Byerie Irving? Do you want Kyrie back?

What are your thoughts on Kyrie?

  • I want him back on max deal no matter what

    Votes: 60 19.5%
  • I want him back on max deal ONLY if AD is also coming

    Votes: 85 27.6%
  • I’m done with him and don’t want him back under any circumstances

    Votes: 109 35.4%
  • Not sure - I want to see how the playoffs go first

    Votes: 54 17.5%

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DrewDawg

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An exhausting bullshit artist. I only have the bandwidth to deal with the one we have in the White House.

Using the death of a loved one to excuse/rationalize behavior that seems consistent with who he is, and is consistent with prior behavior, is a stretch. It seemed clear that he resented the success the kids had in the 2018 playoffs and his attempt to re-assert himself as the team's leader (mostly by telling everyone he was a leader, versus acting the part) blew up in his, and the team's, face. I have no idea how much of a role grief played in that. I do know that this type of behavior has been a pattern for him for the better part of his career. He's an uber-talented, uber-temperamental dude. Hopefully he finds an even keel in NJ.
I think it was Jackie Mac, on a podcast the other day, that said the remaining Celtics were thrilled he left and *love* Kemba. Now some of that is loving who's there, but Jackie is pretty plugged in.

EDIT: Windhorst's pod. Seems like it was Windhorst, who was in Australia, that mentioned how much they like Kemba. And he said it was clear they were drawing a distinction to Kyrie. Jackie's quote, regarding the Celtics attitude towards Kyrie, from FO on down, was "Don't let the door hit you."

 
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HowBoutDemSox

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I think it was Jackie Mac, on a podcast the other day, that said the remaining Celtics were thrilled he left and *love* Kemba. Now some of that is loving who's there, but Jackie is pretty plugged in.

EDIT: Windhorst's pod. Seems like it was Windhorst, who was in Australia, that mentioned how much they like Kemba. And he said it was clear they were drawing a distinction to Kyrie. Jackie's quote, regarding the Celtics attitude towards Kyrie, from FO on down, was "Don't let the door hit you."

I get the feeling there’s a great book to be written about last year’s Celtics, about the personalities and motivations and dynamics that lead what was such a promising season to collapse into the mess that it became. I hope Jackie Mac writes it one day, though I don’t know if everyone whose voice would be important will agree to speak directly enough to provide the necessary material.
 

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I think it was Jackie Mac, on a podcast the other day, that said the remaining Celtics were thrilled he left and *love* Kemba. Now some of that is loving who's there, but Jackie is pretty plugged in.

EDIT: Windhorst's pod. Seems like it was Windhorst, who was in Australia, that mentioned how much they like Kemba. And he said it was clear they were drawing a distinction to Kyrie. Jackie's quote, regarding the Celtics attitude towards Kyrie, from FO on down, was "Don't let the door hit you."

Thanks for the forward; will listen this afternoon. Really excited to root for these guys this season.
 

lexrageorge

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I get the feeling there’s a great book to be written about last year’s Celtics, about the personalities and motivations and dynamics that lead what was such a promising season to collapse into the mess that it became. I hope Jackie Mac writes it one day, though I don’t know if everyone whose voice would be important will agree to speak directly enough to provide the necessary material.
The players whom I feel would provide the most interesting insight would be guys like Al Horford, Marcus Smart, and even Marcus Morris. I realize Morris generated a lot of hatred here, but he's been around the league to some extent. But, as noted, it would be interesting to see if any of them would be willing to talk. At the same time, it's not the end of the world if there's no more to be written either.
 

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As mentioned by others, this really feels like a guy who knows he publicly welched trying to rationalize. He put out the Nike commercial after his grandfather passed, and clearly gave the FO the impression in January that there was still a good chance he'd re-sign, even when people around the league already knew he was going to Brooklyn.

Nobody wants to be the bad guy in their own mind, but that doesn't mean I have to believe his BS. I'm honestly mostly disappointed that Danny didn't get a better read in-season.
 

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As mentioned by others, this really feels like a guy who knows he publicly welched trying to rationalize. He put out the Nike commercial after his grandfather passed, and clearly gave the FO the impression in January that there was still a good chance he'd re-sign, even when people around the league already knew he was going to Brooklyn.

Nobody wants to be the bad guy in their own mind, but that doesn't mean I have to believe his BS. I'm honestly mostly disappointed that Danny didn't get a better read in-season.
I'm not sure this is entirely accurate or, rather, that he didn't. The Celtics were flawed but still very much in contention for a prime seeding until they didn't, but still managed to win 5 straight postseason games before being waxed. I think Ainge knew that keeping Kyrie was the best chance of the team still getting back to the ECF and maybe another crack at making the Finals, maybe gambling that his being a competitor would make him into a weapon in the postseason and the best-case scenario was a Finals berth, maybe a title, and then he walks away or decides in the afterglow of winning a title and being The Man again in Boston, he'd re-sign and he a happy camper again. Trading him away for what would have likely been lesser players (even if better team players) when there was still a chance to get a top three seed was probably less ideal than going for it and hoping for the best. They were basically a lock to make the playoffs and trading a great postseason player before making the tournament was probably a non-starter in the FO, even as much as they may have been tired of his act at that point. He wouldn't be the first player to have worn out his welcome with the office but still finish the season because he's among the elite in the game in the history of basketball or sports in general. Danny played the cards he was dealt but someone had a better hand when the flop came out.
 

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On the other hand, if they’d dealt him for Crabbe, Dinwiddie, and a 2020 #1 they’d be looking pretty good today. ;)
 

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I'm not sure this is entirely accurate or, rather, that he didn't. The Celtics were flawed but still very much in contention for a prime seeding until they didn't, but still managed to win 5 straight postseason games before being waxed. I think Ainge knew that keeping Kyrie was the best chance of the team still getting back to the ECF and maybe another crack at making the Finals, maybe gambling that his being a competitor would make him into a weapon in the postseason and the best-case scenario was a Finals berth, maybe a title, and then he walks away or decides in the afterglow of winning a title and being The Man again in Boston, he'd re-sign and he a happy camper again. Trading him away for what would have likely been lesser players (even if better team players) when there was still a chance to get a top three seed was probably less ideal than going for it and hoping for the best. They were basically a lock to make the playoffs and trading a great postseason player before making the tournament was probably a non-starter in the FO, even as much as they may have been tired of his act at that point. He wouldn't be the first player to have worn out his welcome with the office but still finish the season because he's among the elite in the game in the history of basketball or sports in general. Danny played the cards he was dealt but someone had a better hand when the flop came out.
Meh. Danny and Brad are excellent at what they do and I don't pine for anyone else, but both get Gentlemen C's for their performance last year.

Danny was dealing with plenty of moving pieces (ie AD/Rich Paul situation, Horford ext, Kyrie contract, etc) but misread most if not all the tea leaves last season. And I'm not really getting Danny's comment/stance this Summer about "Jaylen Brown's curious question?". One of the culprits to last seasons underperformance was the vets VS the young guys narrative perpetuated by Kyrie. I imagine, an extremely intelligent, Jaylen wryly asked Danny that question just to get a rise over lunch, regardless, it should have died there. Maybe Danny shouldn't try to isolate or embarrass the kid like Kyrie tried to do all last year.

 
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lexrageorge

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Meh. Danny and Brad are excellent at what they do and I don't pine for anyone else, but both get Gentlemen C's for their performance last year.

Danny was dealing with plenty of moving pieces (ie AD/Rich Paul situation, Horford ext, Kyrie contract, etc) but misread most if not all the tea leaves last season. And I'm not really getting Danny's comment/stance this Summer about "Jaylen Brown's curious question?". One of the culprits to last seasons underperformance was the vets VS the young guys narrative perpetuated by Kyrie. I imagine, an extremely intelligent, Jaylen wryly asked Danny that question just to get a rise over lunch, regardless, it should have died there. Maybe Danny shouldn't try to isolate or embarrass the kid like Kyrie tried to do all last year.

The reporter left out quite a few telling quotes from the actual podcast interview:


Yet despite the well-documented obstacles along the way, Celtics president of basketball operations Danny Ainge was impressed with what he saw from the third-year swingman.

"He might have handled a difficult situation better than anybody on our team last year," Ainge said during a recent taping of The Michael Holley Podcast alongside Celtics managing partners Wyc Grousbeck and Steve Pagliuca. "Very mature kid, wants to be great, knows that his time is coming."

"It's hard for him to be patient, but he has been patient. And he continues to work," Ainge continued. "He's trying to find ways to get better, and I think Jaylen's going to be a very good player and has a very bright future."
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Right now, that future includes a stint alongside teammates Kemba Walker, Jayson Tatum and Marcus Smart on the U.S. National Team. Yet Ainge said it was the Celtics' past that Brown had some trouble wrapping his head around.

"He came and sat behind me, and he said, 'Do you think we're as good as the 1986 Celtics team?' " Ainge told host Michael Holley. "And I went, 'Oh my gosh. He's so young.' "

Brown wasn't even born until 10 years after the '86 Celtics steamrolled to a championship after a 67-win season. And to Ainge, Brown's comparison was a sign of naivete.

"I mean, I just don't think they could even grasp that 1985 loss to the Lakers and the torture of that series and what that led (to), and Larry Bird was in his prime, one of the greatest Celtics of all time," Ainge said. "But it was just fascinating. (Brown) was looking at it like matchup to matchup to matchup, like you're doing a video game. That was a real awakening to me -- just the perspective of guys."
Bottom line is that this is a nothing burger. If Brown has difficulty with what was said in the above podcast, or what was written and extrapolated by a reporter for McPaper, then he's going to be troubled by a lot of things in his career.
 

lovegtm

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The reporter left out quite a few telling quotes from the actual podcast interview:




Bottom line is that this is a nothing burger. If Brown has difficulty with what was said in the above podcast, or what was written and extrapolated by a reporter for McPaper, then he's going to be troubled by a lot of things in his career.
Yeah, NBA players are confident about themselves and their teams. In other news, water still wet.
 

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I think admitting that a life event impacted you negatively, and that you weren’t the best employee you could have been, shows self awareness or at least that you’re trying. Still glad he’s gone.
 

lovegtm

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I think admitting that a life event impacted you negatively, and that you weren’t the best employee you could have been, shows self awareness or at least that you’re trying. Still glad he’s gone.
It more looks to me that he had a few months to get his story straight, and this is what he settled on to be the good guy in his own mind.

The instinct to not back out of deals and to punish those who do is really, really, really strong in humans, for obvious reasons. Going against that publicly requires a lot of rationalization. I'd guess that both things are true: the loss hit him really hard, and he also was dissatisfied in Boston and needed a reason to justify backing out of multiple very public commitments.
 

benhogan

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What is it about this guy and breaking his face?
Kyrie is the NBA version of the villain Elijah "Mr. Glass" Price.... embedded Celtic RR to the rescue.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tmzbosye2-Y
 
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