How much will Rozier play if this team drafts Fultz? I'm not asking that in a "he's never going to play!" way.
Great point on the Simmons fake trade. I just don't see how making a division rival (the Sixers) better helps the Celtics compete for championships. The Sixers would be getting the best individual player in the deal, a player that fits perfectly with that team needs.
I'm glad Simmons isn't the Celtics GM.
This is a product of Fultz HAVING to work to make his high school teams and like Jordan, he didn't make his HS varsity team as a sophomore. He failed, he worked and he made his team as a junior then began making a name for himself the following summer which set him up for a great senior season. I love the late bloomers as the work ethic learned from failing are habits that serve them well into their professional careers. It's why I LOVE having someone like Jaylen having to earn his minutes until guys of past years like Antoine and Ron Mercer who were gifted 35 mpg from Day One.....what is the motivation to work when you're a young kid thinking he's already made it? I remember Antoine during his second NBA season following being named to the All-Star team referring to himself as a "veteran All-Star." We won't have to worry about that with Jaylen and Fultz.
Avery figures to be the odd man out with his enormous contract coming due next year so if he is moved this summer then Rozier's 17 mpg shouldn't be affected at all......it could actually INCREASE as Fultz won't be ready to play all of Avery's minutes out of the gate. If we keep all 5 guards you are going to have some really unhappy campers with these guys approaching FA. Something has to give and it's most likely Avery.
Taking it even further, if they're able to sign Hayward, you'd have 8 capable guys looking to split 144 minutes.
I think Celtics fans will be disappointed in the return on Crowder who most teams will view as a 2nd unit guy unless he lands on a lottery team. I don't give us much chance of signing Hayward, certainly less than most posters here, but if we did get him then Crowder wouldn't be a happy camper as his comments/actions showed the last time Utah came to town and fans cheered Gordon.
Agreed. I think both Bradley and Crowder would/will yield less than we feel they're "worth". More than likely, Hayward stays in Utah and Crowder hangs on. Don't really see any scenario where it makes sense to retain Bradley. Even if IT is on the shelf for a bit to start next season, you'd still have Smart, Rozier, Fultz, and Brown to handle the backcourt minutes.
I think that Crowder is more likely to start alongside Hayward than be replaced by him, particularly if Ainge has to jettison the other bigs (Johnson, Olynyk, Jerebko, Zeller, Mickey) to clear the cap space to sign him and then drafts a guard like Fultz.
I posted awhile ago Crowder's length disadvantage against nearly all of his counterparts at the 3, some by as much as 5-6 inches. Starting him at the 4 is pretty insane as he'd then be going up against 4's in some cases 8-10" of length advantage on him. Can't imagine that is even a consideration. He's a nice stretch 4 with a smallball second unit however against starting 4's he can't physically compete against too many of them as the 4/5's are often interchangeable.
I think the smallball second unit will include Crowder or Hayward, not both of them together.
You mentioned starting both though which is what I was referring to the struggles Crowder and our frontcourt would face in that scenario.
I know. While you're worried about Crowder's lack of size, I was trying to suggest that the pairing of him with Hayward would be one of our bigger lineups. Smallball units would only feature one of them with an even smaller partner, such as Brown.
, I'd say that this trade makes a lot of sense for the Celtics if they see Ball and Jackson at almost the same level as Fultz. Saric emerged this year, the Lakers pick is probably lottery though hard to tell where. But if they think Fultz is head and shoulders above the rest, then Danny should try to get the superstar, agreed.
Holy cow, what an idea. I have not seen a discussion about this proposal before!A trade idea I've seen bandied about a few times: (1) Sixers get this year's #1 (2) Celtics get this year's #3, Saric, and next year's Lakers first round pick, unrestricted. Before anyone craps on this
While I love what they all bring, Marcus Smart, Terry Rozier and Avery Bradley are not legitimate reasons to avoid the #1 pick. Especially since two of three are about to be making between 2-3x as much as Fultz. I mean yeah I guess it would be nice if we lucked into the #1 during AD's draft to perfectly solve all our issues, but this guy is supposed to be the real deal. When Danny feels that we're close, I'm confident he'll find someone like JaVale to solve our rebounding and defensive issues.
Calling him "a bad fit for this roster" is ridiculous. What kind of deference does Celtics' management owe to a roster that was routed in the ECF, and, had it miraculously managed to advance, would have been routed in the finals, too?
Yes, I've been following it from the first post. I know there's been talk about Saric + #3 for the Celtics #1, and packages like Saric + #3 and some restricted picks, but I have not seen (1) This particular trade proposal (if it's somewhere upthread and I just overlooked, apologies) (2) This particular proposal as something that's come up in a couple of places outside of this forum. But if everyone's tired of talking about potential Saric/Philly trades, that's fine -- I just thought it was interesting I've seen this trade idea twice now, outside of Sons of Sam Horn.
If Ainge and his staff determine that Fultz is enough of a "real deal," they should draft him. I'm not sold yet.
Yeah, I've heard these and many other arguments from folks who think Fultz is fabulous. From the film I've watched he's a mixed bag, never mind the potential knee issues. He looked good against Yale (no great feat, never mind that Washington lost the game) but he played the game of his life later vs. Colorado. He was terrible against Cal. In his defense, he showed improvement later in the season, even though Washington lost its last 7 games.
The upgrades to the front court would be via trading the pick. I'm not a big fan of Markkanen or Collins either. Markkanen looks like a one-trick pony and Collins needs another year at Gonzaga. I'm a huge fan of Frank Ntilikina, but he doesn't solve your front court problem any more than Fultz does.
The team's biggest need is stars, not roleplayers. They can always sign more roleplayers.
Who is this rebounding rim protector who is available via trade that would truly change this teams chances?
There are only so many bigs that provide defense, rebounding, and the offensive versatility, passing, and perimeter shooting the Celtics would need from a big. It's a tiny list of guys who likely aren't even available.
Well sure. But it would be nice to at least provide some names of players you think are worthy of trading the number one pick. None of us know who is truly available, but just stating that they should trade the pick for a rim protector doesn't really help foster any conversation.
Dude, you need to stop with this. You're advocating a strategy that the current people in charge of the Celtics don't adhere to.
It is a shame that Boogie turned out to be a head case, because he would belong on this list also. (And TBH, I would still consider trying to get him if it could be done more cheaply than the #1. )
and the Celtics can't afford that price even if they wanted to. What do you think the price is for AD, KAT, Jokic and Giannis? Jokic and Towns also don't really provide defense but I guess they could improve on that end.
Agreed. I think there's a set of fans who still view the NBA through a 1980s lens and want size, and another set who think the guys here now are all staying and represent 'the core' and only want pieces that fit around them.
The only reason the pick was sold that cheaply is because the team moving it had a GOAT candidate on their roster.
