crossed) is not bad at all
I’m guessing that if Irving and Durant decide to team up on another squad that the plan will be to go after Beal since the Wiz are rebuilding. It would help Boston if Ainge can convince 24/7 Management to do him a solid and let Irving leave via sign & trade so that Boston can offer Washington the benefit of a TPE in a deal that’s likely to be built around Brown/Rozier/Memphis pick for Beal.
If the Memphis pick conveys when it's unprotected, that could be a top 5 pick with the Griz rebuilding. Brown and that pick seems to be a lot to give up for Beal (but I probably value Brown and his long term potential a lot more than many on here).I’m guessing that if Irving and Durant decide to team up on another squad that the plan will be to go after Beal since the Wiz are rebuilding. It would help Boston if Ainge can convince 24/7 Management to do him a solid and let Irving leave via sign & trade so that Boston can offer Washington the benefit of a TPE in a deal that’s likely to be built around Brown/Rozier/Memphis pick for Beal.
If you're referring to finishing at the rim, JT is at 70% this year (63% as a rookie). For comparison, Paul George is at 63.7. If you're referring to close in, non-layups/dunks, Tatum is at 34.5% (26% last season). Many great players struggle with the close in shot. LeBron is at 28.7%. George is at 37.1,If the C's let Irving walk, who replaces his scoring? I love Jayson Tatum but he has a lot of work to do on learning to finish around the rim (his stats are pretty bad), shot selection overall and defense.
Yeah, none of those guys rates above Kyrie.^
As a neutral observer I think my answer is an easy 8, and that doesn’t count Mitchell, DeRozan, a healthy Oladipo, Griffin and maybe even Deangelo Russell, who I’d have to think more about.
I just don’t think he’s coming back unless Durant forces his way here.Pretty interesting that 41% of respondents only want Kyrie back if AD is coming. That the unconditional support of a Kyrie return is only 18% speaks volumes on how disappointing this season has been for many of us.
You don’t think he comes back if Ainge tells Kyrie that he can deliver AD?I just don’t think he’s coming back unless Durant forces his way here.
Tatum is taking fewer shots versus last year at or near the rim. Also, I cannot get his shot chart to load but opponents should want him to be taking it to the rim on his right as he appears to struggle on that side and is above average when going to his left.If you're referring to finishing at the rim, JT is at 70% this year (63% as a rookie). For comparison, Paul George is at 63.7. If you're referring to close in, non-layups/dunks, Tatum is at 34.5% (26% last season). Many great players struggle with the close in shot. LeBron is at 28.7%. George is at 37.1,
Tatum had a very efficient rookie year, but didn't try generating as much offense as he is doing this season. 57% of his buckets are assisted, to 66% last season. For non-layup two point shots, JT was assisted on 50% of his makes as a rookie, and only 43.7% this year. He made 36.8% of these this season, and 38.7% last season, not big difference in accuracy, but his volume from this range is up. He's taken the same amount in 3/4 of this season as his entire rookie campaign. Of course, JT's not hitting the three as well as last season, .371 to .434, with not much difference on percentage of threes that were assisted, .842 this season to .859 last,
I understand what you are saying but KI also wanted to be the lead guy on a championship-caliber team and as pointed out above, there aren't a lot of places to which he could go where he would be the lead guy and still have any shot at all to compete in the playoffs.And while we can say confidently that Tatum ia young yet and should get there, I can see how Kyrie might have reservations about waiting for that given that he is currently in the middle of his own career/peak performance window.
He might, but I’m on record as saying I want no part of the Klutch Killer Klown Show. It will be a repeat of this year with LeBron’s agency starting tire fires in the press in order to poison the clubhouse. And a whole ‘nother year of “Will he stay or will he go” ending in his departure.You don’t think he comes back if Ainge tells Kyrie that he can deliver AD?
Not that this would ever be an actual question but shouldn’t be close. You can find a quality head coach for this team by snapping your finger. You aren’t going to snap your finger and acquire a Top 10-15 player in the league for nothing.Here’s a crazy thought: what if Kyrie says “It’s either me or Brad” – who do you keep?
Actually not true. You can find top players on the FA market but top coaches are already coaching for other teams.Not that this would ever be an actual question but shouldn’t be close. You can find a quality head coach for this team by snapping your finger. You aren’t going to snap your finger and acquire a Top 10-15 player in the league for nothing.
We cannot sign this level of a FA as we are well over the cap. Some of the “best” coaches in the league have switched teams as free agents and available on the open market without cap restrictions while providing little impact.Actually not true. You can find top players on the FA market but top coaches are already coaching for other teams.
Not if either Kyrie or Al decline their option.We cannot sign this level of a FA as we are well over the cap. Some of the “best” coaches in the league have switched teams as free agents and available on the open market without cap restrictions while providing little impact.
Is this crazy because we've never heard of anything regarding Brad from Kyrie except he loves playing for him?Here’s a crazy thought: what if Kyrie says “It’s either me or Brad” – who do you keep?
Basically this. If you want to win a championship in the near future, Kyrie must stay and he must attract another superstar (Davis or, possibly, Durant).If you think that you can trade for AD, fix the redundancies on the roster, get a semblance of Hayward back, re-sign Horford to a 3/60 type deal, and convince Kyrie to re-sign based on all those, I can see the logic in just sucking it up wrt #2 for the rest of this year, since Kyrie+AD+Smart+Horford+90% Gordon is a really, really good team that likely wouldn't have the chemistry issues and incentive mismatches of the current group.
Obviously the fear is that Kyrie completely checks out based on this year's results and doesn't re-sign, even with an AD deal in place. At that point the decision is somewhat made for the Celtics anyway, and they can pass on the AD deal and build around the younger core.
Yup. Budenholzer in Milwaukee, Nurse in Toronto, D'Antoni in Houston...hell, even Kerr was available when the Warriors wanted him.We cannot sign this level of a FA as we are well over the cap. Some of the “best” coaches in the league have switched teams as free agents and available on the open market without cap restrictions while providing little impact.