Right, Redick came to mind due to the shooting aspect.
However, Steph Curry only got better as a pro. Hope that is how it turns out for Clark.
The WNBA: Thread II
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However, Steph Curry only got better as a pro. Hope that is how it turns out for Clark.
True but I think it’s less likely. It’s a much shallower pool and Clark was so dominant. It would be like Larry Bird failing in the NBA.
All true. But the argument that she might not be CAITLIN CLARK in the WNBA is that virtually every player she goes up against will be far better than virtually everyone she went up against in college (and she was a mediocre defender at best in college and is going to get absolutely abused in the WNBA, barring some serious improvement on that end - which, by the way, she's probably capable of). And she might not have the same level of freedom to just gun from everywhere on the court when someone like Aliyah Boston is calling for the ball in the post. A WNBA team might not be too interested in Clark going 17-46 (36%) like she did against UConn and South Carolina (teams with WNBA talent) in the Final Four.
Personally I think she'll be more than fine and will adjust her game accordingly, but the above ^ is the argument against her being as successful in the WNBA as she was in college.
Basically that while she was very good, half the WNBA were similar level talents in college. It's an incredibly small league with a ton of talent. Clark has been amazing, but she's not the best college player of the last decade, maybe the best scorer, but her all around game isn't at the level of Stewart, Moore, etc. The player whose scoring record she broke this year is Kelsey Plum... a very good player but also one who took 6 years to make a WNBA all-star team and didn't break 10 ppg until her 4th season. Going from college to the WNBA is as hard (maybe harder) than the college to NBA transition. The talent concentration gets much tighter. Like some of the top 15 picks in this year's draft.... might not make a roster, that's how tight it is right now.
Clark will probably end up a star scorer in the WNBA, maybe even quickly, but also... maybe not? She'll face much better talent than she ever has, and they'll all be experienced pros.
I can see that. She will have to adjust to not be as much of a gunner, as that won’t fly on a team with better talent. I could also see players “getting up” to guard her to take her down a . While the attention on her is good for the sport, I’m sure it has created some jealousy.
Athletically, how does she compare? About average? Below average?
Caitlin Clark is a point guard. She's Sue Bird with a better shot. I think the WNBA will showcase her passing and court vision in addition to her shooting. Against UConn, she had a quickness that enabled her drives to the basket, so I think she'll adjust well to the speed of the pro game. The only concern would be her defense, but I don't think it's going to matter. The Fever is a great spot for Clark as they already have Kelsey Mitchell and Aliyah Boston. Her skills will make the other players better.
I don't watch as much WNBA as some here, but my sense would be, slightly below average. There are players in the league who are there because of extreme athleticism, who don't have her shot or her creative court vision. The frontcourt players generally all dominated college like adults playing with children. Some guards are there for defense and hustle.
I wouldn't say she's outclassed, but the athleticism of the opposition and their willingness to defend her really energetically, will take some getting used to. When Sue Bird and Diana Taurasi joined the league, the talent wasn't at the same level. The WNBA was the same size it is today, but the investment in college WBB wasn't nearly as substantial. Now college has outpaced the pros in terms of generating talent for the last decade plus, concentrating the talent and raising the floor, and while they might be about to expand, it hasn't happened yet.
Had no idea Mark Davis had poured this kind of money into the LV Aces. That's awesome.
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That looks palatial.
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I've seen many people talk about how Mark Davis got a great deal by buying the Las Vegas Aces for $2 million.
And he did — but Davis also invested heavily in the franchise, spending $40 million to build the first-ever practice facility exclusively used by a WNBA team.
• 64,000-square feet
• Two full basketball courts
• Locker room & weight room
• Infrared sauna, plunge pools & cryo chamber
Facilities like this really set a WNBA team apart, as the league's collective bargaining agreement has hard salary cap rules, making it so teams can't recruit free agents with higher salaries or private air travel.
And when you add in the fact that Davis brought Becky Hammon over from the San Antonio Spurs, paying her a record-breaking $1 million annual salary, it's no secret why the Las Vegas Aces have won back-to-back championships.
Davis also recently added Tom Brady as an investor.
So, yes, Mark Davis got a good deal and will make a ton of money on the team, especially considering WNBA expansion fees have already reached $50 million.
But it wasn't luck — he invested tens of millions of dollars in the franchise, hired the best people, and made Vegas the league's top free-agency destination.
That's a winning formula.
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I've seen many people talk about how Mark Davis got a great deal by buying the Las Vegas Aces for $2 million.
And he did — but Davis also invested heavily in the franchise, spending $40 million to build the first-ever practice facility exclusively used by a WNBA team.
• 64,000-square feet
• Two full basketball courts
• Locker room & weight room
• Infrared sauna, plunge pools & cryo chamber
Facilities like this really set a WNBA team apart, as the league's collective bargaining agreement has hard salary cap rules, making it so teams can't recruit free agents with higher salaries or private air travel.
And when you add in the fact that Davis brought Becky Hammon over from the San Antonio Spurs, paying her a record-breaking $1 million annual salary, it's no secret why the Las Vegas Aces have won back-to-back championships.
Davis also recently added Tom Brady as an investor.
So, yes, Mark Davis got a good deal and will make a ton of money on the team, especially considering WNBA expansion fees have already reached $50 million.
But it wasn't luck — he invested tens of millions of dollars in the franchise, hired the best people, and made Vegas the league's top free-agency destination.
That's a winning formula.
That looks palatial.
Shooting like that makes her quicker. She has such range the D has to be in her grill from halfcourt on so she gets a lot of blow bys. There has been lots of talk in the wnba
That teh Star let that guy publish the equivalent of Reddit rants about the Patriots for years probably had him feeling he was bullet proof.
Clark played a bit better in the second half than she did in the first. although she had five turnovers in each half. She threw a number of passes early that looked like she wasn't yet completely used to the fact that the WNBA defenders are quicker and have a longer reach than the ones she faced in college.
A new record for turnovers in a debut!
She'll figure it out.
The Golden State expansion franchise will be The Valkyries.
She'll figure it out.
The Golden State expansion franchise will be The Valkyries.
I tuned in for the 1H expecting Steph Curry but instead I got Jordan Poole. I figured she’d adjust from that performance and from what some have said it looks like she did a little in the 2H.
She’s not playing against teenagers anymore. These are tough, grown-ass women. The athleticism, power, quickness, game smarts of the perimeter defenders who harassed her all night were light years ahead of what Clark faced in college.
she did better off the ball, her shots fell on catch snd shoot plays off screens. When she was trying to create she struggled. CT threw bodies at her and she didn’t take care of the ball.
she contributed little defensively.
Of course it’s only one game. It also must be kept in mind that she’s coming straight off a full college season plus tournament whereas the veteran players are fresh. And CT is a much better team than the Fever, 1 thru 5 plus bench.
But it was a real welcome-to-the-show-kid kind of game, complete with getting knocked on her ass a few times.
she did better off the ball, her shots fell on catch snd shoot plays off screens. When she was trying to create she struggled. CT threw bodies at her and she didn’t take care of the ball.
she contributed little defensively.
Of course it’s only one game. It also must be kept in mind that she’s coming straight off a full college season plus tournament whereas the veteran players are fresh. And CT is a much better team than the Fever, 1 thru 5 plus bench.
But it was a real welcome-to-the-show-kid kind of game, complete with getting knocked on her ass a few times.
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She will be fine but shot 5-15 and had 10 turnovers and couldn’t play a lick of defense against WNBA players.
Taurasi got roasted for her comments but she was 100% right that there will be a period of adjustment for Clark at this level.
It in the end, she will be really good.
I dunno. (Based on that game, unfair to her, but still) She's as likely to be Redick as she is Allen
The other thing is that there is clearly a lot of built up resentment towards her among some players so she’s going to get everybody’s best effort. She dealt with this in college so now it’s just about adjusting to the size and speed difference.
Instantly top 3 name in the league.
Indiana could perhaps consider renaming themselves to something besides a disease symptom.
I don't get it, people were ragging on Bill Simmons for his WNBA naming takes but love that Golden State will basically be the Lady Warriors. (Tongue firmly in cheek, this is a creative name to keep the same motif but not just Lady ______.)
There was one play in particular where she drove to the basket, a CT player saw her coming, and just completely laid her out where I was like "Oh, damn. She got her money's worth on that foul."
Probably thinking of the same one.
It was her struggles against the Sun perimeter defenders that really stood out to me. They kept throwing different players and different looks at her. Few of the teams that Clark faced in college had even one player that good defensively, taking into account everything- height, length, quickness, and obviously strength, smarts and experience.
I think she will adapt- she just seemed surprised by the pace. She won’t be for long.
Pretty wild. At least success now breeds a following.
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Agreed. As soon as I heard it, I thought, "How the heck did no other franchise think of that before?" They'll probably come out to Wagner, or use it to pump up the crowd in key moments.
I didn't see this mentioned: the other team joining in 2026 (besides the NorCal Valkyries) will be a Toronto team.
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What we know:
- Teresa Resch will lead the franchise.
- Team to play at Coca-Cola Coliseum.
- First season to start 2026 season.
- Any potential conflict with FIFA 2026 has been resolved.
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What we know:
- Teresa Resch will lead the franchise.
- Team to play at Coca-Cola Coliseum.
- First season to start 2026 season.
- Any potential conflict with FIFA 2026 has been resolved.
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Their end-of-season party for season ticket holders will be called Götterdämmerung.
Saw the second half of NYL-IND tonight. Liberty just brutalized the Fever, 102-66, and it really wasn't even that close.
9 points for Clark on 2-8 shooting. 6 assists to 3 turnovers was an improvement. She fouled out.
Again, Clark just could not turn the corner when she tried to drive - every time she was met and cut off by one or two very large bodies. She got knocked sprawling into the photographers a couple of times. Boston, too, was beat up in the low post by the Liberty bigs.
A little tough on the Fever to start them at CT and then with a home-and-home with NYL. Maybe the league wanted to show of their new box office draw with marquee matchups, but those are ferocious defensive teams.
9 points for Clark on 2-8 shooting. 6 assists to 3 turnovers was an improvement. She fouled out.
Again, Clark just could not turn the corner when she tried to drive - every time she was met and cut off by one or two very large bodies. She got knocked sprawling into the photographers a couple of times. Boston, too, was beat up in the low post by the Liberty bigs.
A little tough on the Fever to start them at CT and then with a home-and-home with NYL. Maybe the league wanted to show of their new box office draw with marquee matchups, but those are ferocious defensive teams.