He's played one game, and hit 11/17 which is right in line with his NCAA numbers. As he gets NBA coaching and becomes more consistent in his form, I would assume (hope) that would come.
Celtics 2016 Summer League Thread
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Utterly lost, but nimble and strong.
Rozier looked great, aggressive and confident. Hopefully he'll contribute as a scorer off the bench.
Brown had a very nice debut, love how he attacks the basket. Gonna be fun to watch him play with a real point guard and some space.
Simmons just has ridiculous vision for a kid that age and size, both on the break and from the half court. Him to Luwawu could be a fun combo for Sixers fans for a long time.
I think you nailed it with consistency. His made free throws looked effortless and were nothing but net. Not like he was struggling to get makes. Misses looked off. Seems like an area for coaching focus
He was 8-10 at one point and then missed 3 out of his next 4; actually looked winded for those (announcers mentioned this). Nice to see him hit 2 3Ps.
Also, it was nice to see that he didn't seem to be bothered by how physical Philly was playing him. Even though he's 6'7", 220, it seems like he still has room to grow. If he can add 20 pounds and keep his explosiveness, he could be really good.
DA asked on draft day why he should give up all of the Cs assets for Jimmy Butler when Brown has chance to be Butler. Seems pretty astute to me.
Brown, Smart, Rozier, Crowder, AB have the potential to be ferocious defenders. Junkyard dogs. Brown will help solidify the Celts' defensive identity if he improves.
I also thought D. Jackson had a few moments as well.
Rozier was easily the C's best player tonight.
I also thought D. Jackson had a few moments as well.
Rozier was easily the C's best player tonight.
I loved how Rozier grew as a player as his rookie year wore on. That was a good sign and the biggest improvement you typically see with a rookie is during their first offseason. I'm very excited about Rozier as a player.
Brown is a shot creator with a lethal first step as he showed at Cal. Once he gets comfortable in a structured system and gets a couple years under his belt to develop a consistent perimeter game while gaining an understanding of what he can and cannot do on the floor the kid is really going to be something. Sky is the limit.......just remember how young he is this season. I want to see him mature at the same pace as Rozier in his first 12 months as a Celtic.
Brown is a shot creator with a lethal first step as he showed at Cal. Once he gets comfortable in a structured system and gets a couple years under his belt to develop a consistent perimeter game while gaining an understanding of what he can and cannot do on the floor the kid is really going to be something. Sky is the limit.......just remember how young he is this season. I want to see him mature at the same pace as Rozier in his first 12 months as a Celtic.
55 posts for yesterday's game and none for tonight?! The C's beat the Jazz tonight without Jaylen Brown playing (oh that's why no one is posting). Anyway, Rozier again payed a solid game and I think can make Avery Bradley expendable trade bait if he keeps improving his game. The French guy looked pretty good and I can begin to see what the C's like him - he's like a more fit version of Sullinger. James Young hit 4 of 5 three pointers and I just hope either he or Hunter emerge as a legit long-range sniper during the regular season. I wish Young had a more diverse game, though. He should watch old videos of PP to learn how to take it to the hoop
I watched 2/3rds of the game. Rozier looked decent; Jackson has some real potential that he should explore in the D-league; the other guys are projects (or worse).
James Young, I hate to say, does not seem to have a NBA future right now. He has minus minus lateral quickness and a mediocre first step. He really can't defend anyone. Too bad.
I kind of like Bentil. Young plays like he's exhausted. Rozier's legit
Young's got a pretty stroke, but he's very limited as a spot-up shooter on offense, and as mentioned his defense is poor.
I really like Rozier's confidence and moxie. He fits the personality of a Stevens team well.
Yabusele may actually turn into something. Strong like bull. Kinda wish he could be put into the Celt's S&C program just to tone him up a little (although I have no idea whether the program his French team utilizes is legitimate or not). Even though he's only 20, I'd hate to see him turn into a tub of goo like Sullinger.
The Celtics are featuring such a small team (Bentil and Pinkston constitute the biggest guys, and they've show very limited upside to this point). Miller works his butt off, but he's just too small to guard the guys he's taking on. Lyles was flinging him around last night.
I've been impressed that this squad has not been as sloppy and spastic as the most recent 2-3 summer squads, though with Young, Rozier, Thornton, Hunter et al repeating we should expect a little more cohesion compared to previous Celtic editions.
Can't wait to see Mickey on the Vegas squad.
I really like Rozier's confidence and moxie. He fits the personality of a Stevens team well.
Yabusele may actually turn into something. Strong like bull. Kinda wish he could be put into the Celt's S&C program just to tone him up a little (although I have no idea whether the program his French team utilizes is legitimate or not). Even though he's only 20, I'd hate to see him turn into a tub of goo like Sullinger.
The Celtics are featuring such a small team (Bentil and Pinkston constitute the biggest guys, and they've show very limited upside to this point). Miller works his butt off, but he's just too small to guard the guys he's taking on. Lyles was flinging him around last night.
I've been impressed that this squad has not been as sloppy and spastic as the most recent 2-3 summer squads, though with Young, Rozier, Thornton, Hunter et al repeating we should expect a little more cohesion compared to previous Celtic editions.
Can't wait to see Mickey on the Vegas squad.
FYI- for those of you with access to ESPN, you can watch both of the summer league games through the ESPN app on ESPN3.
Marc D'Amico chimes in with a different perspective:
http://www.nba.com/celtics/news/sidebar/summer-post-070516-youthful-young-is-shooting-the-lights-out-in-utah/
James Young has been around for a while now and yet he still can't legally drink in Boston.
Edit: I should have read the article before writing that. I have been thinking the same thing though for the past couple of days.
Edit: I should have read the article before writing that. I have been thinking the same thing though for the past couple of days.
From that article (bolded added): "Young can also build off of the steps that he has taken at the defensive end of the court. Shrewsberry said that in many of the instances in which it appears that Young is in the wrong place, it is because he is overcompensating for his teammates’ defensive lapses. Young is in correct position more often than not, and he has shown the ability to defend at a high level when the ball is in his man’s hands."
I'll obviously trust Shrewsberry more than my limited watching but what I see is a guy who can't stay in front of his player. There were several instances where a person just went around him and he didn't have the lateral quickness to keep up.
I agree that he's putting effort into defending though.
His shot does look good.
Young has a $3M team option that has to be exercised by Halloween. My guess is that Danny is trying to spotlight the kid to see if he can get a heavily protected "1st round pick" for him...
Ainge and Stevens have schooled Shrewsberry well in Management Speak. I doubt he's fooling anyone who watches Young play while having a basic understanding of the NBA game.
Rozier looking good again in the early going here. Still explosive, active on the boards, and the handle looks even tighter. Best news is he's finishing very well, but then again, not much to stop him.
Young's activity is less than you would like. Got blocked trying to kiss it off the glass in transition as well.
Young's activity is less than you would like. Got blocked trying to kiss it off the glass in transition as well.
This is likely to be irrelevant to how he will turn out, but I feel like if Belichick were in the NBA he would have pulled Brown off his draft board entirely for his extra-basketball interests. But he plays with a fire that suggests he really is just a multi-passioned guy.
I obviously know nothing about hoops cause Murray looks like a way better prospect than Yabusele to me.
You can see Rozier improving every game. The way he moves sometimes reminds me, in all honesty, of Michael Jordan albeit 4 inches shorter. One of the isolation move jump shots he made tonight reminded me of PP and was something you don't usually see point guards doing. And the winning 3 pointer at the end - wow! I think his development makes Bradley expendable and a valuable trade chip to improve our frontcourt for someone like a Cauley-Stein
Yabusele is a better prospect for the Cs because he's going to be in France next season.
I don't believe this is necessarily true. There is a decent chance he signs with Boston.
Rozier looks like he aged five years, the good kind of aging, in the last three months. Most of last season he looked half out of control, during summer league at least he looks calm,cool, and collected.
I remember Olynyk (and others going at least as far back as Dee Brown) saying that at some point, the game "slowed down" considerably. All the learning of the first year clicked and things became easier, smoother, simpler. By all accounts of Rozier's play, this happened for him in the last few months.
We were discussing it last season on how far he came from the 2015 summer league to the present at that time. There was quite a progression in-season as well as leading up into this summer. He's reminding me in some ways of Reggie Jackson during his first couple OKC seasons. I loved his potential on draft night with the untapped upside that his athleticism provided him......now that he is harnessing his physical skills and applying them in a productive way on the court we should have a keeper here.
Summer league, where you can compare a mid first-round pick to Michael Jordan, and nobody bats an eye.
I understand your point however Rozier is clearly a different player this summer from last. Night and day.
I was just having a bit of fun. I am reasonably optimistic about Rozier actually. I stand by my Pat Beverley comparison for him.
Not to break the mood or anything, but the closest I have come to seeing Michael Jordan in another person's body was Reggie Lewis the night that he collapsed on the floor of the Garden. I was there. He was so brilliant that night, and then it was all over.
Really wish we had my guy here as our lead guard as much as I like Isaiah. Was at the game live and Dunn was scary good doing everything that the college defensive rules prevented him from doing. Pick pocketing Mudiay twice, knocking down 4-5 contested jumpers......sure hope Rubio is renting.
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Jaylen was my pick pre draft with Dunn a close second just because of the glut of guards on the Celtics roster. But Dunn looked really good there, I hope they didn't miss out on a star drafting for need.
Dunn looked like he was on a totally different level than Jamal Murray.
Dunn looked like he was on a totally different level than Jamal Murray.
Never want to look too much into summer league, but Buddy was 5-20 and a -18 against Ingram and the Lakers. I didn't see the game, but Ingrams box score looks solid.
Thon Maker 15/13 in his debut, but there was absolutely nobody on that Cleveland squad
Thon Maker 15/13 in his debut, but there was absolutely nobody on that Cleveland squad
Don't you have to keep in mind that Dunn is 3 years older than Murray and Jaylen Brown? What will those 2 do to summer league level competition in 3 years? Not taking anything away from Dunn, merely pointing out that at this point in his development curve, he should look pretty good against that kind of competition.
Absolutely, I think even Brown's most ardent supporters would concede that Dunn will be better over the next couple of years. While a rook he's six months older than Garry Harris, who will be entering this third year in the league and put up 22 and 2 years older than Mudiay who put up 23.
That being said, great start for Dunn. That double cross over that sent his defender to the floor was a thing of beauty.
I think age and experience is generally a good thing to keep in mind for SL, but it is encouraging that Dunn was doing this against Mudiay, who's pretty clearly an NBA-level athlete with strength and size for the position. Meanwhile we have people calling for Rozier to replace Bradley based on him taking it to the likes of TJ Mcconnell and Dejounte Murray. I definitely like what I see from Rozier so far (anyone else get a Tony Delk vibe from him?), but second-year first rounders should look good in summer league.
He was matched up against Mudiay, who was one of the leagues most promising PGs as a rookie, nearly the entire night. I'd say that bodes really well.
The two plays that sent the crowd nuts was the alley-oop on the games first possession and the crossover that left Sampson stumbling to the floor. Fun night! I'm gonna be sitting with his Dad on Monday so I'm sure I'll bring back some stories here. So very happy for this kid and he's such an awesome kid.
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