If they got #3 (and draft Jackson) plus 2 more picks in next years top 5, would 3 picks in the top 5 in 2018 plus roster pieces like Crowder get in the Westbrook trade territory?
The Plan For the #1, er, #3 Overall Pick?
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Isn't Jackson basically Jaylen Brown? I don't get it. Why do they need another wing that can't shoot?
I'm distraught. Danny is usually on the money but sometimes he gets obsessed with a player and loses all reason (Robert Swift, Marcus Banks, Justise Winslow). Seems like he loves t-rex Jackson
I'd have to see the final package, but I REALLY REALLY hate a trade down. Fultz is the best player in this draft, Jackson is a distant 2nd to me (and you might not get him, if he goes 2 you're stuck with Ball who I think is Ricky Rubio with shitty defense, Tatum or Isaac).
And Hayward, which leads me to think he wants to trade out entirely, trade for Butler and sign Hayward and play to lose in the finals for a few years and then???
Adam ZagoriaVerified account @AdamZagoria 2m2 minutes ago
The Celtics could also be acquiring more first-round picks to deal for Jimmy Butler, per league source.
The Celtics could also be acquiring more first-round picks to deal for Jimmy Butler, per league source.
Don't forget Marcus is likely still going to be on the team. We might only score 50 a game, but gosh they'll try hard while doing it!
Maybe after watching The Finals he realized he didn't want to wait out the Warriors for 3-4 years and decided to go for it. I suspect the assets he would collect are agreed upon as compensation for a whopper of a superstar deal.
Risking the future to get swept by the Warriors and spend 2021 - 2025 watching the Sixers kick our asses.
I'm not sure what finals he was watching then, they looked pretty unbeatable to me against the best player in the world and some pretty accomplished sidekicks.
I cannot comprehend how watching GSW in the playoffs this year would make you want to go for it, where you were previously on the fence about it.
Davis is the only guy but no idea why he would be available unless New Orleans knows something about his health that makes him a huge risk.
Jeff GoodmanVerified account @GoodmanESPN 20s21 seconds ago
Just got off phone with another NBA guy — said same thing. Less disparity this year from 1 to 4 than in a long, long time.
Just got off phone with another NBA guy — said same thing. Less disparity this year from 1 to 4 than in a long, long time.
Unless 3 of the top 5 picks in next year's draft plus players is enough to have them reboot.
that's interesting, because most evaluators I've seen seem to have Fultz a clear level above (or at worst Fultz and 1 other guy a clear tier up).
Please god no. No no no.
Butler will not get this team close to the title. Their window is post GS dynasty. They have a chance (finally!!!) to land the clear number one guy in the draft, a real stud, and they're maybe looking to trade out of that to acquire Butler?
Please stop doing drugs Danny.
Trade the number one for the three and Philly's unprotected 2018 pick, draft Jackson at 3 and next year get two of Porter, Doncic, Ayton, Bamba. Unlikely to break down that way but that would be one of the only scenarios I would take over drafting Fultz.
Steve is a very reputable source.
Steve KylerVerified account @stevekylerNBA 14s14 seconds ago
Hearing same thing as @DraftExpress - this is not done. 76ers trying to see if price tag is worth it. 76ers need/want this more than C's do.
Steve KylerVerified account @stevekylerNBA 14s14 seconds ago
Hearing same thing as @DraftExpress - this is not done. 76ers trying to see if price tag is worth it. 76ers need/want this more than C's do.
The Butler stuff is just pure speculation. Stop treating it like its a sourced quote.
Honestly, if you can turn one top five pick into 3, you do it. Not saying that's for sure what will happen, and I love Fultz, but we're all getting a bit freaked out here. This draft is very, very deep.
Let's see what the deal is before we react: and what those picks might be used for. If it's Davis, holy shit. If it's just the picks, I'm still on board.
Honestly, if you can turn one top five pick into 3, you do it. Not saying that's for sure what will happen, and I love Fultz, but we're all getting a bit freaked out here. This draft is very, very deep.
Let's see what the deal is before we react: and what those picks might be used for. If it's Davis, holy shit. If it's just the picks, I'm still on board.
Step away from the ledge. Ainge's track record in trades is excellent. Let's at least see the return.
Sam AmickVerified account @sam_amick 4m4 minutes ago
Sense from involved parties in Boston-Philly talks is Cs are all in. Checking physicals, poised to give No. 1 for package centered on No. 3
Sense from involved parties in Boston-Philly talks is Cs are all in. Checking physicals, poised to give No. 1 for package centered on No. 3
"as many as six draft picks, including four potential first-round selections"
That could mean anything. I've always suspected they just offered a combination of 2nd rounders, and low/heavily protected 1st rounders. Because there's zero chance Charlotte would have rejected a deal that included a Brooklyn pick AND a bunch of other stuff.
So we're evaluating Ainge now on rumored trades that didn't occur?
That seems unreasonable.
Danny wants his Joe Barry Carroll trade.
If Philly wants this more than the Celts, get their Parrish and the #3 (and the Lakers '18 #1)
If Philly wants this more than the Celts, get their Parrish and the #3 (and the Lakers '18 #1)
I think the approach to take is to think about what it would take to get you to bite. I think Fultz is way better than the rest of the guys (pending medical, yes) but
2017 #3
2018 better of Lakers or Sixers
2019 better of Sacto or Sixers (automatically Sacto if C's take Sixers pick in 18)
2020 or 2021 Sixers unprotected depending on the 2019 pick
all unprotected
would at least give me some pause.
2017 #3
2018 better of Lakers or Sixers
2019 better of Sacto or Sixers (automatically Sacto if C's take Sixers pick in 18)
2020 or 2021 Sixers unprotected depending on the 2019 pick
all unprotected
would at least give me some pause.
I think the concern is less about the idea of trading the pick than the idea of what we using the return on. If he wants to draft another good athlete who can't shoot then that will likely turn out badly. If he wants to trade the future for Butler now then that will also likely turn out badly. This is a strategic criticism rather than a criticism of the trade's value per se.
I have no objection to Josh Jackson in a vacuum, but it makes no sense to draft him when you drafted Jaylen Brown the year before. This is not as stupid as David Kahn drafting Johnny Flynn and Ricky Rubio in the same year, but it is close.
I also really like Isaac, but he is not capable of being the best guy on a championship team. You wouldn't trade Russell Westbrook or Kyrie Irving for Serge Ibaka or Paul Millsap.
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That's the thing. I don't think Philly touches a deal like that (they'd probably just trade for stars with all that instead) so we're left with less if this goes through.
Zach Lowe on SC: "Could be one of 2 things or both. If you can get Jackson at 3 why not get more to do it or if you need more picks for Butler you do it. It's an enormous gamble. I would say it looks very likely to happen. The terms are essentially agreed to. Right now it's strictly picks. It's the #3 and a future 1st."
This would give me more than some pause. I'd pull the trigger on this, even though I like Fultz a lot. But this is the kind of extreme haul it would need to be.
The reporter who tweeted about Butler is Adam Zagoria who is very reputable in the basketball world. If he's hearing from his sources that Butler may be in play then it's not being made up in thin air.
Wouldn't Philly '18 need to be a swap due to the Stepien Rule?
If the other shoe doesn't drop with The 'Brow on it, I'll be disappointed in this.
My impression from listening to Lowe is that the #3 and a future 1st is the major part of the deal. I feel like there would be more in the package than that.
Is it just me or does that seem not nearly enough to pull the trigger on this deal?
If Danny makes this trade he HAS to be right. If Fultz ends up being a stud and his plan (whatever it is) doesn't pan out, this could be Billy King-esque.
Edit: Especially since you are setting Philly up to be a potentially dominant team.
Edit: Especially since you are setting Philly up to be a potentially dominant team.