Wander Franco Is In Trouble (Grooming/Pedo Warning)

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She is obviously underage? I chose not to go digging for photos. If it's obvious, then fine, case closed. Also that wasn't the question I was originally responding to.
What you have been replying too has been about his possible confusion of age of consent. And you have been defending that by stating he could have been confused about what age is legal. And yet you can "Empathize"? With what exactly can you emphasize? Please explain.
 

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What you have been replying too has been about his possible confusion of age of consent. And you have been defending that by stating he could have been confused about what age is legal. And yet you can "Empathize"? With what exactly can you emphasize? Please explain.
Wrong, I was replying to a question about the girl's parents' consent. Where did I say he was confused about the law?
 

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I lived in a foreign country, I can empathize with anyone doing this, especially as a teenager. I found it bewildering and I came from the rich white world. I also have a 19 year old son and feel comfortable saying they don't make the best decisions, even before you introduce millions of dollars. I don't think it's insulting to ask questions. It might not be a simple case at all, and both people have rights.
I'm not sure where you're coming up with this "Wander Franco as Prince Akeem" angle, but this didn't happen in some overwhelming new foreign country to the poor rube. It happened in his native Dominican Republic.

EDIT: This was covered since I refreshed the page.
 

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Oh, OK, I assumed it was in the US. Point for you.
Then what are you actually trying to defend? Still not clear on that part, besides it's sounding incredibly bizarre that you can see where he might have been confused about her age. I'm not trying to be snarky, its just you have provided a really weird defense of this situation.
 

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Then what are you actually trying to defend? Still not clear on that part, besides it's sounding incredibly bizarre that you can see where he might have been confused about her age. I'm not trying to be sparky, its just you have provided a really weird defense of this situation.
People need to stop fucking white knighting is what needs to happen. Nobody here is defending pedos.
 

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Some details I don't think we had here yet in a new Athletic story:

"Franco denied the allegations in a live Instagram video on Sunday.

When the social media posts became viral on Sunday, Franco shot his Instagram video inside the Rays clubhouse roughly an hour before the game started, sources briefed on the matter said. The livestream featured teammate Jose Siri in the background, yelling in Spanish that the allegations stemmed from “people after money.”

Sources briefed on the matter said the team was not aware of the video or any of the allegations until they spread around social media. When that happened Sunday, both Franco and the team agreed he shouldn’t go on the team flight to the West Coast that night."

https://theathletic.com/4776043/2023/08/14/wander-franco-tampa-bays-rays-investigation/
 

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Some details I don't think we had here yet in a new Athletic story:

"Franco denied the allegations in a live Instagram video on Sunday.

When the social media posts became viral on Sunday, Franco shot his Instagram video inside the Rays clubhouse roughly an hour before the game started, sources briefed on the matter said. The livestream featured teammate Jose Siri in the background, yelling in Spanish that the allegations stemmed from “people after money.”

Sources briefed on the matter said the team was not aware of the video or any of the allegations until they spread around social media. When that happened Sunday, both Franco and the team agreed he shouldn’t go on the team flight to the West Coast that night."

https://theathletic.com/4776043/2023/08/14/wander-franco-tampa-bays-rays-investigation/
Dude shot his video in the clubhouse? Maybe he’s not the smartest thinker.
 

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Jose Siri was dancing in the background of the video. Not a good look when you’re trying to deny statutory rape allegations.
I'm sure Siri was told someone was trying to do some bullshit blackmail of him so he threw in his comments in the background. I bet he's not thrilled that he was in the video with what he knows now.

Speaking of what we know. So there are pics on social media of them together but is that it? I would assume if they had a relationship there is going to be a massive digital trail. If the only evidence is the pics on Instagram what happens? Does it become a Watson situation where nothing can be proven and then he's back in a year? I guess I'm getting way ahead, because I'm sure tons more will come out in the next few days.
 

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I'm sure Siri was told someone was trying to do some bullshit blackmail of him so he threw in his comments in the background. I bet he's not thrilled that he was in the video with what he knows now.

Speaking of what we know. So there are pics on social media of them together but is that it? I would assume if they had a relationship there is going to be a massive digital trail. If the only evidence is the pics on Instagram what happens? Does it become a Watson situation where nothing can be proven and then he's back in a year? I guess I'm getting way ahead, because I'm sure tons more will come out in the next few days.
Watson had 22 accusers (and I believe all were adults so had the right to give consent but I believe none did)

this is, at least now, a much different situation.
 

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Franco allegedly has been in the relationship since he was 17.

That would have made her 12 or 13.
 

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Watson had 22 accusers (and I believe all were adults so had the right to give consent but I believe none did)

this is, at least now, a much different situation.
Oh I agree it's completely different and it would seem that there is going to be a wave of evidence to show what he did. I just remember thinking it was clear Watson's career was over and he was probably going to jail and then someone he comes out with the most guaranteed money ever.

It seems like top level talents almost NEVER gets consequences.
 

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Seems MLB has a slightly higher moral code than the NFL. Domestic violence cases are usually 80 games right? And guys like Bauer get blackballed, again unlike the NFL.
 

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Seems MLB has a slightly higher moral code than the NFL. Domestic violence cases are usually 80 games right? And guys like Bauer get blackballed, again unlike the NFL.
And you can’t get into the HOF if you gamble on your sport or do steroids (2nd part is a joke)
 

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Since when are we not allowed to discuss "non-sports stuff" in the sports forums? That happens daily. It's personal politics that rightly gets locked in V&N. I guess if some poster comes out as pro-statutory rape we'll have to move the thread.
Ask Dogman or Nip. I linked a friendly reminder that Aaron Rodgers is not too big on vaccination in the Jets thread (the "I'm immunized" incident, which he uttered during the season at an NFL press conference) and got a two-day time out for it.

If there's consistency, I don't see it. And no, I won't explore further or postulate as to why it's inconsistent.

Anyways, rape, pedophilia, and grooming is bad. On this we all agree.
 
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Ask Dogman or Nip. I linked a friendly reminder that Aaron Rodgers is not too big on vaccination in the Jets thread (the "I'm immunized" incident, which he uttered during the season at an NFL press conference) and got a two-day time out for it.

If there's consistency, I don't see it. And no, I won't explore further or postulate as to why it's inconsistent.

Anyways, rape, pedophilia, and grooming is bad. On this we all agree.
I got 4 days just for replying to you.

The point isn't that we can't speak off topic. It's that we don't bring political/controversial shit into it.

We're all adults. I don't think we need it explicitly spelled out what topics we should keep in V&N.
 

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Ask Dogman or Nip. I linked a friendly reminder that Aaron Rodgers is not too big on vaccination in the Jets thread (the "I'm immunized" incident, which he uttered during the season at an NFL press conference) and got a two-day time out for it.

If there's consistency, I don't see it. And no, I won't explore further or postulate as to why it's inconsistent.

Anyways, rape, pedophilia, and grooming is bad. On this we all agree.
I can't find the offending post. Was it deleted by @Dogman or @AlNipper49 ? Your use of the phrase "friendly reminder" makes me think this was not part of the ongoing discussion and possibly just a shot at his personal beliefs. If so, then this seems like a clear violation of the no politics rule. Hard to say without seeing the actual post.
 

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https://x.com/hgomez27/status/1691267599168929792?s=46&t=xxvZTMezWkaSiYKGpP6ffg


“The Attorney General of the Dominican Republic says that there is a complaint filed by a minor against Wander Franco.

According to the Attorney General of the DR, it's another young woman, not the one on social media, per @DiarioLibre / @AlertasMundial.”
FWIW, that’s a baseball reporter reporting on a Tweet from what appears not to be a news organization but rather one of those “News Alert!” accounts that just Tweets out news; it has a PayPal account listed for anyone who wants to support it.

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FWIW, that’s a baseball reporter reporting on a Tweet from what appears not to be a news organization but rather one of those “News Alert!” accounts that just Tweets out news; it has a PayPal account listed for anyone who wants to support it.

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Gomez QT’d the aggregator but the report itself is from Diario Libre, a Dominican newspaper.

https://www.diariolibre.com/deportes/beisbol/2023/08/14/la-pgr-confirma-existe-querella-contra-wander-franco/2431951
 

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Those charges were filed July 17th by a then 17 year old, according to the article.
 

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Those charges were filed July 17th by a then 17 year old, according to the article.
My Spanish is rusty but I believe the report actually says according to a source at the AG’s office there is an investigation of a complaint from a different minor. Not that the AG his/herself said that there is an investigation (as the Gomez tweet suggests)?

Also no idea how reliable “Diario Libre” is. “Listín Diario” is the oldest/most reliable in the DR I believe.
 

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My Spanish is rusty but I believe the report actually says according to a source at the AG’s office there is an investigation of a complaint from a different minor. Not that the AG his/herself said that there is an investigation (as the Gomez tweet suggests)?

Also no idea how reliable “Diario Libre” is. “Listín Diario” is the oldest/most reliable in the DR I believe.
The article says the source from the AG states they’re in the middle of an investigation - y la misma está en pleno proceso de investigación.
 

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As far as MLB players go, Felipe Vazquez is currently doing two to four years in prison due to a sexual relationship he had with a 13 year old girl.
 

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As far as MLB players go, Felipe Vazquez is currently doing two to four years in prison due to a sexual relationship he had with a 13 year old girl.
As discussed in the first 10 posts of this thread.
 

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Is that worded odd to anyone else? Are the Rays not also doing due diligence or are all such things only handled by the league?
It’s always best to investigate matters such as this outside the chain of command. Most companies don’t have the capability to outsource this kind of investigation to an entity analogous to MLB, but where that option exists, I think it’s better than having the Rays’ HR department investigate.
 

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I wonder if this move by the Rays is connected, very unusual for someone to jump from high A to AAA like this:

"20-year-old Carson Williams is jumping from High-A to Triple-A. The Rays promoted MLB's No. 19 overall prospect after he posted an .865 OPS through 88 games this year. More on the power-hitting shortstop: https://atmlb.com/45aD2vp "
 

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I wonder if this move by the Rays is connected, very unusual for someone to jump from high A to AAA like this:

"20-year-old Carson Williams is jumping from High-A to Triple-A. The Rays promoted MLB's No. 19 overall prospect after he posted an .865 OPS through 88 games this year. More on the power-hitting shortstop: https://atmlb.com/45aD2vp "
It's unusual for someone who isn't organizational filler. I could see them bringing up JAGs if there were a roster shortage at AAA (The WooSox did this mid-year) - but not a highly rated prospect. So, I agree, something seems afoot.
 

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Very interesting that he’s leapfrogging their #1 prospect, Junior Caminero, who is also a 20 yr old shortstop and has been tearing up AA. Maybe Junior is going to get called straight up to the show when Wander gets officially kicked to the curb next week.
 

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View: https://twitter.com/mikedeportes/status/1691554070610268380


This update from earlier today makes this situation look even worse. There are apparently more minors involved.
Diario Libre is a Dominican newspaper. Circulation 150,000, per Wikipedia. No idea if that’s a little or a lot. There’s not much written in English about Diario Libre, but certainly nothing that would cause me to question its credibility, and of course Rodriguez citing it carries some weight. Long story short, this seems like a credible report.
 

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Very interesting that he’s leapfrogging their #1 prospect, Junior Caminero, who is also a 20 yr old shortstop and has been tearing up AA. Maybe Junior is going to get called straight up to the show when Wander gets officially kicked to the curb next week.
Camerino isn't going to be a full time SS at the MLB level; he may get some time there, but he's more of a 3B than a SS.

It is a very weird move, particularly as Williams has been a guy the Rays have been very slow and deliberate in developing. Him being promoted this aggressively in light of the Franco situation is definitely a major eyebrow raiser and I can't help but think it has to be related.