Not really for RFAs. Only guy who got 20M was Otto Porter, only other guy that got close was Tim Hardaway Jr. in maybe the most laughable contract of the summer.
They have until Thursday via league rules but could mutually agree to longer.
Agreed. Plus, his game requires the team to think about things a certain way---he's a horrible shooter and doesn't have an obvious position for many teams. What he is good at is tough to see and fit in with many schemes.
The teams that, realistically, have the cap space to sign any FA at that level are Philly, Chicago, LA, Dallas, Atlanta, Phoenix, Denver, and Utah (Brooklyn could offer $17M in year 1, then it drops off dramatically).
Screw Cleveland. Let the deal fall through. Don't give 'em a nickel more. Yeah you'd have some bad blood now, with Thomas and Crowder coming back, but Thomas will be gone after this year anyway. That's clear now. And Crowder will be trade bait. And they get to keep the Nets pick for the future, which is what they should build for, because they're not beating Golden State even with Irving.
One thought; they are embarrassed IT probably won't be able to play opening night and might be out for a bit - though will play this season. More face saving move to get a 2nd rounder or late 1st so they can show the league and fans it was worth it. Extortion is another word that comes to mind.
Pretty sure that, procedurally, once submitted to the league all players are 'on hold' until the deadline to accept or reject the physicals, which I've seen reported as Thursday. Teams can jointly agree to extend that, and presumably they could jointly agree to call it off before then. But I don't think there can be a deal involving any of these players until one of those things happens.
I assume they would first need to void the deal before they could trade Irving, and if they were found to be negotiating with other teams now they would be in a heap of trouble. (Not that they will be).
Cleveland could void the trade. If the Celtics felt that this was unjustified, maybe they could file a complaint with the league.
thanks.
"Nothing" could simply be Ainge's opening "offer". He's can't simply throw in a pick. Cavs need to make first offer.
This sounds right. Hell, all Cleveland had to do was read the newspaper to see Thomas had a labral tear. Those things don't magically heal, though they can be managed.
He'll never reach free agency, they're going to sign him to an extension this fall.
The trade is still technically binding, until the deadline. If the Celtics felt that Cleveland had all the info about the injury, and that IT's physical showed nothing new, the Celtics would definitely file a grievance, and probably win. Agree it would get very ugly. But Silver is not going to let GM's formalize trades just so they can publicly auction players after the fact.
Or LeBron not realizing how cooked Izayer's hip was, then changing his mind when the realization sank in.
Given that he is in the last year of his deal, is IT4 supposed to be considered a positive asset in this trade or a negative one? And is there anything that determines that beyond medical assessments as to when and how much time he can spend on the court this next season? Seems like a potentially large swing in value based purely on medical assessments.
Yes this is really hard to understand.
Doncic is not a point guard, he MAY be a primary instigator and could be a Sg or even a SF
There's no question that IT has positive trade value given his low salary. How positive is, I think, is open to debate but unless he is literally missing the entire season there's still value in that skillset at that salary.
How could he be a negative asset on a one year deal at tiny money?
I don't, not at all. I'm just going off of the only public information I saw, when Ainge said "There's gonna be probably a little bit of a delay for Isaiah as he starts the season this year, but I think that Isaiah should be fine and healthy as the season goes along,".
Come on, you're joking, right? IT4 finished #3 in scoring/#5 in MVP vote*, he is getting paid $6.2MM this year. He'd be the 8th highest paid player on the Cavs roster next season. That's an absolute steal if he plays half the season. He was clearly considered a positive asset in this deal by both the Cavs and Celtics.
Then, how can you say there's no way Celtics could win a grievance if you have no idea what was said or shared between the teams? it's silly.
I said this in my first post on this topic:
So yeah, if the above is true, IT4 is a negative asset for this next season. Even at small money.
But the point that's been made to you is that you have no idea if those assumptions are true---we have no evidence suggesting IT is going to miss the entire season, and absent that he does not have negative trade value. Is it possible? Sure---we don't know much. But, it's also possible Kyrie has some previously undiscovered illness that will show up in his Celtics physical. In both scenarios (which I acknowledge are not equally likely) it's important to separate what we know from what we don't and you are struggling to do so.
