One would think that someone with as much inside information as you would have better grammar.They could of got him for Margot but our idiot GM traded 3 prospects for a reliever last year. What a joke.
One would think that someone with as much inside information as you would have better grammar.They could of got him for Margot but our idiot GM traded 3 prospects for a reliever last year. What a joke.
They have the best offense in the AL this year. They needed another starter right now. They gave up quality to get quality. Sign me up in favor of this deal. Who knows what happens next year?Yeah, I'm fine with dealing away Espinoza, but I probably would have preferred to hang on to him until the offseason when maybe some more impactful players may be available (Gerrit Cole?)
Get off your pedal stool.One would think that someone with as much inside information as you would have better grammar.
Do we have anything actually confirmed or just a bunch of people on twitter saying Espinoza and potentially nothing else for Pomeranz.
Heading in the right direction at the very least. Given the changes discussed in the earlier linked fangraphs articles thats very promising.Don't like Pomeranz that much, but I'm fine with this. There is a decent chance Espinoza never even gets to the majors. We might be in the same position this offseason though, Pomeranz' walk rate is too high for my taste.
Don't tell RevDon't go over to Soxprospects. The mood is like the end of Old Yeller.
Great point. Clay's lack of ability to be a reliable starting pitcher did force DD's hand.If this is straight-up its dealable.
Sox needed a 3-4 guy now.
We'll moan about Espy in 2021 when he's painting at 98.
I blame Clay Buchholz for putting DD into this position.
Cliched "if it hurts both teams fan bases, then it's probably....."Basically gave up a young power pitching prospect for a cost controlled mid 2 era starter on the same day we signed the lefty version of Espinoza. Can't get quality without giving up something.
Getting worse. They already have a fire Dombrowski thread and it's like a morgue over there.Don't tell Rev
This post is a joke.They could of got him for Margot but our idiot GM traded 3 prospects for a reliever last year. What a joke.
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It confirms Espinoza ONLY for Pomeranz.
No, I mean don't tell Rev about Ol' Yeller. He hasn't read it or seen the movie and doesn't want to be spoiled.Getting worse. They already have a fire Dombrowski thread and it's like a morgue over there.
In the few times I've ventured over there, I've gotten the impression that if they traded Sean Coyle straight up for Mike Trout, there would be folks there who would be apoplectic about it.Getting worse. They already have a fire Dombrowski thread and it's like a morgue over there.
He never finishes a game with a clean uniform. This one time, guy at the plate stared him down so he gave him some high heat and sat his ass down.Maybe a dumb question but have any of you watch this Pomeranz guy pitch? How good is he? Is he the number 2 starter?
Basically gave up a young power pitching prospect for a cost controlled mid 2 era starter on the same day we signed the lefty version of Espinoza. Can't get quality without giving up something.
Margot is rated anywhere from 20-50 in all publications and Logan Allen has been great this year. Mediocre?This post is a joke.
3 mediocre prospects (the centerpiece of which was very blocked) for one of the best relievers in the majors on a team that desperately needed bullpen help.
One starting prospect that, yes, has a ton of potential but is at the very least 4 (and realistically 5) years out to fill a HUGE gaping hole on a competitive major-league squad with a guy that's 7th in the majors in ERA+. If Espinoza ever makes it, and that's still a very large if, it wouldn't be until most of the current roster is turned over.
This is a good trade, and I absolutely love DD's aggressiveness in identifying and solidifying weaknesses on the major-league squad while avoiding trading his top and most valued pieces (in the past calendar year, those would be Mookie, Xander, Moncada, and Benintendi.)
I've seen a start and change of his; I remember he had two consecutive tough-luck losses against the Giants, losing 1-0 and 2-1 to two consecutive Cueto complete games. Takeaway: he throws a ton of curveballs, and doesn't give up much in the way of hard contact.Maybe a dumb question but have any of you watch this Pomeranz guy pitch? How good is he? Is he the number 2 starter?
Yeah, it's always preferable to trade the dudes Pedro says "trade this dude" about.I'm not a fan of trading dudes Pedro Martinez says "don't trade this guy" about
He has a low 90's fastball that he throws at a really interesting angle, he's really good at getting it in on righties and they don't seem to pick it up well.Maybe a dumb question but have any of you watch this Pomeranz guy pitch? How good is he? Is he the number 2 starter?
Wait your first post was serious? I assumed you were trolling.Margot is rated anywhere from 20-50 in all publications and Logan Allen has been great this year. Mediocre?
It's a fine trade but signing Groome doesn't make it any better or worse. They're signing Groome either way.Again I'll ask this since most are irrationally freaking out. How is this a bad trade? You give up Espinoza for a known commodity in Pomeranz with 2.5 seasons of control AND replace that hole in the system with a pitcher who was a candidate to go 1/1 and is the same age.
Margot is hitting at a .771 OPS in AAA and Allen is a 19 year old with decent but not overpowering (3.07 ERA, 1.27 WHIP, under 9 K/9) numbers in A-ball.Margot is rated anywhere from 20-50 in all publications and Logan Allen has been great this year. Mediocre?
DD got fleeced
Got Cardinalsed by the same team in less than a year
Best pitching prospect, top 20 overall
Fleeced
There is panic on Yawkey Way
Ya know, when I first read the news and came in here, I was really on the fence on how to feel, Espinoza was definitely a gut punch to read. Thank you both (among others) for helping me cement my opinion as firmly in favor of the trade.They could of got him for Margot but our idiot GM traded 3 prospects for a reliever last year. What a joke.
I'm not a fan. But, as I mentioned before can anyone tell me what prospect DD has traded that's come back to bite him in the ass? I can't really think of any.I don't like this trade either. That said, I saw Pomeranz pitch in person against the Yankees two weeks ago here in SD. He looked great and had the Yankees off balance all game. His curveball was pretty dominant that night.
7 Innings
5 Hits
1 Run
0 Walks
7 Strikeouts
What Groome is as a prospect has nothing to do with Espinoza. And the pitching hole in the system is as wide as its ever been, with now only a meathead standing between the GCL and Fenway.Again I'll ask this since most are irrationally freaking out. How is this a bad trade? You give up Espinoza for a known commodity in Pomeranz with 2.5 seasons of control AND replace that hole in the system with a pitcher who was a candidate to go 1/1 and is the same age.
I'm not a fan. But, as I mentioned before can anyone tell me what prospect DD has traded that's come back to bite him in the ass? I can't really think of any.
He's actually in Low A, not High A.Espinoza has a fantastic ceiling but he has struggled a bit to display control in high A and it is a long way to the bigs yet for him. This club is poised to win now and over the next few seasons, this move maximizes that possibility when the FA pitching market has pretty sparse options for the off-season. You have to give to get and the Sox are better off by getting a younger guy with multiple years of control.
It's the best of both worlds. Pomeranz helps the rotation now and you still have the promise of a very young and talented prospect.It's a fine trade but signing Groome doesn't make it any better or worse. They're signing Groome either way.
It's Pomeranz + Groome vs Espinoza and Groome.
Randy JohnsonI'm not a fan. But, as I mentioned before can anyone tell me what prospect DD has traded that's come back to bite him in the ass? I can't really think of any.
Not saying anything about Pomeranz either way, but plenty of pitchers have looked dominant against NY this year, good ones, mediocre ones, awful ones. Tyler Duffey and Miguel Gonzalez had similar lines against NY the same week as the Pomeranz game.I don't like this trade either. That said, I saw Pomeranz pitch in person against the Yankees two weeks ago here in SD. He looked great and had the Yankees off balance all game. His curveball was pretty dominant that night.
7 Innings
5 Hits
1 Run
0 Walks
7 Strikeouts
And to this point I will additionally note that Casey Kelley hasn't really become anything, and they probably should have traded Owens back when he was a top-20 prospect.I'm not a fan. But, as I mentioned before can anyone tell me what prospect DD has traded that's come back to bite him in the ass? I can't really think of any.