I don't think people mind trading redundancies. But to trade them all at once?You guys want to win the division, or build a farm system with three redundancies at every position?
I don't think people mind trading redundancies. But to trade them all at once?You guys want to win the division, or build a farm system with three redundancies at every position?
Yeah, like those stupid Cubs and Royals! How dumb to have multiple young options available at every position in case someone doesn't work out or gets hurt!You guys want to win the division, or build a farm system with three redundancies at every position?
Better than Chapman for sure, but only one of those guys has to work out for the Sox to get pantsed in the deal. I'm not eager to see the overlay of Kimbrel's hit charts on Fenway.Have to trust the talent evaluation. Not all of these guys are going to pan out. Don't love the deal but better than one year of Chapman if that was DD's alternative.
orsillo will know how to pronounce their names at least.If I'm San Diego I'm loving this deal.
Easily. They got a future quality outfielder, a SS with good defensive profile in Guerra, upside arm in Logan Allen and utilily guy in Asuaje.If I'm San Diego I'm loving this deal.
Are you serious? Craig Kimbrel is not BJ Ryan, and that's an atrocious use of emphasis.Yeah, like those stupid Cubs and Royals! How dumb to have multiple young options available at every position in case someone doesn't work out or gets hurt!
I equate this with the Jays' signing of BJ Ryan -- it's an overpay for an "established closer."
Which will cost a pick, right? (Making it harder to reload the now less deep farm)This is a really bad trade. Remove Guerra and I am alright with it (even though Margot and Allen is a lot to give up). Putting in all 3 of them is lunacy. This package should have been used for Quintana or a starter similar to that.
DDski just forced himself into signing one of Cueto, Greinke, or Price with this overpay
Should give them the edge if they have to play Pawtucket.Easily. They got a future quality outfielder, a SS with good defensive profile in Guerra, upside arm in Logan Allen and utilily guy in Asuaje.
Not with Cueto or PriceWhich will cost a pick, right? (Making it harder to reload the now less deep farm)
Take care not to light a match around the strawmen you're building.1. As usual, people on this board are ready to jump off the ledge because we have to give up value to get something. Too bad the Padres wouldn't take Wade Miley and a subsidized Rusney Castillo for Kimbrel.
2. Worth noting that for luxury tax purposes, which is really all that matters with regards to the Red Sox budget, Kimbrel comes in a little lower than his salaries over the next few seasons at $10.5 million.
3. Do people forget how terrible the bullpen was in 2015?
Yeah, apart from sticker shock I can talk myself into thinking like this. Margot was already producing in AA so we won't have to wait too long to see what he has, but Guerra was still pretty far away.Are you serious? Craig Kimbrel is not BJ Ryan, and that's an atrocious use of emphasis.
This one singular move turns the bullpen from a serious liability into a strength, so long as Farrell can play matchups correctly.
Margot is a nice piece, but there was a very non-zero chance he was ever going to play an inning for the major league squad, even less so for Guerra. The Sox still have a top notch farm squad, and now going to war with a less than stellar rotation is slightly less painful.
Sometimes, cashing in on prospects is the correct move.
If they offered this for a year of Chapman, then Dombrowski got bailed out by the Reds.I wonder if this was the package they offered for Chapman and this was the fallback position. Also does this man they are going after a free agent starter rather than one by trade?
Chapman is a free agent after the season so I can't imagine this package was offered for himI wonder if this was the package they offered for Chapman and this was the fallback position. Also does this man they are going after a free agent starter rather than one by trade?
And all they had to do was agree to pay Melvin Upton, Jr. $46 million. That's a steep price to pay to turn Matt Wisler and Jace Peterson into Manuel Margot and Javy Guerra. Just saying.
Good deal for both sides. Sox get an elite closer with 3 years of control and SD rebuilds their system. Margot and Guerra are both blocked and the other 2 are throw in lottery tickets. The prospect humpers are mad at giving up binkies I see. If this what it took for a closer, imagine the price tags for top starters in trade. Dave just traded from a position of strength to upgrade a part of the ML team which was atrocious last year.
I have no idea how you can compare signing a back up outfielder to giving up 4 legitimate prospects, 2 of which are top 50 guys, for a reliever marking market value.A lot of overreactions here. If they go out and sign one of the big reliever names then ink Price or Grenkie, this is a playoff contender. Was that a steep price to pay? Yeah. But dealing from a deep system to shore up the back of the pen early gives them some breathing room for the rest of winter.
This reminds me a little of signing Gomes early at an overpay in the 2012-2013 off season. Answer one of the big questions early to give yourself some room to operate in the rest of the off season.
They also prevented another team from sweeping in and stealing him away.
Exactly what I was thinking. And Margot is 21 with 6 homers in A+ and AA. MAYBE he has as good a career as Betts or Bradley has, but they didn't just trade Trout. I'm fine with this, and so will most everyone be if they have success with him. Kimbrell is a guy you can win with. And the farm ain't empty.That being said kimbrell and uehara at the back of the bullpen is huge
I agree with this. Tazawa-Uehara-Kimbrel is pretty damn solidGood deal for both sides. Sox get an elite closer with 3 years of control and SD rebuilds their system. Margot and Guerra are both blocked and the other 2 are throw in lottery tickets. The prospect humpers are mad at giving up binkies I see. If this what it took for a closer, imagine the price tags for top starters in trade. Dave just traded from a position of strength to upgrade a part of the ML team which was atrocious last year.
Ouch. Longtime lurker, first time burn. I'll take that.Take care not to light a match around the strawmen you're building.
No, it doesn't turn the bullpen into a strength.Are you serious? Craig Kimbrel is not BJ Ryan, and that's an atrocious use of emphasis.
This one singular move turns the bullpen from a serious liability into a strength, so long as Farrell can play matchups correctly.
Margot is a nice piece, but there was a very non-zero chance he was ever going to play an inning for the major league squad, even less so for Guerra. The Sox still have a top notch farm squad, and now going to war with a less than stellar rotation is slightly less painful.
Sometimes, cashing in on prospects is the correct move.
Not to mention Robbie Ross Jr. who turned himself into a pretty decent LH option in the late innings last season.I agree with this. Tazawa-Uehara-Kimbrel is pretty damn solid
They should still be in on O'Day. That would make for one deep back end.I agree with this. Tazawa-Uehara-Kimbrel is pretty damn solid
Wait, who had Guerra as a top 50 guy? He's #76 at mlb.com. He wasn't on BA's midseason top 50. Was it BP or Law?I have no idea how you can compare signing a back up outfielder to giving up 4 legitimate prospects, 2 of which are top 50 guys, for a reliever marking market value.
It makes it so Layne and Ross aren't forced into bad matchups.No, it doesn't turn the bullpen into a strength.
Because relievers are volatile. No single reliever would be able to turn last season's dumpster fire into a strength, even a great one like Kimbrel.
This trade might bring the pen up to average, though, assuming Taz doesn't decline further.